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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From back a couple of posts:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;MM: When someone is obliged to tell a reporter that he or she has been picked up on a wiretap…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Huh??? Did that make sense to anyone??]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That wouldn’t be ostentation by Mukasey purported to show that the administration is serious about minimization, would it? I’d better not posit that based on a statement that I find inscrutable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From back a couple of posts:</p>
<blockquote><p>MM: When someone is obliged to tell a reporter that he or she has been picked up on a wiretap…</p>
<p>[Huh??? Did that make sense to anyone??]</p>
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<p>That wouldn’t be ostentation by Mukasey purported to show that the administration is serious about minimization, would it? I’d better not posit that based on a statement that I find inscrutable.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Think Progress is usually better than this.  Satyam says at 8.20 pm that “Rove denies any involvement in Siegelman scandal”.  And they are among the reportial elite.  So what is the MSM saying?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thinkprogress.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think EW has made abundantly clear that drawing blanket conclusions about what Karl Rove says is not the correct way to interpret his statements.  Or those of anyone speaking on behalf of this administration at any time.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rove said that he did not communicate with “Department of Justice or Alabama officials” or ask others to communicate on his behalf, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;about the investigation, indictment, potential prosecution, prosecution, conviction, or sentencing of Governor Siegelman.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That leaves a lot of people he could have talked to, including national, state and local Republican Party officials, their lobbyists, organizers, consultants and fund raisers.  Rove could also have spoken to almost everyone in the federal government other than those employed by the DOJ.  Moreover, it’s not clear who Rove means when he refers to, “Alabama officials”.  He could mean state, county or local “officials”; it probably depends on who’s asking.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rove could also have talked to anybody, “DOJ and Alabama officials” included, about things other than the listed items referring to “Governor Siegelman”.  The way Rove uses language, he could have talked about “former Governor Siegelman”, about Democratic governors or competitors generally, the list is endless. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rove’s careful parsing also doesn’t address the, “Who will rid me of this priest” problem, which has been around since Henry II had that tiff with Archbishop Becket.  Those in power, those in thrall to “needful things”, play rhetorical games.  One is to lament a problem without asking anyone to fix it.  Old hands, ambitious acolytes, would be insiders who want to make their bones know what to do without being asked.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think Progress is usually better than this.  Satyam says at 8.20 pm that “Rove denies any involvement in Siegelman scandal”.  And they are among the reportial elite.  So what is the MSM saying?</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/</a></p>
<p>I think EW has made abundantly clear that drawing blanket conclusions about what Karl Rove says is not the correct way to interpret his statements.  Or those of anyone speaking on behalf of this administration at any time.  </p>
<p>Rove said that he did not communicate with “Department of Justice or Alabama officials” or ask others to communicate on his behalf, </p>
<blockquote><p>about the investigation, indictment, potential prosecution, prosecution, conviction, or sentencing of Governor Siegelman.</p>
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<p>That leaves a lot of people he could have talked to, including national, state and local Republican Party officials, their lobbyists, organizers, consultants and fund raisers.  Rove could also have spoken to almost everyone in the federal government other than those employed by the DOJ.  Moreover, it’s not clear who Rove means when he refers to, “Alabama officials”.  He could mean state, county or local “officials”; it probably depends on who’s asking.  </p>
<p>Rove could also have talked to anybody, “DOJ and Alabama officials” included, about things other than the listed items referring to “Governor Siegelman”.  The way Rove uses language, he could have talked about “former Governor Siegelman”, about Democratic governors or competitors generally, the list is endless. </p>
<p>Rove’s careful parsing also doesn’t address the, “Who will rid me of this priest” problem, which has been around since Henry II had that tiff with Archbishop Becket.  Those in power, those in thrall to “needful things”, play rhetorical games.  One is to lament a problem without asking anyone to fix it.  Old hands, ambitious acolytes, would be insiders who want to make their bones know what to do without being asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We can talk about these documents in more detail in comments (and I’ll post a &lt;strong&gt;timeline&lt;/strong&gt; in a follow-up post).
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Woo-hoo!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We can talk about these documents in more detail in comments (and I’ll post a <strong>timeline</strong> in a follow-up post).
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<p>Woo-hoo!!</p>
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		<title>By: fast2write</title>
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		<dc:creator>fast2write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And, here’s the exclusive interview with Jill Simpson and Scott Horton in response…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.locustfork.net/2008/07/23/jill-simpson-responds-to-karl-rove-denial/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More Spin On the Political Prosecution of Don Siegelman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the newest member of the Liberal Blog Hive, even though we should have been in it three years ago:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Locust Fork News and Journal&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://locustfork.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://locustfork.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.locustfork.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.locustfork.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, here’s the exclusive interview with Jill Simpson and Scott Horton in response…</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.locustfork.net/2008/07/23/jill-simpson-responds-to-karl-rove-denial/" rel="nofollow">More Spin On the Political Prosecution of Don Siegelman</a></p>
<p>From the newest member of the Liberal Blog Hive, even though we should have been in it three years ago:</p>
<p>The Locust Fork News and Journal<br /><a href="http://locustfork.net/" rel="nofollow">http://locustfork.net/</a><br /><a href="http://blog.locustfork.net/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.locustfork.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup. If we can use it to pressure him, all the better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. If we can use it to pressure him, all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh, well I suppose it is hard to waive something you never had…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, I hereby rephrase to “waiver of what Gooper morans and stoopid Big Media think has been asserted”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That work?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, well I suppose it is hard to waive something you never had…</p>
<p>Okay, I hereby rephrase to “waiver of what Gooper morans and stoopid Big Media think has been asserted”.</p>
<p>That work?</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But as I said, that was all Rove was ever shooting for, particularly in recent days. So there is no waiver of anything Rove hadn’t already ceded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.</p>
<p>But as I said, that was all Rove was ever shooting for, particularly in recent days. So there is no waiver of anything Rove hadn’t already ceded.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, well, see I refuse to accept that as a privilege, much less a valid one, and certainly not as to a guy that is not only no longer employed by the Executive, but doesn’t seem to have any job at all other than going on the TeeVee and running his yap about the subject he supposedly can’t discuss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If there is any validity whatsoever to the “doesn’t have to appear at all privilege/immunity” (and I fully assert there is none whatsoever), then it is rooted in the concept that the critical Executive personnel are too busy with critical work on the nation’s business to take time out to appear.  That simply does not, and cannot, apply here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well, see I refuse to accept that as a privilege, much less a valid one, and certainly not as to a guy that is not only no longer employed by the Executive, but doesn’t seem to have any job at all other than going on the TeeVee and running his yap about the subject he supposedly can’t discuss.</p>
<p>If there is any validity whatsoever to the “doesn’t have to appear at all privilege/immunity” (and I fully assert there is none whatsoever), then it is rooted in the concept that the critical Executive personnel are too busy with critical work on the nation’s business to take time out to appear.  That simply does not, and cannot, apply here.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL rolling on floor, etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL rolling on floor, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;no kidding.  ya gotta wonder why the mere citation was offered.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i do hope that witness pushes this somehow.  any of you lawyers know what can be done to protest such a travesty?  can the witness press charges?  the victim?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where are those ambulance chasers when we need ‘em?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no kidding.  ya gotta wonder why the mere citation was offered.  </p>
<p>i do hope that witness pushes this somehow.  any of you lawyers know what can be done to protest such a travesty?  can the witness press charges?  the victim?  </p>
<p>where are those ambulance chasers when we need ‘em?</p>
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