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	<title>Comments on: The Judy Miller Standard</title>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88680</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Judy “I was fucking right” Miller set the bar very low.  Judy should be tried at the Hague&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88668</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yo bmaz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;words fail everybody&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you can’t reason with these idiots&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s like they adopted the “Argument sketch” as their leading moral principle&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to which they would reply “no we didn’t”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my motto is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“When logic fails, knock em on their ass”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;some of these ‘tarded fuckers need to be put on reset&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo bmaz</p>
<p>words fail everybody</p>
<p>you can’t reason with these idiots</p>
<p>it’s like they adopted the “Argument sketch” as their leading moral principle</p>
<p>to which they would reply “no we didn’t”</p>
<p>my motto is:</p>
<p>“When logic fails, knock em on their ass”</p>
<p>some of these ‘tarded fuckers need to be put on reset</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88657</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070913-2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Per President Bush:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The principle guiding my decisions on troop levels in Iraq is “return on success.” The more successful we are, the more American troops can return home. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We currently have more troops in Iraq than we did when the surge began, indicating that it has had negative success.  We are the mainstream chatterati going to understand that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070913-2.html" rel="nofollow">Per President Bush:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The principle guiding my decisions on troop levels in Iraq is “return on success.” The more successful we are, the more American troops can return home. </p>
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<p>We currently have more troops in Iraq than we did when the surge began, indicating that it has had negative success.  We are the mainstream chatterati going to understand that?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88654</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Such a nice compact post.  Words fail me.  Actually, they don’t, and &lt;em&gt;that’s&lt;/em&gt; the problem….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a nice compact post.  Words fail me.  Actually, they don’t, and <em>that’s</em> the problem….</p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88648</link>
		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They’ve met some of the standards but…the standard that they ask us to leave wasn’t one of the criteria.  It’s a US Protectorate, folks, a concept that McCain is very familiar with having been born in the Panama Canal Zone.  He wants more folks to grow up to be President who are born in the Iraqi War Zone?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They’ve met some of the standards but…the standard that they ask us to leave wasn’t one of the criteria.  It’s a US Protectorate, folks, a concept that McCain is very familiar with having been born in the Panama Canal Zone.  He wants more folks to grow up to be President who are born in the Iraqi War Zone?</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88642</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah. He gave them an attack ad, they asked for his own vision in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. He gave them an attack ad, they asked for his own vision in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88641</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yep, pretty much&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was watchin a discussion about this on chicken noodle network&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;one former editor, a woman from Time Magazine, (I think) said they wouldn’t run this dreck&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and some dumb woman from the washington times chimed right in, saying “We Would”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the other members of the panel laughed, because the dumb woman from the washington times didn’t realize that she revealed the bias of her publication&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if you’re willing to run a partisan hit piece that no other paper would touch with a 10 foot pole, you’re a fish wrapper, nothing more&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, pretty much</p>
<p>I was watchin a discussion about this on chicken noodle network</p>
<p>one former editor, a woman from Time Magazine, (I think) said they wouldn’t run this dreck</p>
<p>and some dumb woman from the washington times chimed right in, saying “We Would”</p>
<p>the other members of the panel laughed, because the dumb woman from the washington times didn’t realize that she revealed the bias of her publication</p>
<p>if you’re willing to run a partisan hit piece that no other paper would touch with a 10 foot pole, you’re a fish wrapper, nothing more</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88631</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is that the same op-ed that was canned by the Old Lady?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that the same op-ed that was canned by the Old Lady?</p>
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		<title>By: MarieRoget</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/22/the-judy-miller-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-88625</link>
		<dc:creator>MarieRoget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mislaid the quote I was after &amp; mis-spelled yr. name.  My fault, ee:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;To be nobody but yourself in a world that’s doing its best to make you somebody else, is to fight the hardest battle you are ever going to fight. Never stop fighting.&lt;br /&gt;
e. e. cummings&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mislaid the quote I was after &amp; mis-spelled yr. name.  My fault, ee:</p>
<p><em>To be nobody but yourself in a world that’s doing its best to make you somebody else, is to fight the hardest battle you are ever going to fight. Never stop fighting.<br />
e. e. cummings<br /></em></p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;he may try to trade his permanent bases for a better place in history. Would that work? I doubt it. But he’s narcissistic enough to try it, and I don’t think he really gives a shit about McCain. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this is falling into the trap of viewing the war through the lens of personalities, as if Bush were the one deciding things, as if his “narcissism” were a factor.  Bush couldn’t “trade” his permanent bases if he wanted to; they’re going to be there when Obama takes office and it’s an open question as to whether he’ll have the power or will to abandon them.  There’s too much at stake for the constellation of interests that gave us the war to just pack up and go gently home.  Remember that Clinton, not Bush, established the principle of “regime change” and first withdrew the inspection regime from Iraq.  Our pirate ship of state doesn’t just turn on a dime when we get a new president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m interested, by the way, in whether Obama fires Petraeus.  I’m not optimistic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>he may try to trade his permanent bases for a better place in history. Would that work? I doubt it. But he’s narcissistic enough to try it, and I don’t think he really gives a shit about McCain. </p>
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<p>I think this is falling into the trap of viewing the war through the lens of personalities, as if Bush were the one deciding things, as if his “narcissism” were a factor.  Bush couldn’t “trade” his permanent bases if he wanted to; they’re going to be there when Obama takes office and it’s an open question as to whether he’ll have the power or will to abandon them.  There’s too much at stake for the constellation of interests that gave us the war to just pack up and go gently home.  Remember that Clinton, not Bush, established the principle of “regime change” and first withdrew the inspection regime from Iraq.  Our pirate ship of state doesn’t just turn on a dime when we get a new president.</p>
<p>I’m interested, by the way, in whether Obama fires Petraeus.  I’m not optimistic.</p>
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