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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84278</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ya, is snark.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84277</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let me know if you still want the wardrobe inventory of your Congressbabes and Senatoresses. I can produce it–it’ll just take a bit of time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This confirms my suspicion of your affinity for fabrications. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let me know if you still want the wardrobe inventory of your Congressbabes and Senatoresses. I can produce it–it’ll just take a bit of time.</p>
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<p>This confirms my suspicion of your affinity for fabrications. </p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84261</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There isn’t any invective; I just posed the question why anyone isn’t questioning anybody but Obama anymore on FISA.  FISA facades that defy any logical reason have been the name of the game for two years.  They didn’t originate with Obama and he’s just one of hundreds of elected officials who capitulated to them.  He happens to have won the Democratic nomination.  As far as I know, he had competition for it even after Peurto Rico closed it’s pose in a very dramatic memorial service for the loser.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This brought a smile to my face though.  LHP in flinging invectives at Obama over the Lake proposed that the convention could nominate someone else, and that someone else would be Hillary.  This isn’t about to happen, but there is another suitcase that no one wants to touch including the Clintons or the Fire Dog Lakers and that’s the 3 Pandoras suitcases that were already posed to the Clikntons numerous times in Hillary’s failed quest to be on the ticket as VP. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That suitcase that the Clitons are sitting on has&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) 2007 income tax returns&lt;br /&gt;
2) Foundation contributors&lt;br /&gt;
3) Library contributors&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the large contributors is newly annointed registered sex offender Jeffry Epstein.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think any of this is nuanced abstruce constitutional law PJ.  It’s not a brief in a Diversity case or a Supremacy case with 35 amicus’s to brook–it’s plain fact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me know if you still want the wardrobe inventory of your Congressbabes and Senatoresses. I can produce it–it’ll just take a bit of time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn’t any invective; I just posed the question why anyone isn’t questioning anybody but Obama anymore on FISA.  FISA facades that defy any logical reason have been the name of the game for two years.  They didn’t originate with Obama and he’s just one of hundreds of elected officials who capitulated to them.  He happens to have won the Democratic nomination.  As far as I know, he had competition for it even after Peurto Rico closed it’s pose in a very dramatic memorial service for the loser.</p>
<p>This brought a smile to my face though.  LHP in flinging invectives at Obama over the Lake proposed that the convention could nominate someone else, and that someone else would be Hillary.  This isn’t about to happen, but there is another suitcase that no one wants to touch including the Clintons or the Fire Dog Lakers and that’s the 3 Pandoras suitcases that were already posed to the Clikntons numerous times in Hillary’s failed quest to be on the ticket as VP. </p>
<p>That suitcase that the Clitons are sitting on has</p>
<p>1) 2007 income tax returns<br />
2) Foundation contributors<br />
3) Library contributors</p>
<p>One of the large contributors is newly annointed registered sex offender Jeffry Epstein.</p>
<p>I don’t think any of this is nuanced abstruce constitutional law PJ.  It’s not a brief in a Diversity case or a Supremacy case with 35 amicus’s to brook–it’s plain fact.</p>
<p>Let me know if you still want the wardrobe inventory of your Congressbabes and Senatoresses. I can produce it–it’ll just take a bit of time.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84254</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No invective whatsoever and I know you know my point.  My point is that FDL and the EW commenters have gone nuts on Barack Obama’s disingenuous ridiculous stance on FISA as if he were the only one fucking up.  There is a lot of blame to spread around.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’ve had employees or have them.  And when they stop showing up for weeks without a good reason do you pay them and turn tail and pretend everything is fine?  Hillary Clinton is a US Senator. She hasn’t shown up for weeks for no good reason. She and her husband are having the leadership of the party pried out of their cold dead hands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are all kinds of Senators and Congress people who have turned tail on FISA and ignored their constituents, that is the small percentage of them who have a clue that their has even been a FISA and privacy struggle of any kind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reason there is so much kvetching here and on other blogs is that these Congresspeople and Senators have taken a calculated bet that the voters are composed largely of dumbasses who don’t have a clue about issues and that calculated bet is right on the money.  