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	<title>Comments on: FISA Liveblog: Chris &#8220;Not only do I dress better than Kit Bond, I defend the Constitution, too!&#8221; Dodd</title>
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		<title>By: drational</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/08/fisa-liveblog-chris-not-only-do-i-dress-better-than-kit-bond-i-defend-the-constitution-too-dodd/comment-page-1/#comment-85168</link>
		<dc:creator>drational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am largely with you here bmaz, but should we also attack Feingold and Leahy and Dodd for not filibustering 6304?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am largely with you here bmaz, but should we also attack Feingold and Leahy and Dodd for not filibustering 6304?</p>
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		<title>By: darclay</title>
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		<dc:creator>darclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I know his evilness was in Raleigh yesterday as were several others of his minions but “in honor of senator NO” can we have a real filabuster and firebreathing show from any Democrat surely there must be a rule, or some device that someone has the guts to use to hold this up….makes me so sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I know his evilness was in Raleigh yesterday as were several others of his minions but “in honor of senator NO” can we have a real filabuster and firebreathing show from any Democrat surely there must be a rule, or some device that someone has the guts to use to hold this up….makes me so sad.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do not impugn Specter for his difference of opinion, I impugn him for wasting oxygen talking about his love of the Constitution and then voting directly opposite to his words. If you find that to be “condescending abuse”, I suppose that is your right, but it is a curious opinion.  Similarly, I think it is curious, at best, that you consider the questioning of a man that consistently panders with happy talk about the Constitution and then votes diametrically opposite, to be “violently fractious”.  Perhaps I should talk out of both sides of my mouth and not really stand for anything and you would consider that heroic, same as you do for the Scottish Haggis.  But I will have none of that, instead, and unlike Specter, I will plow along standing for what I believe in and proudly accept your mushy wrath.  And, again unlike Specter, I will do everything in my power to protect the Constitution so that you may continue to have the right to express that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not impugn Specter for his difference of opinion, I impugn him for wasting oxygen talking about his love of the Constitution and then voting directly opposite to his words. If you find that to be “condescending abuse”, I suppose that is your right, but it is a curious opinion.  Similarly, I think it is curious, at best, that you consider the questioning of a man that consistently panders with happy talk about the Constitution and then votes diametrically opposite, to be “violently fractious”.  Perhaps I should talk out of both sides of my mouth and not really stand for anything and you would consider that heroic, same as you do for the Scottish Haggis.  But I will have none of that, instead, and unlike Specter, I will plow along standing for what I believe in and proudly accept your mushy wrath.  And, again unlike Specter, I will do everything in my power to protect the Constitution so that you may continue to have the right to express that.</p>
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		<title>By: EternalVigilance</title>
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		<dc:creator>EternalVigilance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Impugning another man’s difference of opinion as spiel, gall or lame is exactly the kind of condescending abuse for which I see the left excoriate the right (and rightly so).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d say that until we here are able to even consider someone else sees a situation differently, let alone with as much passion and consistency to their view, that we have no chance at advancing an agenda, and in fact are just as violently fractious as those whom we believe we oppose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No wonder the left can’t get the votes to change anything.  “Vote with us, you ignorant gasbag” wouldn’t sway me much, either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Probably a good thing to keep in mind as we call everyone this morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impugning another man’s difference of opinion as spiel, gall or lame is exactly the kind of condescending abuse for which I see the left excoriate the right (and rightly so).</p>
<p>I’d say that until we here are able to even consider someone else sees a situation differently, let alone with as much passion and consistency to their view, that we have no chance at advancing an agenda, and in fact are just as violently fractious as those whom we believe we oppose.</p>
<p>No wonder the left can’t get the votes to change anything.  “Vote with us, you ignorant gasbag” wouldn’t sway me much, either.</p>
