Comments on: I Don’t Think “Accountability” Means What Obama Thinks It Does

By: timbo

timbo — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:59:01 +0000

And, Mr. Obama, who will hold the Inspector Generals responsible? The Democratic Party? It’s sickening to see the erosion of law in the United States. Other countries should take serious notice now that no mainstream American politician with any significant influence seems destined to uphold the rule of law. It is a sad day and the Constitutional crisis that is the current “two party” system continues to erode the Republic…

By: bmaz

bmaz — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:09:17 +0000

The bill is neither good nor palatable. I, for one, would be interested in exactly what you base such a statement on. From where I stand, in making such a statement, you either understand very little about the details and effects of the FAA or you have a lot less respect for the Constitution as a whole and the 4th Amendment in particular, as well as the inherent separation of powers, than I do. Oh, and as to the frail hope for amendment of the bill, the procedure has been st already by Reid, and there is effectively zero chance of any amendment passing under the time frame and procedural framework set by the unanimous consent agreement engineered by Mr. Reid. I respect your opinion and right to express it, but I could not disagree with it, nor challenge it’s root validity any more vehemently. Mr. Obama’s value as a historical candidate does not preempt the enduring primacy of the need to protect and uphold the Constitution. No man is more important than the principles and edicts that are within the four corners of the Constitution, and the actions of Obama, and those who would rationalize them, are an affront to the founding fathers, the Constitution they crafted, the ethos of America and the legions of men and women that have fought and died to protect and honor the same since the time of this country’s birth.

By: MarkH

MarkH — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:57:42 +0000

EW, I’ve already written about FISA on another FDL post, so I won’t repeat it here.

Essentially, I think we’re talking past one another and we really have a lot of the same goals. If the more Liberal senators can amend the bill (who knows whether Reid will allow that) I think a lot of good might come of it. But, don’t expect too much from Repubs on any amendment(s).

Let’s not make some ideal perfect the enemy of the good, going in either the direction you want or the more pragmatic political direction Obama and the more conservative Dem senators want. Let’s hope the Senate finds all the good bits and that the bill comes out super duper great instead of just palatable.

By: BillE

BillE — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:13:10 +0000

I couldn’t read the all the comments, sorry if this was mentioned up thread. The fix was in clearly, Dem leadership that was complicit in Bush shenanigans needed it covered up. Obama gets the super D’s cause he had the lead and would do what he has.

By: Julia

Julia — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:56:49 +0000

I think it’s more likely to have been Hillary’s previous campaign manager. You know, that guy, used to work for Bill and Rahm Emanuel.

What’s he been doing lately?

By: PetePierce

PetePierce — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:51:27 +0000

It’s probably better to spell it Wacker drive *g* your choice.

By: PetePierce

PetePierce — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:50:09 +0000

This video says its at the intersection of Michigan Ave. and Whacker Drive and if you send to any of those Obama faxes you’re going to get your fax lost in a sea of thousands of faxes a week or day.

If you want your message read I’d use Greg Craigs Williams and Connolly email.

By: PJEvans

PJEvans — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:22:28 +0000

I have more than one e-mail address. I get stuff sent to the one I don’t care about, and I delete it at my pleasure. (I also signed up only for the anti-immunity group and set my account to no e-mails, digest only. Pain in the neck, they need a better site design.) No one says you have to read the stuff they send.

I know he’s not perfect, I know his opinions sometimes are opposed to mine, but I think he’s probably smart enough to know he won’t get his way on a lot of stuff, and that we do count. (Not something I get from McSame.)

But his stand on this bill is wrong, and I want him to know it’s wrong and why. Some of the stuff in it is, well, too close for comfort to the reasons listed in ‘When, in the Course’.

Dammit, I expect better from him than this kind of crap.

By: wigwam

wigwam — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:12:57 +0000

Glenn has replied to Obama’s FISA reply: http://utdocuments.blogspot.co.....-fisa.html

By: BayStateLibrul

BayStateLibrul — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:09:55 +0000

Lucid and penetrating — That’s the issue, in a nutshell.