Therefore they do whatever they like to protect their asses and the Bush administrations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why aren’t you up in arms over your Senators, and no leadership or no peep out of other Senators and other Congresspeople over FISA?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s a question:  Why the fuck isn’t Hillary’s fat pant suit disingenuous lying ass back in the Senate–or in another sense I guess we’re better every day the phony is absent.  I dlon’t hear a peep from Schumner, from members of Senate Judiciary on this, and posting on Obama’s site is a complete waste of time–it’s as usefull as a constituent writing their congressperson or Senator.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve watched people throw invectives around like LHP with “Obama’s lousy health plan” and I haven’t seen a scintilla from LHP as to what she (as if she had a clue) proposes is a sound health plan or where the hell she got her experience wrestling day to day with health plans.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 15% figure from Mark Penn has always been bullshit.  All Penn knows is that with millions of bucks in the bank in NYC he can get health care for his fat ass and his wife althought his doctors haven’t gotten throught to him on cardiac risk have they?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Russert with all his money and connections got much less than state of the art cardiac care as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No invective whatsoever and I know you know my point.  My point is that FDL and the EW commenters have gone nuts on Barack Obama’s disingenuous ridiculous stance on FISA as if he were the only one fucking up.  There is a lot of blame to spread around.</p>
<p>You’ve had employees or have them.  And when they stop showing up for weeks without a good reason do you pay them and turn tail and pretend everything is fine?  Hillary Clinton is a US Senator. She hasn’t shown up for weeks for no good reason. She and her husband are having the leadership of the party pried out of their cold dead hands.</p>
<p>There are all kinds of Senators and Congress people who have turned tail on FISA and ignored their constituents, that is the small percentage of them who have a clue that their has even been a FISA and privacy struggle of any kind.</p>
<p>The reason there is so much kvetching here and on other blogs is that these Congresspeople and Senators have taken a calculated bet that the voters are composed largely of dumbasses who don’t have a clue about issues and that calculated bet is right on the money.  Therefore they do whatever they like to protect their asses and the Bush administrations.</p>
<p>Why aren’t you up in arms over your Senators, and no leadership or no peep out of other Senators and other Congresspeople over FISA?</p>
<p>Here’s a question:  Why the fuck isn’t Hillary’s fat pant suit disingenuous lying ass back in the Senate–or in another sense I guess we’re better every day the phony is absent.  I dlon’t hear a peep from Schumner, from members of Senate Judiciary on this, and posting on Obama’s site is a complete waste of time–it’s as usefull as a constituent writing their congressperson or Senator.</p>
<p>I’ve watched people throw invectives around like LHP with “Obama’s lousy health plan” and I haven’t seen a scintilla from LHP as to what she (as if she had a clue) proposes is a sound health plan or where the hell she got her experience wrestling day to day with health plans.  </p>
<p>The 15% figure from Mark Penn has always been bullshit.  All Penn knows is that with millions of bucks in the bank in NYC he can get health care for his fat ass and his wife althought his doctors haven’t gotten throught to him on cardiac risk have they?</p>
<p>And Russert with all his money and connections got much less than state of the art cardiac care as well.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84166</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pete, I know you have a point somewhere in there, but it’s getting lost in all the invective.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, I know you have a point somewhere in there, but it’s getting lost in all the invective.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84149</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I expect both Clintons who graduated Yale, to understand the nuances.  I believe Obama does, and he’s just taking a ridiculous stance and pretending not to.  I guarantee Greg Craig and a number of his collegues and one I know who has won cases 9-zip at the Supreme Court and was the brains behind Clinton’s defense understands the nuances that have been parsed here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Clintons have remained silent on FISA. I have neither heard a hiccup or a burp out of Hillary Clinton who has yet to return to her job we pay her for in the Senate on FISA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Correspondingly, I haven’t seen a hiccup or a burp by any commenter on the lack of leadership from all other Senators, from Clinton, from Bill Clinton by any commenters on EW or FDL as well.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Hillary immediately flunked the D.C. Bar, and never had the guts or solutions to go  back or the Norma Rae fighter to go back and take it again as she often has told everyone what a fighter she is (she didn’t have any fight in her to go after her flunked bar) and yes I know there is zip correlation betwseen bar exams, medical exams and clinical or legal competenence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect both Clintons who graduated Yale, to understand the nuances.  I believe Obama does, and he’s just taking a ridiculous stance and pretending not to.  I guarantee Greg Craig and a number of his collegues and one I know who has won cases 9-zip at the Supreme Court and was the brains behind Clinton’s defense understands the nuances that have been parsed here.</p>
