Now we know why Attorney General Mukasey is willing to write such ridiculous letters in the service of hiding Vice President Cheney's role in the outing of CIA spy: he apparently thinks it's no big deal that the Vice President ordered the outing of a CIA spy.
At least that's the implication of this exchange between Mukasey and Arlen "Scottish Haggis" Specter (34:00 to 36:01):
Specter: Moving to reporters privilege in the limited time left. Attorney General Mukasey what was the justification for keeping reporter Judith Stern [sic] in jail for 85 days when the source of the leak was known to be Deputy Attorney General [sic] Richard Armitage?
Mukasey: As you know I was not on duty when that case came to the fore, and it's my own view that that case may very well be a better argument against the Special Counsel than it is in favor of legislation of the sort that's been proposed.
Specter: I'm not prepared to deal with the Special Counsel because he's not here. If I had Senator Leahy's gavel, I would have brought him in here a while ago, once the case was finished. But it's very germane in evaluating public policy on whether the Department of Justice ought to have the authority to issue a subpoena in the context and move for a contempt citation and hold a reporter [sic] in jail under very unpleasant circumstances. I can attest to that first hand--I went to visit her.
Mukasey: There's no such thing as jail under pleasant circumstances. It is an inherent contradiction. It is something that therefore we use as a last resort, and we're gonna continue to use as a last resort.
Specter: Well, why'd you need a resort when you know the leak? When you know who the leaker is, why go after a reporter or keep her in jail?
Mukasey: As I said, that was not...
Specter: I know that would be better addressed to the Special Counsel.
Mukasey: It would.
Specter: Someday we may have an opportunity to do that. But right now, you're the one we've got, Attorney General Mukasey. You're the guy who's pushing a policy. So I think it's a fair question to say to you, why maintain a policy that gives whoever the prosecutor is the power to do that when you know who the leaker is.
Mukasey: We don't give that power to a prosecutor, for precisely that reason. We require a clearance up through and including the Attorney General of the United States.
Specter: Attorney General of the United States is a prosecutor. My time is up. [my emphasis]
Mukasey implies that Fitzgerald should have had someone review his decision to subpoena Judy Miller. More troubling, he suggests that Fitzgerald was wrong, ultimately, for having done so.
Now, I can understand such a sentiment from Arlen Specter, who can't seem to get Richard Armitage out of his head, all the evidence notwithstanding that Armitage's testimony did not explain all the classified leaks in Novak's column. I can understand such a sentiment from First Amendment absolutists, who believe even designated shills for the White House, like Judy Miller, deserve an absolute reporter's privilege. I can understand such a sentiment from someone who doesn't really understand the case--even some folks here--who don't get that Judy Miller was the necessary proof that Vice President Cheney ordered Libby to out Valerie Plame.
But Mukasey made this statement in the middle of an argument against a legal reporter's privilege. And, more importantly, Mukasey is one of the few people who has access to all the materials in this case--both Bush and Cheney's interview reports and the unredacted affidavits supporting the journalist subpoenas.
Now, perhaps Mukasey hasn't peeked at those documents, in the same way he hasn't peeked at any of John Yoo's crappy OLC opinions, not wanting to know about crimes that he's preoccupied with hiding. So perhaps he's just as ignorant as Haggis in this discussion.
Or perhaps he saw something in non-public materials that made him believe that the reporter subpoenas were unnecessary. If Cheney just up and admitted, "Yeah, I orderd Scooter to out the bitch, so what? It's great to be a Barnacle," do you think Mukasey would have then found the subpoenas unnecessary? Do you think he would, then, find the appointment of a Special Counsel unnecessary, if he learned that the Barnacle had proudly exposed one of our spies out of political vengefulness? Really?
The most troubling--and most likely--possibility, though, is that Mukasey doesn't think it worth pursuing a bunch of circumstantial evidence that the Vice President of the United States ordered his Chief of Staff to out a spy--and then conspired with his aide to cover up that order and that leak.
Now wonder Mukasey doesn't want to let Waxman see the Bush and Cheney interview reports. Mukasey appears to think covering up the embarrassing fact that the Barnacle outed a CIA spy is all well and good.
