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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So Mucky Kasey is saying that if I get, say, a ticket for doing 80 in a 30 mile zone, I can go into court and tell the judge that the speed limit is just a suggestion, and if I decide the conditions will allow it safely, I can drive as fast as I want and it will be legal?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I have actually heard people trying that argument out. Twenty years ago. There may even be judges who would buy it; there was one who figured a pregnant woman counted as two people for the purpose of using a car-pool lane.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Mucky Kasey is saying that if I get, say, a ticket for doing 80 in a 30 mile zone, I can go into court and tell the judge that the speed limit is just a suggestion, and if I decide the conditions will allow it safely, I can drive as fast as I want and it will be legal?</p>
<p>(I have actually heard people trying that argument out. Twenty years ago. There may even be judges who would buy it; there was one who figured a pregnant woman counted as two people for the purpose of using a car-pool lane.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The format didn’t allow Whitehouse to keep going on the more important points.  Arguably, what Mukasey said about the Executive being able to review EOs at will is correct - they are just directives, not laws or court orders (just like letters from the President to non-Executive branch members are just letters from the President - not judicial warrants).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mukasey’s example of how another nation is being treated doesn’t really even make sense (changing aide and import/export restrictions etc. couldn’t be done *privately* in any event) and certainly doesn’t got to the issue of EOs on how AMERICAN CITIZENS will be treated by their government.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More than that, though, was the follow up on whether or not the President has a duty to advise Congress of the changes in his orders. Even in the example Mukasey gave, as Congress is making budget allocations and reviewing treaties etc. they are entitled to know what the President knows.  More importantly, with respect to how American citizens are being treated by 1/3 of the American govt, the other 2/3 of government which exercise oversight, checks and balances have a right to know what is being done by the Executive to American citizens.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real answer to Whitehouse’s questions end up being found “at home” and not from a font of a Bush mouthpiece who has no remaining respect for law.   The real answer to Whitehouse’s questions is, in a sense, found in Goldsmith’s and Posner’s novel take on international law - with a homeboy application.  What “can” Bush do regarding his Executive Orders?  Exactly what Congress and the courts will let him do; exactly what he is “big enough” to get away with doing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As pathetic and revolting as Mukasey has become, the incredulity should be directed, not at him, but at Congress.  To have become, as an institution, something worthy of less respect than the Bush DOJ is an accomplishment of note, if not one of pride.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The format didn’t allow Whitehouse to keep going on the more important points.  Arguably, what Mukasey said about the Executive being able to review EOs at will is correct &#8211; they are just directives, not laws or court orders (just like letters from the President to non-Executive branch members are just letters from the President &#8211; not judicial warrants).</p>
<p>Mukasey’s example of how another nation is being treated doesn’t really even make sense (changing aide and import/export restrictions etc. couldn’t be done *privately* in any event) and certainly doesn’t got to the issue of EOs on how AMERICAN CITIZENS will be treated by their government.  </p>
<p>More than that, though, was the follow up on whether or not the President has a duty to advise Congress of the changes in his orders. Even in the example Mukasey gave, as Congress is making budget allocations and reviewing treaties etc. they are entitled to know what the President knows.  More importantly, with respect to how American citizens are being treated by 1/3 of the American govt, the other 2/3 of government which exercise oversight, checks and balances have a right to know what is being done by the Executive to American citizens.  </p>
<p>The real answer to Whitehouse’s questions end up being found “at home” and not from a font of a Bush mouthpiece who has no remaining respect for law.   The real answer to Whitehouse’s questions is, in a sense, found in Goldsmith’s and Posner’s novel take on international law &#8211; with a homeboy application.  What “can” Bush do regarding his Executive Orders?  Exactly what Congress and the courts will let him do; exactly what he is “big enough” to get away with doing.</p>
<p>As pathetic and revolting as Mukasey has become, the incredulity should be directed, not at him, but at Congress.  To have become, as an institution, something worthy of less respect than the Bush DOJ is an accomplishment of note, if not one of pride.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/09/mukasey-flip-flops-on-pixie-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-85555</link>
		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I did not sleep with that woman. If I did there are national security reasons that prevent me from disclosing the truth about this. Now, leave me alone and let me get back to work. I am the president and I can lie under oath if I want to.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;geeesh. Do you think they have any clue as to how hypocritical they look to most of us?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I did not sleep with that woman. If I did there are national security reasons that prevent me from disclosing the truth about this. Now, leave me alone and let me get back to work. I am the president and I can lie under oath if I want to.”</p>
<p>geeesh. Do you think they have any clue as to how hypocritical they look to most of us?</p>
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		<title>By: RAMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It sort of reminds me of the time I was covering the village board, and a zoning issue came up with a local business. One of the village board members (a friend of the business owner) said he felt village ordinances were “guidelines” that pointed the way but weren’t “cast in stone.” The village attorney and county state’s attorney begged to differ and had to point out that village ordinances are the law, not suggestions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That issue was efficiently handled on the local level (the board member decided not to seek reelection), but it looks like the higher we get in government, the less respect there is for what’s a law and what’s a suggestion. The shear lawlessness of the Bush Administration will, I predict, be the subject of shelves of legal analyses for years to come.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sort of reminds me of the time I was covering the village board, and a zoning issue came up with a local business. One of the village board members (a friend of the business owner) said he felt village ordinances were “guidelines” that pointed the way but weren’t “cast in stone.” The village attorney and county state’s attorney begged to differ and had to point out that village ordinances are the law, not suggestions.</p>