<p>The Clintons have remained silent on FISA. I have neither heard a hiccup or a burp out of Hillary Clinton who has yet to return to her job we pay her for in the Senate on FISA.</p>
<p><strong>Correspondingly, I haven’t seen a hiccup or a burp by any commenter on the lack of leadership from all other Senators, from Clinton, from Bill Clinton by any commenters on EW or FDL as well.</strong></p>
<p> Hillary immediately flunked the D.C. Bar, and never had the guts or solutions to go  back or the Norma Rae fighter to go back and take it again as she often has told everyone what a fighter she is (she didn’t have any fight in her to go after her flunked bar) and yes I know there is zip correlation betwseen bar exams, medical exams and clinical or legal competenence.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84147</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Homeland Sec Dept is holding a &lt;strike&gt;post passage of neoFISA celebration&lt;/strike&gt; public workshop on “Implementing Privacy Protections in Government Data Mining” in late July 2008 and is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2008/07/dhs072408.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;accepting related comments from the public&lt;/a&gt; by July 17.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps people have seen Aftergood’s posted link to the 100pp June 2008 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RL34533.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CRS study&lt;/a&gt; of concordance between House and Senate versions of neoFISA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Homeland Sec Dept is holding a <strike>post passage of neoFISA celebration</strike> public workshop on “Implementing Privacy Protections in Government Data Mining” in late July 2008 and is <a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2008/07/dhs072408.html" rel="nofollow">accepting related comments from the public</a> by July 17.</p>
<p>Perhaps people have seen Aftergood’s posted link to the 100pp June 2008 <a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RL34533.pdf" rel="nofollow">CRS study</a> of concordance between House and Senate versions of neoFISA.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84141</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/384676.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Edwards vs Bush’s Brain&lt;/a&gt; Sep 26 at the University of Buffalo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT</p>
<p><a href="http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/384676.html" rel="nofollow">John Edwards vs Bush’s Brain</a> Sep 26 at the University of Buffalo</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84139</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lots of Canadians think Moosehead sucks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of Canadians think Moosehead sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/04/fighting-for-our-country-on-the-fourth/comment-page-2/#comment-84127</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For a lawyer, and a con law teacher, I expect Mr Obama to have a better understanding of this piece-o-crap bill. I also expect him to pay more attention to the solid legal analysis here and at other blogs than to the proven liars running Congress and in the WH.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I ordered several of &lt;a href=&quot;http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/it-looks-good-on-paper&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that ‘bumpersticker for the rest of us’&lt;/a&gt; that I mentioned way upthread. ‘Get disappointed by someone new’ indeed.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I just had to quote Feingold’s points elsewhere, at someone who’s bought into the line about additional protection for Americans overseas. (My first response was a bit more heated.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a lawyer, and a con law teacher, I expect Mr Obama to have a better understanding of this piece-o-crap bill. I also expect him to pay more attention to the solid legal analysis here and at other blogs than to the proven liars running Congress and in the WH.</p>
<p>(I ordered several of <a href="http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/it-looks-good-on-paper" rel="nofollow">that ‘bumpersticker for the rest of us’</a> that I mentioned way upthread. ‘Get disappointed by someone new’ indeed.)</p>
<p>And I just had to quote Feingold’s points elsewhere, at someone who’s bought into the line about additional protection for Americans overseas. (My first response was a bit more heated.)</p>
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