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Do you think he would, then, find the appointment of a Special Counsel unnecessary, if he learned that the Barnacle had proudly exposed one of our spies out of political vengefulness?
Cuz he is just sleepwalking through his job? Cuz Cheney threatened to shoot him in the face? Cuz he is a smarter verision of AGAG?
I’m surprised how quickly Mukasey has become a BushCo operative.
I think Mukasey hasn’t looked at the documents, for the same reason the White House refused to open a certain email from the EPA. Unlike Haggis’ ignorance, I think Mukasey’s is deliberate and by his own choice.
If Mukasey had looked at the documents, he might have found it necessary to quit turning a blind eye toward holding anyone at 1600 PA Ave accountable. But by not looking, he can truthfully say “I am not aware of . . .”
He may be covering up for the Barnacle, but he’s also trying to preemptively cover up for himself.
When they drink the koolaide…everything turns a certain shade of yellow….
Are we actually living The Wizard of Oz???……Mukasey is an enigma.
“hold a reporter [sic]”
Snarkalicious
I’m surprised how quickly Mukasey has become a BushCo operative.
You think *you’re* surprised? How’d you like to be standing in Chuck Schumer’s shoes today?
What do they have on Muccous Membrane that makes him melt to Bushco’s demands…that makes him willing to throw away his ENTIRE career…?????
What? and Why?
Muccous Membrane…Worst AG Ever.
Glad you like it. Arlen’s having a bit of chemo brain, so I felt free to put in “sics” where I think he screwed up.
I hope Chuck and Dianne are happy with what they have wrought.
Has Mukasey out-Attorny Generaled John Mitchell?
They were just trying to make nice.
When will we get to read “The Jailhouse Visits” chronicling JudyMiller’s visits by powerful and rich men?
Was there eavesdropping at the Alexandria jail?
I agree. He’s tryin’…he could have just gone along with the flow….:(
I caught that, too. lol.
Poor Judy.
Just curious. Is there a Judy Stern out there? or was he conflating the name Jessica Stern (writes about the threats of CBRNs/WMDs)with Judy Miller (trumpter of fear of WMDs)?
or is it merely a conflation of the names Howard Stern and Judith Miller?
Conclusion: Cabinet member nominee hearings and Supreme Court hearings are
useless…
Hmmn. Specter may not have had the special counsel to question, but last May, he did have the man who appointed the special counsel, Mr Comey, before him. As I recall, Specter didn’t venture on to that territory at all in his questions. Could he have? Maybe Comey was gone as DAG before things were sorted out with Miller, but still.
… until 1.21.09
Hell, go on the assumption that anyone appointed by Bush is weaned on koolaid.
I don’t trust anything about Bushco, until I see that they are “gone”. A myriad of things could happen between now and then.
I have “zero” trust that they have the intention to leave, or that they will, in fact, leave.
The only thing at this point in time is “hope” that they will. I will believe it when I see it. They have shown every indication of their desire to overtake life as we know it, since they “stole” the election in 2000. I won’t believe it is over until it is over. JMHO
Comey left in August 2005. Fitzgerald subpoenaed Judy in August 2004; Appeals Court decided against her in December 2004. So Comey almost certainly did know of what Fitz was doing, though Judy was in jail when Comey left. She testified on September 30 and October 12.
What happened to the day when folks at the DOJ would resign in a noisy fashion when asked to condone executive branch illegality. Used to be you’ll get yours because we share principle. Now its just you’ll get yours only if you cheat. What happened?
Judy Miller, Judy Stern, Valerie/Victoria Plame/Flame…..what’s in a name….not too much, clearly.
I even read a rightwing screed the other day about how Valerie Plame’s husband, “Joseph Plame”, was such a scumbag.
Why doesn’t Fitzy get his Irish up, and tell Specter to stick it?
Obama used to “hope” too, now he just accepts.
Gotta say there are certain benefits to living on the left coast. One of them is that I get warm responses to my letters and postings to the charming and talented Sen. Feinstein with some regularity. Here’s one, for example:
Thank you for writing about Judge Michael Mukasey’s nomination as Attorney General.
After doing my due diligence and carefully reviewing Judge Mukasey’s record, I concluded that he will be a strong and independent leader of the Justice Department. I believe that if he was not confirmed, an acting Attorney General, who would not be confirmed by the Senate, would have led the Department for the remainder of the administration. The Justice Department is too important for that to happen.
