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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks. Resources such as those are useful for learning terminology as well as facts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Resources such as those are useful for learning terminology as well as facts.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT - “Delayed” Rand Report for the US Army on &lt;strong&gt;Prewar Planning and the Occupation of Iraq&lt;/strong&gt; now available online.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Full Report (273 page PDF) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG642.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
Summary Report (17 page PDF) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG642.sum.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; “Delayed” Rand Report for the US Army on <strong>Prewar Planning and the Occupation of Iraq</strong> now available online.</p>
<p>Full Report (273 page PDF) <a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG642.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br />
Summary Report (17 page PDF) <a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG642.sum.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry I missed your link.  That four part series was taken off the Fox website so fast in the fall of 2001 it could have made your head spin.  Now it is listed on the web under some twisted titles…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really something that Aipac could still retain so  much power after it’s top officials Rosen and Weismann have been indicted for passing highly classified intelligence off to Israeli officials.  No one in the MSM… few in the so called “progressive” blogosphere will get near this topic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed your link.  That four part series was taken off the Fox website so fast in the fall of 2001 it could have made your head spin.  Now it is listed on the web under some twisted titles…</p>
<p>Really something that Aipac could still retain so  much power after it’s top officials Rosen and Weismann have been indicted for passing highly classified intelligence off to Israeli officials.  No one in the MSM… few in the so called “progressive” blogosphere will get near this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: nomolos</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomolos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.reallyrocketscience.com/node/872&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Think this was purely accidental?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Seems the cut was somewhere between Palermo, Sicily, and Alexandria, Egypt. That sounds like the South East Asia-Middle East-West Europe 4 (SEA-ME-WE 4) cable, which has 17 landing points connected:&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marseilles, France&lt;br /&gt;
Annaba, Algeria&lt;br /&gt;
Bizerte, Tunisia&lt;br /&gt;
Palermo, Italy&lt;br /&gt;
Alexandria, Egypt&lt;br /&gt;
Cairo, Egypt (overland)&lt;br /&gt;
Suez, Egypt (overland/return to submarine)&lt;br /&gt;
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia&lt;br /&gt;
Fujairah, United Arab Emirates&lt;br /&gt;
Karachi, Pakistan&lt;br /&gt;
Mumbai, India&lt;br /&gt;
Colombo, Sri Lanka&lt;br /&gt;
Chennai, India&lt;br /&gt;
Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh&lt;br /&gt;
Satun, Thailand&lt;br /&gt;
Melaka/Malacca, Malaysia&lt;br /&gt;
Tuas, Singapore&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.reallyrocketscience.com/node/872" rel="nofollow">Think this was purely accidental?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Seems the cut was somewhere between Palermo, Sicily, and Alexandria, Egypt. That sounds like the South East Asia-Middle East-West Europe 4 (SEA-ME-WE 4) cable, which has 17 landing points connected:</p></blockquote>
<p>Marseilles, France<br />
Annaba, Algeria<br />
Bizerte, Tunisia<br />
Palermo, Italy<br />
Alexandria, Egypt<br />
Cairo, Egypt (overland)<br />
Suez, Egypt (overland/return to submarine)<br />
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia<br />
Fujairah, United Arab Emirates<br />
Karachi, Pakistan<br />
Mumbai, India<br />
Colombo, Sri Lanka<br />
Chennai, India<br />
Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh<br />
Satun, Thailand<br />
Melaka/Malacca, Malaysia<br />
Tuas, Singapore</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I posted about this last week. Wasn’t the Brit Hume report interesting too?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here it is again:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://100777.com/node/180&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://100777.com/node/180&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enjoy the whole FOX report…It’s amazing and why I think everyone is so pressured (from AIPAC/Israel) to vote yes for the Hoyer compromise. Hoyer has quite the record for introducing AIPAC based legislation, it’s unusual in proportion to his other sponsored legislation. The math speaks. He practically takes legislation penned by AIPAC and walks it through. So, in light of this story, anyone can do the math…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Speaking of math, math can be so helpful sometimes to see the big picture. Especially when looking at different countries, their population representation as compared to within the country versus the world and the % of different population groups and their representation in different governments around the world.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I posted about this last week. Wasn’t the Brit Hume report interesting too?</p>
<p>Here it is again:</p>
<p><a href="http://100777.com/node/180" rel="nofollow">http://100777.com/node/180</a></p>
