Comments on: Church Committee, The Bush II Version?

By: Leen

Leen — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:49:28 +0000

We are living through but over a million Iraqi people and 4ooo American soldiers did not make it through the Bush administrations crimes.

Hold these fucking thugs accountable. Is this too much to ask of our Reps?

By: kimocrossman

kimocrossman — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:26:19 +0000

Thursday 7/24 11AM-Noon PST
A conversation with Tim Shorrock, author of Spies for Hire: Inside the Secret World of Intelligence Outsourcing and as it happens - just released Salon expose on “Main Core”–

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By: bmaz

bmaz — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:14:08 +0000

I certainly agree with that.

By: mui1

mui1 — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:34:48 +0000

Cheney/Addington took this to the ultimate. I don’t think I would compare Clinton to those two. And most likley we will have difficulty with Obama on this issue as well. It is annoying when Clinton is characterized as this nefarious dragon lady grasping for ultimate power which of course she will use to her own evil ends. The truth is Obama and Clinton are very similiar. So none of us progressives should be patting ourselves on the back.

By: bmaz

bmaz — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:45:14 +0000

That seems to be a consistent refrain. Do you have anything other than scurrilous inferences?

By: siri

siri — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:31:13 +0000

so much of this seems, at first glance to relate, go back to, in some form, the Clinton administration, and then Reagan before him.
It puts a different light on the Clinton’s drive for a primary win.
Or maybe I’m just seeing conspiracies where they are not, but this idea keeps coming back repeatedly with each new piece of info I read on the net.

By: mui1

mui1 — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:12:58 +0000

Weren’t Rockefeller, Hoyer and Pelosi privy to some of this information. Really, I don’t see how some congresscritters can redeem their reputations after all this. So Comey and Goldsmith were objecting to the use of the Main Core? And this is just plain scary. The chances of being in this database are definitely greater than winning lotto:

An article in Radar magazine in May, citing three unnamed former government officials, reported that “8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect” and, in the event of a national emergency, “could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and even detention.”

The alleged use of Main Core by the Bush administration for surveillance, if confirmed to be true, would indicate a much deeper level of secretive government intrusion into Americans’ lives than has been previously known. With respect to civil liberties, says the ACLU’s Steinhardt, it would be “pretty frightening stuff.”

So if Chimpy decides “red alert”, 8 million citizens could be detained at Gitmo or wherever. And congress gives the paranoiacs in the Chimp administration a blank check. Lovely. I need someone to hold my hand.

By: ohmercy

ohmercy — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:50:49 +0000

hard as it is at least your post gave me smile.

We’re living in a political world.

By: klynn

klynn — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:54:42 +0000

Stepped away for a bit and just catching up…to the hearing next…

I’ve wondered about that as well. It would be worth pursuing this to find out.

By: wigwam

wigwam — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:50:54 +0000

Thirty years ago, Frank Church wrote:

“If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology …”

“I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.“

Violations of the safeguards to prevent the crossing of that abyss have been egregiously violated, and those violations must be prosecuted, and not simply probed by a committee.

Johathan Turley spoke to this point on last night’s Countdown. The video is available at the end of this article.