Therefore, I supported Judge Mukasey’s nomination and voted to confirm him. I made a statement on the Senate floor explaining my decision which I have enclosed, along with an op-ed I wrote and op-eds from several newspapers on the importance of confirming Judge Mukasey.
Please know that I appreciate your opinion and hope that you will continue to inform me of your views. If you should have any other comments you want to share with me, or if you have a question I can answer, please feel free to contact my Washington, D.C. staff at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.
Best regard, indeed.
It was done in the Senate Chamber Room, with the waterboard, by
Colonel Mukasey
Hmmm…I think that Obama is “either” doing everything he can to avoid accusations by the GOP that he his “soft on terra” (and sacrificing his constitutional thoughts on this) in order to “win” over McCain…or…he is a “red herring” that the GOP deliberately enabled into the elective process….
Me..I think the former. I think if he votes against FISA he will be relentlessly branded as against “national security”….through November. He would rather sacrifice charges of the 4th Amendment being dissed…in order to get elected.
My Question once again? Does FISA trump the 4th Amendment in reality????? I never get an answer.
Does this FISA vote actually eviscerate the 4th Amendment? I never get an answer.
Bring it on! Does it really?
They took the 4th Amendment off the scoreboard.
So now we have 9 Admendments in the Bill of Rights,
Judge Walker will likely give you an answer shortly, followed by a subsequent response from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and ultimately you will get a reaction from SCOTUS.
My WAG is that the first two will clearly say “No, the Fourth Amendment trumps the FISA amendments.” Given some of the detainee and habeas corpus rulings from SCOTUS, I lean toward them agreeing that the Bill of Rights is stronger that a bill passed by Congress — but I’m still very nervous about it.
It bothers me. In both judiciary committee hearings with Comey, Fitzgerald’s name came up only in connection with Kyle Sampson’s clownish list (hasn’t distinguished self one way or t’other). And everyone just laughed that off, which in context was correct.
But there was Comey, this untapped fount (font?) of knowledge on the appointment of special counsel and the justification for it, and nobody thought to chat with him about that a bit?
And today there are those two, Specter and Mukasey (whom Comey supported in a letter last fall, I believe), insulting Fitzgerald out of ignorance or worse. I would expect Fitzgerald to be annoyed (if never to show it), but now I’m really wondering about Comey too.
Couldn’t one of these guys get just a little angry? In public?
The seven year legacy:
Bush 999 999 999 81 81 0
Congress 000 000 000 0 0 81
WP: Bush
LP: Pelosi, Reid
Save: Cheney
SB: Rove
Specter has become his own caricature. That interchange with Mukasey is devoid of contemplation of one of the blindspots in lady justice’s writ, the grand jury process. I took Mukasey’s response to be a jaded suggestion PAA last forever. Mukasey has to like the Bush Cheney authoritarian exercise of government, because Mukasey is their cleanup attorney general. Mukasey is temporizing on the administration’s behalf, a responsibility the white house soon appreciated was palatable for Mukasey. After the hasty discussion in the Chertoff thread, I was reminded once again Cheney probably remains active in helping his business associates with profiteering. There are a few environmental initiatives in Cheney’s part of the nation that have the same sciencelessness about them. The FBI IG report on women torture experts at Gitmo was yet another glimpse at Cheney and Bush’s view of the initiatives in which women might advance neocon paradigms of governance in the US. I think Fitzgerald was being simply mercurial nailing Judy quickly, but not staying too rude about her, knowing she was a tool, a pliant one. The PlameWilson outing served the purposes of arms traders and oil moguls. I have yet to read analysis of the Bush Cheney perspective of women’s best ways of contributing to the Republican party, but these few instances speak volumes about Bush and Cheney’s view of leadership: torture experts, outed monitors of arms trade and oilco intrigue, favorable media propagandists. It is cronyist but lacks vision.
It will be interesting to see the composition of SCOTUS when this reaches them. I wonder if some newly appointed Justice might have to recuse herself, since she voted against immunity in the USSenate?
It’s been so long since a Senator was appointed to SCOTUS, I’m not sure how recusal for previously voting on a bill now before the court works.
