Comments on: Mukasey Asks Congress to Resolve Boumediene Issues Instead of Courts http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:16:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Nell http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88441 Nell Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:19:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88441 <p><i>so the evidence of the torture that Bush, and only Bush, approved does not become public</i></p> <p>Well, certainly Bush, but not only Bush: Rice, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Tenet, and whoever else attended the meetings of the Principals.</p> so the evidence of the torture that Bush, and only Bush, approved does not become public

Well, certainly Bush, but not only Bush: Rice, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Tenet, and whoever else attended the meetings of the Principals.

]]> By: masaccio http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88342 masaccio Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:03:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88342 <p>This points directly to the contradiction inherent in their lunatic position. We are at war with al-Qaeda. It is a real war, not a police problem. We fight with our army.</p> <p>They don’t have an army, just a bunch of people with guns and stuff. Since they don’t have uniforms, they aren’t entitled to protection of the Geneva Conventions. We are at war but they aren’t? I just can’t make this make sense.</p> This points directly to the contradiction inherent in their lunatic position. We are at war with al-Qaeda. It is a real war, not a police problem. We fight with our army.

They don’t have an army, just a bunch of people with guns and stuff. Since they don’t have uniforms, they aren’t entitled to protection of the Geneva Conventions. We are at war but they aren’t? I just can’t make this make sense.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88338 Leen Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:14:38 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88338 <p>I”m still having problems with calling “prisoners of war” (Geneva convention) “enemy combatants” or “detainees”. We are using the law breakers/makers law breaking language</p> I”m still having problems with calling “prisoners of war” (Geneva convention) “enemy combatants” or “detainees”. We are using the law breakers/makers law breaking language

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88277 phred Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:35:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88277 <p>Perhaps you are right — I am just always curious what exactly is the stick threatened or carrot offered when someone does a 180 like that. The live boy/dead girl was mostly snark, but it had to be significant whatever it was, don’t you think?</p> Perhaps you are right — I am just always curious what exactly is the stick threatened or carrot offered when someone does a 180 like that. The live boy/dead girl was mostly snark, but it had to be significant whatever it was, don’t you think?

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88272 bmaz Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:28:34 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88272 <p>Ahem. There were others a little less sanguine about him…..</p> Ahem. There were others a little less sanguine about him…..

]]> By: brendanx http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88269 brendanx Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:25:52 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88269 <p>This might explain Christopher Hitchens, say, but probably not Mukasey.</p> This might explain Christopher Hitchens, say, but probably not Mukasey.

]]> By: SparklestheIguana http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88267 SparklestheIguana Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:24:19 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88267 <p>Or did one of them just give him an unbelievably good b***job and whisper, “There’s more where that came from….”</p> Or did one of them just give him an unbelievably good b***job and whisper, “There’s more where that came from….”

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88265 earlofhuntingdon Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:23:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88265 <p>Perhaps this is just Mukasey being a NY machine politician. Nearly the only group that polls below Cheney in popularity is Congress. </p> <p>Suggesting that the courts aren’t capable of, you know, judging, Mikey plays bash Congress by setting them up with a faux security issue they ought not address. If they do, Bush gets another freebie. If not, the GOP gets another Rovian stick with which to beat the Democratic majority.</p> Perhaps this is just Mukasey being a NY machine politician. Nearly the only group that polls below Cheney in popularity is Congress.

Suggesting that the courts aren’t capable of, you know, judging, Mikey plays bash Congress by setting them up with a faux security issue they ought not address. If they do, Bush gets another freebie. If not, the GOP gets another Rovian stick with which to beat the Democratic majority.

]]> By: brendanx http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88262 brendanx Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:23:03 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88262 <p>I don’t want this to be taken as a provocation or a slur, but Mukasey is an Orthodox Jew who has been personally threatened by terrorists (<a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411432629&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" rel="nofollow">link</a>):</p> <blockquote><p>Mukasey is most well-known for his involvement in several high-profile terrorism-related cases, including that of Jose Padilla, issuing material witness warrants post-September 11, and the trial of the “blind sheikh,” Omar Abdel Rahman, for trying to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993. In that last case, his Jewishness became a point of contention for the defense, which argued that that he should recuse himself because of his religion and support of Israel. The prosecution dismissed the request as ludicrous, as did Mukasey. As a result of that case, which ended with Rahman sentenced to life in prison, Mukasey and his wife spent the next decade trailed by a security detail to protect them from death threats. He then retired as a judge and returned to his New York law practice. </p></blockquote> <p>I don’t think it’s that relevant — most Republican would have become cogs in this machine and obstructed justice to protect Bush — but I don’t think it’s irrelevant, either.</p> I don’t want this to be taken as a provocation or a slur, but Mukasey is an Orthodox Jew who has been personally threatened by terrorists (link):

Mukasey is most well-known for his involvement in several high-profile terrorism-related cases, including that of Jose Padilla, issuing material witness warrants post-September 11, and the trial of the “blind sheikh,” Omar Abdel Rahman, for trying to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993. In that last case, his Jewishness became a point of contention for the defense, which argued that that he should recuse himself because of his religion and support of Israel. The prosecution dismissed the request as ludicrous, as did Mukasey. As a result of that case, which ended with Rahman sentenced to life in prison, Mukasey and his wife spent the next decade trailed by a security detail to protect them from death threats. He then retired as a judge and returned to his New York law practice.

I don’t think it’s that relevant — most Republican would have become cogs in this machine and obstructed justice to protect Bush — but I don’t think it’s irrelevant, either.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-88261 phred Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:22:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/21/mukasey-asks-congress-to-resolve-boumediene-issues-instead-of-courts/#comment-88261 <p>So what do you think LHP — those Senators checked the NSA records and found what? A live boy or a dead girl?</p> So what do you think LHP — those Senators checked the NSA records and found what? A live boy or a dead girl?

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