<p>Probably a good thing to keep in mind as we call everyone this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It doesn’t take balls to talk a good game, it takes balls to go out and back it up with votes.  Mr. Specter talked the same passionate spiel about the Constitution, rule of law and yada, yada, yada on the MCA/Habeas; then he went out and voted for the crap while having the gall to state on the record he hoped the Supreme Court would bail him out.  According to what you relate, that is exactly what is going on here.  That is not heroic, that is lame.  Hot air does not mean diddly, votes count.  If he believes in the Constitution so much, he should fucking vote to uphold and protect it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn’t take balls to talk a good game, it takes balls to go out and back it up with votes.  Mr. Specter talked the same passionate spiel about the Constitution, rule of law and yada, yada, yada on the MCA/Habeas; then he went out and voted for the crap while having the gall to state on the record he hoped the Supreme Court would bail him out.  According to what you relate, that is exactly what is going on here.  That is not heroic, that is lame.  Hot air does not mean diddly, votes count.  If he believes in the Constitution so much, he should fucking vote to uphold and protect it.</p>
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		<title>By: EternalVigilance</title>
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		<dc:creator>EternalVigilance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was in the Senate Gallery all day today (well, until about 6:15), may go back again tomorrow - it’s not every day one gets to see whether the Congress votes to eviscerate the Constitution!  Anyway…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s up with Arlen is that he actually cares very, very deeply about the Constitution, and more than any other Senator today spent time trying to emphasize what complete insantity/criminal complicity retroactive immunity is.  And he was doing this from the Republican side, too!  The lines of questioning were Arlen’s attempts (drawing on his prosecutorial background, I thought) to get other Senators to confirm on the record things like Senators can’t give their voting responsibility to others (the line of questioning to Whitehouse, to which Whitehouse replied he felt it wasn’t unconstitutional, but it was deeply imprudent), which was Specter’s way of emphasizing throughout the day that less than 40% of the Senate and less than 20% of the House even knows what behavior they’re immunizing.  Another of Arlen’s points, which he brought up at least three or four times, was that it was unprecedented for Congress to end cases that had been in progress for years and were now in front of a judge (in this case Vaughn Walker in SF), especially when a decision had found the government’s behavior unconstitutional - he felt this was a real Constitutional error.  Some of the stuff that went back and forth between Specter and Rockefeller was about this point, where Specter boldly spoke that taking the time to decide these cases was the price of Constitutional and civil rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sometimes these guys are just winging it, and they misunderstand each other, and there was also a bit of that between Arlen and Jay.  Jay said something about how the debate had not even mentioned the importance of intelligence, and at least to me it sounded as though it was simple human hurt that not enough of the debate had recognized his attempts to secure good intelligence to protect the country (I deeply disagree with his methods, but I really got the emotional impression he wasn’t bullshitting here, he had really been trying to help).  Arlen seemed to hear that as Jay forgetting that Arlen had chaired the Intelligence Committee, too, and so he and Jay went at each other a bit, two old men tired and open to the simple weakness of human emotion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve been no fan of Specter’s, ever, but I have to say that what I saw of him today nearly moved me to tears.  You may not have seen it on C-SPAN, but he was in the Senate chamber almost all day - far, far more than any other Senator - his hair gone, his body frail, his walk slow and pained, but unwilling to give up on trying to save the Constitution he believed in.  As other Senators would speak he’d be at his desk taking notes, or working with his staff, or sometimes just sitting and thinking.  I don’t agree with his decision to vote for the bill if immunity stays in, or even the substitution idea, and went up to his office to tell his staff afterwards, but I almost don’t care.  If half the Democrats had the balls that Arlen Specter showed today we’d have not only no FISA bill to worry about, we’d have a different President and VP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jesus, I can’t believe Arlen Specter’s going to make me cry.  But it was one of the most moving things I’ve ever seen.  And I hope if I’m ever that old, or that tired, or that weak, I have even half that much courage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I told his staffer was that I really honored what Arlen did today, and that I thought it did justice to the best traditions of the Senate.  And my hope for him, just as a human being, was that he be able to open to what his cancer might bring to him as much as he was willing to fight what it might take from him.  That he could reach across the aisle of his own internal battle to find a compromise not only with an opponent, but a partner and friend.  And in that spirit of compromise and remembrance of friendship, may he love and truly honor the human Senate within himself, and within us all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best wishes,&lt;br /&gt;
Bruce&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the Senate Gallery all day today (well, until about 6:15), may go back again tomorrow &#8211; it’s not every day one gets to see whether the Congress votes to eviscerate the Constitution!  Anyway…</p>