Only time will tell, but here’s how I tried to work it out over on Christy’s thread:
LHP replied:
And I answered:
Warrants disposed of where the AG does not have sufficient time to seek them. Backing into domestic warrants for persons with foreign contacts. No checks or requirements with regard to minimization policy, legislative fiat preempting the judiciary in a finding of good faith in existing constitutional controversy arising of the 4th amendment with respect to telecoms. I say yes.
Its the same story, press with illegal actions to force compromise expanding power. It should not be countenanced.
Watch DiFi- she can’t quite remember she did that. Or perhaps much else important. Time to check out of the Senate, Diane.
Presumably, that’s why Mikey was acceptable to the Barnacle, whose network controls senior political appointments, in the first place. As for Specter’s obsession with Armitage, it doesn’t seem to have registered with him that he was only one of several sources that disclosed Plame’s identity, and as you say, provided only some of the background information on her to the press.
Fitz was charged with determining whether federal crimes took place. He proved that Libby obstructed his lawful investigation. He wasn’t charged with determining whether political crimes took place - ie, legal, if reprehensible acts such as declassifying and publishing the identity of a covert agent on WMD’s, an intelligence asset that still seems to be in short supply.
Boy, did Mikey fool Schumer about what kind of job he would do for the Barnacle. As Scott Horton says, he’s a Tom Hagen, a competent Alberto Gonzales, whose job is to keep the Don out of trouble.
well, a dr. judith stern appeared before arlen spectre at a special hearing of the appropriations committee feb 17 2003 in s.f. topic: improving nutrition & health through lifestyle modifications.
dr. stern is listed as a professor in dept of nutriton & internal medicine at uc davis. her testimony starts at page 35.
link
(there’s also a judith stern who’s a lobbyist and political consultant out of florida. one of her clients is suez energy.)
GWB could could give a shizzola about his “standing” weak or otherwise…
He is pressing forward with an agenda that they “the neocons” developed well before he took power….it encompasses intelligence (his Daddy was head of the CIA)…it encompasses policies that support fascism (his Grandaddy did that)..it encompasseas earnings for Halliburton (His VP has interests)…it encompasses the Bin Laden family (his old roomates)…It encompasses the Saudis, who he owed money to for bailing him out of his failed oiled companies…
Who attacked us on 9/11: Saudis.
Where is Osama Bin Laden from? Saudi Arabia.
Wake up America. Geez.
W/r/t W’s weakness, my worry is that it will embolden Team Dick as regards Iran.
No, a statute would not “trump” the Fourth Amendment. But legislatures and the courts do define what manner of search and seizure is “reasonable”. Knockless police entries, for example, and the whole category of automobile searches, including dog sniffs without a warrant or probable cause.
Then FIGHT BACK!!
Dick can go $%(^(*^( himself. Old fart.
I’m going to let Dick F’ing Cheney decide the future for my children?????
NOT!!!
The dog sniffs are already running. They’ve been walking the K-9 units through my trains on random schedules for months, in the name of ’security’. Same with the baggage searches they’re starting.
We’re already so screwed on searches with “good faith” discoveries-a concept totally at odds with the letter of the law according to the Fourth Amendment. Then again, it just a goddamned piece of paper. It has been treated as such by the Courts and Police Agencies for many years now, especially since we declared war on drugs.
Specter got this one wrong. Miller was jailed for refusing to testify in probing whether or not Libby obstructed justice. The inquiry that Fitz had cooking at the time wasn’t only (and maybe not at all) “who were the leakers.”
In contract law a distinction is drawn between “good faith” activity and “coercive” activity but the distinction is lost as the concept of “good faith” is applied to government and the threshold issues of abuses of power are minimized. The way the term “good faith” is used in jurisprudence it increasingly serves as a euphemism for “coercion” and “abuse of power” inasmuch as the government is acknowledged to have an interest in preventive police measures. But these preventive measures require a “Minority Report” epistemology. Suspicion replaces provable activity as a basis for intrusion in this approach.