<p>That issue was efficiently handled on the local level (the board member decided not to seek reelection), but it looks like the higher we get in government, the less respect there is for what’s a law and what’s a suggestion. The shear lawlessness of the Bush Administration will, I predict, be the subject of shelves of legal analyses for years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mukasey says that the President can violate laws without consequence. The hypothetical he gives is an executive order finding that a nation is in compliance with certain norms. This process is a standard legislative act, permitting the president to do things if he makes certain findings, things like providing the nation most favored nation status, or providing it with military aid .  Later if the president finds out that nation isn’t in compliance with those norms, he doesn’t have to change the finding. In doing so, he violates the law permitting him to act only if certain things are true. But that’s OK in Mukasey’s hypothetical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whitehouse was incredulous, as well he should be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mukasey says that the President can violate laws without consequence. The hypothetical he gives is an executive order finding that a nation is in compliance with certain norms. This process is a standard legislative act, permitting the president to do things if he makes certain findings, things like providing the nation most favored nation status, or providing it with military aid .  Later if the president finds out that nation isn’t in compliance with those norms, he doesn’t have to change the finding. In doing so, he violates the law permitting him to act only if certain things are true. But that’s OK in Mukasey’s hypothetical.</p>
<p>Whitehouse was incredulous, as well he should be.</p>
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		<title>By: der1</title>
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		<dc:creator>der1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Democrats should see themselves for who they really are when looking in the mirror, but they won’t. Like the “advisers” that seemingly now surround Obama and push him to ignore 91% of the American People, Congress only hears those small voices. Mukasey is Gonzalez’s brother in the way he answers questions: squishy, squirmy, slick, and slimy…at least Addington didn’t hide his contempt. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Down the tubes we all go. And 45% of the People think McCain, “don’t tell me about my record!”, the old fuck, would make a fine President. F’ck all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats should see themselves for who they really are when looking in the mirror, but they won’t. Like the “advisers” that seemingly now surround Obama and push him to ignore 91% of the American People, Congress only hears those small voices. Mukasey is Gonzalez’s brother in the way he answers questions: squishy, squirmy, slick, and slimy…at least Addington didn’t hide his contempt. </p>
<p>Down the tubes we all go. And 45% of the People think McCain, “don’t tell me about my record!”, the old fuck, would make a fine President. F’ck all.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your story line can be the forward to Marcy’s new edgy book:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lying Sacks of Shit: How Pixie Dust Sold Out America&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your story line can be the forward to Marcy’s new edgy book:</p>
<p><em>Lying Sacks of Shit: How Pixie Dust Sold Out America</em></p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSimian</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSimian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As always, I find it incredible that yesterday’s testimony isn’t in today’s papers.  There’s a small article in the WaPo, but even that slants to Mukasey’s argument that he’s cleaning up the DOJ going forward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was staggered and appalled by that testimony yesterday.  Mukasey ducked every question, refused to be pinned down by anything he said and basically repeated the Gonzo line of “I don’t know” over and over again.  This should be front page news.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, I find it incredible that yesterday’s testimony isn’t in today’s papers.  There’s a small article in the WaPo, but even that slants to Mukasey’s argument that he’s cleaning up the DOJ going forward.</p>
<p>I was staggered and appalled by that testimony yesterday.  Mukasey ducked every question, refused to be pinned down by anything he said and basically repeated the Gonzo line of “I don’t know” over and over again.  This should be front page news.</p>
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		<title>By: MarieRoget</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarieRoget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I got back from tutoring over @ Covenant House several hrs. ago, but apparently it’s Insomniac Theatre time tonight, so thought I’d relay this anecdote.  After finishing the practice GED tests, I let the class fool around a little in the computer lab.  The kids &amp; I sometimes talk politics &amp; current events, &amp; I started trying to explain what a crappy day it had been in DC, what w/the Mukasey hearing &amp; 4th Amendment gutting party etc. etc.  One of the guys who likes to be known as St. Jimmy (not his real name) had the winning line about it all:  “Man, I thought my life was out of control…the United States government is more out of control than my life!”  Hard to refute St. Jim on a day like yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And on that cheerful note I leave to try again to get some sleep.  What a wretched day.  Reading you all for a couple of hrs. has made it better, though.  That, &amp; a big fat donation to the ACLU.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I got back from tutoring over @ Covenant House several hrs. ago, but apparently it’s Insomniac Theatre time tonight, so thought I’d relay this anecdote.  After finishing the practice GED tests, I let the class fool around a little in the computer lab.  The kids &amp; I sometimes talk politics &amp; current events, &amp; I started trying to explain what a crappy day it had been in DC, what w/the Mukasey hearing &amp; 4th Amendment gutting party etc. etc.  One of the guys who likes to be known as St. Jimmy (not his real name) had the winning line about it all:  “Man, I thought my life was out of control…the United States government is more out of control than my life!”  Hard to refute St. Jim on a day like yesterday.</p>
<p>And on that cheerful note I leave to try again to get some sleep.  What a wretched day.  Reading you all for a couple of hrs. has made it better, though.  That, &amp; a big fat donation to the ACLU.</p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I can assure the Committee that the President may take pains to appear to be complying with his own Executive Orders…but is not obligated to comply with them, nor is he obligated to inform the Committee, nor the public, when he is violating the U.S. Constitution…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what part of a statement like that is not impeachable?  When the folks who have sworn oaths to the Constitution no longer take them seriously, what is left?  Just a nation of the ruler.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I can assure the Committee that the President may take pains to appear to be complying with his own Executive Orders…but is not obligated to comply with them, nor is he obligated to inform the Committee, nor the public, when he is violating the U.S. Constitution…”</p>
<p>And what part of a statement like that is not impeachable?  When the folks who have sworn oaths to the Constitution no longer take them seriously, what is left?  Just a nation of the ruler.</p>
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