<p>Enjoy the whole FOX report…It’s amazing and why I think everyone is so pressured (from AIPAC/Israel) to vote yes for the Hoyer compromise. Hoyer has quite the record for introducing AIPAC based legislation, it’s unusual in proportion to his other sponsored legislation. The math speaks. He practically takes legislation penned by AIPAC and walks it through. So, in light of this story, anyone can do the math…</p>
<p>Speaking of math, math can be so helpful sometimes to see the big picture. Especially when looking at different countries, their population representation as compared to within the country versus the world and the % of different population groups and their representation in different governments around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wonder if he was working for Amdocs or Comverse Infosys the Israeli based communication companies that have “allegedly” been used to spy in the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is one of the most complete articles written about this issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;June 2, 2008 Issue&lt;br /&gt;
Copyright © 2008 The American Conservative&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Spy Who Loves Us&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by Philip Giraldi  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel conducts much of its high-tech spying through its corporate presence in the United States. It is heavily embedded in the telecommunications industry, which permits access to the exchange of information. The Whitewater investigation revealed that President Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that their phone-sex conversations might have been recorded by a foreign government. That foreign government would have been Israel, where government and business work hand-in-hand in the high-tech sector, and many former government officials and military officers hold senior management positions. The corporations, in return, receive large contracts with the Israeli government and the Israel Defense Forces.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Two Israeli companies in particular—Amdocs and Comverse Infosys, both of which are headquartered in Israel—do significant business in the United States. Amdocs, which has contracts with the 25 largest telephone companies in the U.S. that together handle 90 percent of all calls made, logs all calls that go out and come in on the system. It does not record the conversations themselves, but the records provide patterns, referred to as “traffic analysis,” that can provide intelligence leads. In 1999, the National Security Agency warned that records of calls made in the United States were winding up in Israel. Amdocs also has an apparent relationship with some of the art students who were arrested in 2001. Several were provided with bond money by an Amdocs executive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Comverse Infosys provides wiretapping equipment to law enforcement throughout the United States and also has large contracts with the Israeli government, which reimburses up to 50 percent of the company’s research and development costs. Because equipment used to tap phones for law enforcement is integrated into the networks that phone companies operate, it cannot be detected. Phone calls are intercepted, recorded, stored, and transmitted to investigators by Comverse, which claims that it has to be “hands on” with its equipment to maintain the system. Many experts believe that it is relatively easy to create a so-called “back door” that permits the recording to be sent to a second party, unknown to the authorized law-enforcement recipient. And Comverse equipment has never been inspected by FBI or NSA experts to determine whether the information it collects can be leaked, reportedly because senior government managers block such inquiries.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;According to a Fox News investigative report, which was later deleted from Fox’s website under pressure from various pro-Israel groups, DEA and FBI sources say that even to suggest that Israel might be spying using Comverse “is considered career suicide.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder if he was working for Amdocs or Comverse Infosys the Israeli based communication companies that have “allegedly” been used to spy in the U.S.</p>
<p>This is one of the most complete articles written about this issue.<br /><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html</a></p>
<p>June 2, 2008 Issue<br />
Copyright © 2008 The American Conservative</p>
<p>The Spy Who Loves Us</p>
<p>Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.</p>
<p>by Philip Giraldi  </p>
<p>Israel conducts much of its high-tech spying through its corporate presence in the United States. It is heavily embedded in the telecommunications industry, which permits access to the exchange of information. The Whitewater investigation revealed that President Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that their phone-sex conversations might have been recorded by a foreign government. That foreign government would have been Israel, where government and business work hand-in-hand in the high-tech sector, and many former government officials and military officers hold senior management positions. The corporations, in return, receive large contracts with the Israeli government and the Israel Defense Forces.</p>
<p>Two Israeli companies in particular—Amdocs and Comverse Infosys, both of which are headquartered in Israel—do significant business in the United States. Amdocs, which has contracts with the 25 largest telephone companies in the U.S. that together handle 90 percent of all calls made, logs all calls that go out and come in on the system. It does not record the conversations themselves, but the records provide patterns, referred to as “traffic analysis,” that can provide intelligence leads. In 1999, the National Security Agency warned that records of calls made in the United States were winding up in Israel. Amdocs also has an apparent relationship with some of the art students who were arrested in 2001. Several were provided with bond money by an Amdocs executive.</p>