Due process originally was put into place to guard against prejudicial bias in governance especially in the protection of “liberty” interests. But there has been a de facto supplanting of the “liberty interest” analysis with an analysis that requires a kind of “corporate” compliance with government acting as a coercive instrument. Some of this arises of demographics where the domains traditionally appropriate for the exercise of liberty interests become increasingly scarce and this is commensurate to the rise in the allure of intoxication as a mechanism of escapism.
And this way of looking at the problem may at this point be more psychologically true than literally true but the paradigm shift certainly is increasingly applied in the contexts of public roads, communications and foreign activity. It amounts to a kind of monopolization and sequestering of potential frontiers. This monopolization of opportunity is the economic crime here but there is no reason to think that the denial of the ever expanding coercive tendencies in governance will be easily overcome. With the hegemony of a corporately driven economic status quo, opportunity is seen as an affair increasingly subject to private regulation. Citizenry affords little protection in such an ever decreasing public domain where the ethos of “coercion” then becomes normative in the enforcement of contracts.
Evidence for my point is visible in Fitzgerald’s affidavits supporting his subpoenas for reporter testimony - it was failure to respond to those subpoenas that got Miller her stay in jail.
In any event, wasn’t Judy’s contempt at a time before Armitage “remembered” he was a leaker?
Don’t forget escapism as a mechanism of escapism. What country is the world’s foremost producer of entertainment?
– In any event, wasn’t Judy’s contempt at a time before Armitage “remembered” he was a leaker? –
I believe so, but I’m reconstructing that from memory. I think the Libby indictment happened before it was clear that Armitage was one of several leakers; and Miller’s jailing occurred before Libby was indicted.
The statutory changes don’t “trump” the 4th amendment, but they do create tremendous practical difficulties.
Under the 4th Amendment (or a FISA challenge) first you would have to prove standing. That has been the big problem to date - with Judge Taylor’s case being kicked by the 6th bc those spied upon could not prove that they had been spied upon, and it has also been the problem in the al- Hariman case before Walker, in that he is not allowing the evidence of the phone log - although relatively indisputable - to ‘count’ as evidence of illegal spying bc of the invocation of state secrets for that piece of evidence.
So if you were to get past the standing issue, then under a 4th amendment analysis, you’d probably have to rely on a Bivens-styled action for civil recovery, or on getting subsequent criminal proceedings against you thrown out if you were in the midst of a criminal proceeding. Despite Walker’s ruling in al-Hariman, as that case goes up the appellate ranks, the log may be able to be raised as evidence of illegal spying to justify defenses on a criminal front, but the Sup Ct has pretty much become a ‘eh, so it was illegally obtained - let it in anyway’ court of no resort. On the civil front, you would have to prove how you were damaged by being spied upon. For most people, this might be very difficult.
Enter Old FISA. Old FISA created a statutory remedy that is not mandated by the Constitution - it is a remedy of allowing a $1,000 (or whatever the amount is) civil recovery (as well as making the spying a felony) WITHOUT PROVING DAMAGE for each instance of felonious unwarranted domestic spying. So with old FISA, if the mass plaintiffs (or any individual plaintiff) can get past the standing issue, they are home free bc they don’t have to prove damages. Just get access to the info on instances of felonious spying and start allocating payments owing to litigants or to a certified class if you get to that point.
So nothing about the legislation can or will truly be able to cut off Bivens type actions. But a part of the catch-22 is that a Bivens action is only available if there is no other Federal remedy (Old FISA does give such a remedy and new ObamizedFISA keeps that remedy - it just creates a class of litigants who can’t use that remedy - - those who the President decided it was *legal* to spy on [enter Due Process attack #1]) It is also going to be an evidentiary issue on whether the telecoms were acting under color of law or as Executive branch agents (I think that’s a winner for litigants) What forcing litigants to take the Bivens route does, though, is open up a possibility of punitive damages not available under FISA. You’d need a tough court or jury for that, but if you get them - the damages could still be substantial. You also have to prove up an element of egregiousness. So there are a lot more proof issues on a Bivens action and if you can’t get access to information bc of state secrets invocations, then you have a lot of hurdles.