<p>What’s up with Arlen is that he actually cares very, very deeply about the Constitution, and more than any other Senator today spent time trying to emphasize what complete insantity/criminal complicity retroactive immunity is.  And he was doing this from the Republican side, too!  The lines of questioning were Arlen’s attempts (drawing on his prosecutorial background, I thought) to get other Senators to confirm on the record things like Senators can’t give their voting responsibility to others (the line of questioning to Whitehouse, to which Whitehouse replied he felt it wasn’t unconstitutional, but it was deeply imprudent), which was Specter’s way of emphasizing throughout the day that less than 40% of the Senate and less than 20% of the House even knows what behavior they’re immunizing.  Another of Arlen’s points, which he brought up at least three or four times, was that it was unprecedented for Congress to end cases that had been in progress for years and were now in front of a judge (in this case Vaughn Walker in SF), especially when a decision had found the government’s behavior unconstitutional &#8211; he felt this was a real Constitutional error.  Some of the stuff that went back and forth between Specter and Rockefeller was about this point, where Specter boldly spoke that taking the time to decide these cases was the price of Constitutional and civil rights.</p>
<p>Sometimes these guys are just winging it, and they misunderstand each other, and there was also a bit of that between Arlen and Jay.  Jay said something about how the debate had not even mentioned the importance of intelligence, and at least to me it sounded as though it was simple human hurt that not enough of the debate had recognized his attempts to secure good intelligence to protect the country (I deeply disagree with his methods, but I really got the emotional impression he wasn’t bullshitting here, he had really been trying to help).  Arlen seemed to hear that as Jay forgetting that Arlen had chaired the Intelligence Committee, too, and so he and Jay went at each other a bit, two old men tired and open to the simple weakness of human emotion.</p>
<p>I’ve been no fan of Specter’s, ever, but I have to say that what I saw of him today nearly moved me to tears.  You may not have seen it on C-SPAN, but he was in the Senate chamber almost all day &#8211; far, far more than any other Senator &#8211; his hair gone, his body frail, his walk slow and pained, but unwilling to give up on trying to save the Constitution he believed in.  As other Senators would speak he’d be at his desk taking notes, or working with his staff, or sometimes just sitting and thinking.  I don’t agree with his decision to vote for the bill if immunity stays in, or even the substitution idea, and went up to his office to tell his staff afterwards, but I almost don’t care.  If half the Democrats had the balls that Arlen Specter showed today we’d have not only no FISA bill to worry about, we’d have a different President and VP.</p>
<p>Jesus, I can’t believe Arlen Specter’s going to make me cry.  But it was one of the most moving things I’ve ever seen.  And I hope if I’m ever that old, or that tired, or that weak, I have even half that much courage.</p>
<p>What I told his staffer was that I really honored what Arlen did today, and that I thought it did justice to the best traditions of the Senate.  And my hope for him, just as a human being, was that he be able to open to what his cancer might bring to him as much as he was willing to fight what it might take from him.  That he could reach across the aisle of his own internal battle to find a compromise not only with an opponent, but a partner and friend.  And in that spirit of compromise and remembrance of friendship, may he love and truly honor the human Senate within himself, and within us all.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Bruce</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, now THAT’S a great message!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, now THAT’S a great message!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
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		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Cute” and progressively astute and strong are two different things.  Though I don’t think he does too badly.  I can’t keep the constant eye I’d like to on the snakes and reptiles, but he’s usually speaking for me.  And quite well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Cute” and progressively astute and strong are two different things.  Though I don’t think he does too badly.  I can’t keep the constant eye I’d like to on the snakes and reptiles, but he’s usually speaking for me.  And quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, so I’m back after schlepping into Philly for drinking liberally where none of them were up on this afternoon’s dance between Whitehouse, Snarlin’ and Jello.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Has anyone figured out what was going on there? It seemed like it veered off the script.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so I’m back after schlepping into Philly for drinking liberally where none of them were up on this afternoon’s dance between Whitehouse, Snarlin’ and Jello.</p>
<p>Has anyone figured out what was going on there? It seemed like it veered off the script.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Careful.  He’s a Yaley.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful.  He’s a Yaley.</p>
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