<p>Comverse Infosys provides wiretapping equipment to law enforcement throughout the United States and also has large contracts with the Israeli government, which reimburses up to 50 percent of the company’s research and development costs. Because equipment used to tap phones for law enforcement is integrated into the networks that phone companies operate, it cannot be detected. Phone calls are intercepted, recorded, stored, and transmitted to investigators by Comverse, which claims that it has to be “hands on” with its equipment to maintain the system. Many experts believe that it is relatively easy to create a so-called “back door” that permits the recording to be sent to a second party, unknown to the authorized law-enforcement recipient. And Comverse equipment has never been inspected by FBI or NSA experts to determine whether the information it collects can be leaked, reportedly because senior government managers block such inquiries.</p>
<p>According to a Fox News investigative report, which was later deleted from Fox’s website under pressure from various pro-Israel groups, DEA and FBI sources say that even to suggest that Israel might be spying using Comverse “is considered career suicide.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_06_02/cover.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“convince &lt;strike&gt;up&lt;/strike&gt; us”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“convince <strike>up</strike> us”</p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So that’s it then…the end of the experiment in free &amp; democratic government. ….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our executive should-be protectors along with most of our legislators want to convince up that we live in such dangerous times that ideals codified as rights must give ground. In the time of the Framers, even with the best available scouts and allies, there was no assurance that an imminent attack could be detected early enough to fully prepare for it. A pathogen introduced accidentally or intentionally could decimate local populations, and there was no effective medical treatment for many contagious and noncontagious diseases. Debilitating and lethal accidents were common. There were storms, fires, and the possibility of unforeseen natural disasters.  No one considered living to three score and ten to be more likely than not. The Framers could have played up fear more easily than our government lawmakers and executives can, but it wasn’t what they were about.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So that’s it then…the end of the experiment in free &amp; democratic government. ….</p>
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<p>Our executive should-be protectors along with most of our legislators want to convince up that we live in such dangerous times that ideals codified as rights must give ground. In the time of the Framers, even with the best available scouts and allies, there was no assurance that an imminent attack could be detected early enough to fully prepare for it. A pathogen introduced accidentally or intentionally could decimate local populations, and there was no effective medical treatment for many contagious and noncontagious diseases. Debilitating and lethal accidents were common. There were storms, fires, and the possibility of unforeseen natural disasters.  No one considered living to three score and ten to be more likely than not. The Framers could have played up fear more easily than our government lawmakers and executives can, but it wasn’t what they were about.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thus, I find the timing of the announcement of charges against Nashiri irt bombing the USS Cole suspect…shiny terror object to distract us…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thus, I find the timing of the announcement of charges against Nashiri irt bombing the USS Cole suspect…shiny terror object to distract us…</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 13:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey EW,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s an interesting article over at Guardian about Iran/Israel tensions due to, surprise, espionage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/nuclear.iran&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....clear.iran&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Iran yesterday sentenced a businessman to death after a court convicted him of spying on the country’s military and nuclear programme for Israel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ali Ashtari, 45, was identified by Iranian media as the manager of a company selling communications and security equipment to the government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ashtari had been paid by the Mossad secret service and had caused “irreparable damage”, it was reported. Israel denied any knowledge of the case, which is standard procedure in espionage.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey EW,</p>
<p>Here’s an interesting article over at Guardian about Iran/Israel tensions due to, surprise, espionage.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/nuclear.iran" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl&#8230;..clear.iran</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Iran yesterday sentenced a businessman to death after a court convicted him of spying on the country’s military and nuclear programme for Israel.</p>
<p>Ali Ashtari, 45, was identified by Iranian media as the manager of a company selling communications and security equipment to the government.</p>
<p>Ashtari had been paid by the Mossad secret service and had caused “irreparable damage”, it was reported. Israel denied any knowledge of the case, which is standard procedure in espionage.</p>
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