The big thing the Old FISA did was to take away all those proof issues and “set damages” and that is primarily what the legislation does bar. Can they take away the remedy that the Constitution didn’t require them to provide to start with (a civil $$ award?) Normally, you’d have to say yes. OTOH, when they are saying that they will reward violations of the Constitution (the 4th Amendment) by exempting the violaters from the statutory penalties of FISA, that is a little more bizarre and complicated context. A court has to think twice about having Constitutional violations in front of them and rewarding those because the President determined them to be legal.
And a court would have to think twice about the manner in which Congress is taking away the recovery - Congress is not just taking it away. They are telling a COURT that it is REQUIRED to take away the civil recovery based on being presented with evidence that the President directed the criminal and constitutional violations. whew - talk about some severe separation of powers issues. And then there’s the foreclosing of a forum issue and … lots of constitutional and procedural fodder for the litigation cannons IMO. That’s why my take awhile back was to quit even trying to worry over the dissolutes who call themselves Senators and instead shift focus.
I’d say all the contributions that might have gone to Obama, or DCCC or SCCC or DNC etc. might be better targeted to either Glenn’s group or to entities like EFF or ACLU etc. who are going to fight the fight.
48/50 “Miller was jailed for refusing to testify in probing whether or not Libby obstructed justice.”
I agree with that. I’m not sure I agree with the prosecutorial approach behind that, though. I really think that if the sole purpose of jailing Miller was to resolve whether or not Libby made false statements and not because those statements were material statements about an underlying crime, I’m not all that sure that journalists should be able to be jailed for that kind of situation. OTOH, I think Fitzgerald was going for more and had good grounds to believe he could get to more, but just couldn’t make it work in the end.
I also think there’s a real chance (although a real chance and a good chance aren’t the same) that something happened to the delegation of authority to Fitzgerald after the Libby suit was filed and I think Mukasey’s reference about the special counsel situation could, in that context, be a backhanded reinforcement of what was done - so that if it ever comes out he could point to things such as the jailing to show that some of the delegation and decision making had to be called back. Sowing of seeds. fwiw.
That’s very encouraging, thank you for that.
I wonder whether the permission slips are already in evidence in the Walker cases, vs. whether they now have to be shown to Walker before the cases can be dismissed. Hmmm, would that be regular evidence, sealed evidence, or just an ex parte showing? I.e. what latitude if any might Walker have to make the permission slips public, were he so inclined?
I’m seeing from places like Wpedia that Armitage spoke up in Aug. 2006, after all those other events had taken place. Not clear without reading some articles (if then) whether Armitage had already told anyone else, like, maybe, the prosecutor, about these things before those chrono points.
Clearly, of course it does not affect the case as it was indicted by then. Just Arlen being Arlen, and maybe also creating an opportunity to drop those seeds that Mary so intriguingly mentions.
– I really think that if the sole purpose of jailing Miller was to resolve whether or not Libby made false statements and not because those statements were material statements about an underlying crime … –
It’s a tough call. The obstruction was certainly material to the investigation of the allegation of a crime; and Fitz was operating on the presumption that the CIA referral was righteous (i.e., not “crying wolf”). And, it was a serious investigation, see appointment of a special counsel to get to the bottom of it. In that environment, a “pure” administration of justice has a gut check as to whether it will take a knowing liar, and look the other way, or take a knowing liar and do something about it - even if the underlying crime can’t be found for want of other elements.
If you read the affidavits, it’s pretty clear that he was still working on sorting through the abundant contradictory evidence that didn’t even completely explain the Novak article, much less what Cheney ordered Libby to leak to Judy.
No.
Armitage testified on October 1, 2003, that he had told Novak that Plame had suggested Wilson for the trip. He also said that he DIDN’T tell Novak anything about the CIA trip report. And he didn’t provide the name or covert status.
Novak and Armitage disagree about whether Armitage said Plame was in counter-proliferation. And Novak blames someone–who isn’t Libby and may be either Rove or Armitage in spite of good evidence that it wasn’t–for providing the information that came from the CIA trip report.
– I think Mukasey’s reference about the special counsel situation could, in that context, be a backhanded reinforcement of what was done - so that if it ever comes out he could point to things such as the jailing to show that some of the delegation and decision making had to be called back. Sowing of seeds. –
I’m speculating too, but I take Mukasey’s statement in the blockquote above to be forward looking. He’s basically saying that Congress might be better off repealing the special counsel statute (or maybe hemming it in so special counsel have to work through DOJ to obtain subpoenas directed to reporters); than to pass a reporter shield statute that covers all cases, not just special counsel cases.
Mukasey wants to keep subpoena power when he controls the prosecutors, but he wants to deny the report subpoena power to a prosecutor that can operate independently of the DOJ.
Ok, so Haggis indulges in a convenient gloss where Armitage’s admission doesn’t in fact fully account for all the sensitive information that was provided to Novak.
What happens to all of the paperwork in this Dept. of “Justice” when a new administration comes in with a new AG?
– so Haggis indulges in a convenient gloss where Armitage’s admission doesn’t in fact fully account for all the sensitive information that was provided to Novak. –
Specter completely misses the point that Fitz was in part investigating whether or not Libby had testified truthfully.
And, he (along with 90% of the people who comment on le affair Plame) fall into the trap of thinking there can be only one leaker. I.e., if Armitage is a leaker, then Libby isn’t.
EW, with your updates to this post, I took a clear understanding from Mukasey that Rove ain’t gonna get no “Executive Privilege” pass wrt to tomorrow’s hearing.
Now to be very clear, I don’t mean that to say that he will enforce a Congressional Contempt citation against Turdblossom. Just that there ain’t gonna be no EP extended to Turdblossom.
As to Congressional Contempt, Mukasey is merely kicking that can down the road to another Administration’s DOJ since he is using the “out” that the underlying issue has already been moved to the Judicial branch (via Miers and Bolten).
Deadeye is planning that “small” fires will breakout in various Federal agencies.
The one in his Executive Office Building office was merely a trial run to see if:
1. It burned sufficient quantities of material in a timely manner.
2. It managed to fool the Fire Marshall’s arson investigation.
3. If # 2 doesn’t work, that the incoming Democrats can be blamed for careless smoking.
Deadeye has got it all worked out. Just trying to figure out how to get a tax deduction for all that expensive petrol.
61 - I see that too, but IIRC, even an “outside special counsel” (the ones the regs are written for) would have to follow Dept procedure on subpeonas and those would require AG level approval for actions like seeking to jail reporters for noncompliance with subpoenas. I may misunderstand that procedurally, but I thought the only reason Fitzgerald got to make the call independently wasn’t bc he was “special counsel” under the special counsel regs (bc he wasn’t) but rather bc he had the delegation of authority equivalent to AG authority. I could have the mechanics of the journalist jailing rules wrong though.
Gotcha. So legally, the opinions and all stay, except that they won’t.
LS, that is exactly what it was designed to do from the outset, so yes.
Yeah, I’ve been trying to boil the argument down for myself that many Obama Zombies make and here’s my result (Note that many Obama supporters are not Obama Zombies, so don’t try the shoe on if you know it doesn’t fit):
Betraying the Constitution vs Appointing Future Supreme Court Justices
Which is real funny if you think about it and have a sad sense of humor like me because what in the world do you care about Supreme Court Justices if the Constitution itself has no value to you?
Heck, you could appoint any doofus to the SC if the Constitution doesn’t matter anymore.
Or another way to boil it down is this question:
Which is more important? The Constitution or gaining power?
The answer is not “blowing in the wind!”
Thanks bmaz and others for answering my question….
Now what?
Well, yes; but i would point out that my answer was directed at FISA itself, not just the FAA just passed. The very first original FISA was a workaround of the 4th Amendment, and in some (maybe most) cases the confrontation clause. The law has always had some aspects that were of dubious Constitutionality; now it has many more.
off-topic notes from the lotus eater’s banquet
remember how everybody used to say kkkarl rove was a genius ???
let’s see what this does to alter that view
Top GOP Rep: Obama’s Turnout Could Sink Us In The South
a repuglitard just expressed doubt in the “Southern Stratgy”
the repuglitards are worried about losing in THE SOUTH
what else have they got, besides Utah ???
kkkarl ain’t so smart. he just squeezed the southern stratgy to it;s narrowest margins
now the southern strategy is dying
is there any reason to believe that the repuglitards are gonne be resurgent anywhere else ???
It was the beginning of a regime of secret laws. Historically this is when the foundation began to crumble.
Bmaz, here we are:
Heh
OT. I think I am beginning to understand now what a “suspected terrorist” is. That’s someone overseas with whom you may do business that is competitive toward global corporate interests.
O…………MG.
Whew. Luckily, I am neither “overseas” (we seem to be joined at the midriff along the 49th parallel) nor competitive in that grand a way, so I’m in the clear, right?
Totally OT (just because it’s a slow news day…*g*) - Court Orders White House Office Of Administration To Preserve Documents Regarding Missing Email:
OA Stay Ruling here.
Nope. Terrorist.
skdadl, I just saw where this AM during the liveblog you asked about video of Durbin’s questioning of Muck. Found a short and disgusting passage at ThinkProgress.
That’s right, especially with the Canadian dollar surpassing the US Dollar so firmly rooted in the timeless “arbitrage” standard.
I guess if Russ Feingold can act positive & display some hope after today’s craparound, so can I. Heading back into the traffic to go tutor kids over @ Covenant House for the GED now; make myself useful in this burg.
The mark of a really shitty day- Could use a cig, & I quit almost 8 yrs. ago. Russ, be my strength, amen.
Read you all later.
Thanks very much, dragon. Off to watch. I thought that Durbin was terrific today, and he really got Mukasey cornered, step by step by step.
Well then, you’re in a lot of trouble, because you are communicatin’ with me.
Heh heh I was tapped in the mid 90s, they probably never turned the damn thing off.
That’s it. Solid gold. Mukasey does the Nuremberg defence. Holy fiddleheads. Where did these people go to school?
I see that Mary and bmaz have provided answers, but I’ll add my two cents. The Fourth Amendment does not grant rights. It specifies rights that were retained by the citizenry when we created our government. It should be read as specifically denying that the government has the power to take certain actions. The judiciary has traditionally protected citizens from violations of their constitutional rights by the executive and legislative branches.
The Supreme Court decided years ago that we have an expectation of privacy when we use telephones, so the Fourth Amendment applies, and the government must get a warrant if it wants to eavesdrop. If it doesn’t, then the question is what rights does the citizen have. This question was resolved in criminal cases: the evidence cannot be used against the person whose rights were violated.
So, the question raised by the change to FISA is simply this: how does the Court protect citizens against violation of their rights by this arrogant administration. Mary points out the difficulties inherent in a Bivens action, the traditional set of rules for enforcing constitutional rights in non-statutory cases.
Judge Walker’s decision is aggressive in asserting that the President and his administration deliberately violated FISA. If I were he, I would follow that up with an enforcement mechanism. I would gloss over Bivens, on the grounds that the violation was obvious and intentional. I would hand the plaintiffs a significant verdict against the government, and let the appellate courts try their hands at constructing a better remedy for the plaintiffs and those of us who communicate with our traveling friends overseas and our ex-pat relatives.
I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that Mukasey hasn’t read the file. He doesn’t need to, and as a lawyer, he has to know that he’s better off not knowing what’s in there. If he has any sense, he will have made sure that the file is under lock and key, and no one, including himself, can get to it without creating a paper trail. That would give him evidence to support his claim that he never read the file, should he need it in the future.
Why would he do this? Because he knows that the file is explosive, and if/when it does make it to the light of day, it’s going to leave shitstains on a lot of people, and he’s going to want to be damn sure he can claim he had no idea what was in there.
I am not sure Walker needs to do even that. Quite frankly, at this point, I don’t think he can do that. It appears at first glance that what Walker can do is to find the FAA unconstitutional when the dismissal submissions are made and, separately, find the al Haramain sufficiently evidences standing as to damage/surveillance via their supplemental filing based on “anything but the Document”. That would leave al Haramain active, subject only to an interlocutory appeal (which are very much not favored in Federal civil cases), and the remaining consolidated cases in the most positive posture possible for appeal which, thankfully, is to the 9th Circuit.
FrankProbst - At least as far as I am concerned, willful ignorance of the type by Mukasey you describe constitutes unethical conduct and likely criminal fraud and obstruction upon congress and courts.
Seems to me if you have suspicions that a crime has been committed or there is the accusation of crimes being committed, if as the AG in that capacity deliberately ignores and fails to investigate, is that not a crime in itself?
dereliction of duty?