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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/are-cheney-and-bush-in-a-lovers-quarrel/#comment-82976</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, my…&lt;br /&gt;
A few more sinister dots connect, I see.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my…<br />
A few more sinister dots connect, I see.</p>
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		<title>By: rteolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>rteolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I watched the Addington “Barnacle Branch” testimony over many times at several blogs this weekend and the whole time I felt it reminded me of something. He issued no statement but submitted exhibits the purpose of which I’m sure he thought would be obvious to the committee. Then it hit me - it reminded me of watching Colin Ferguson - subway shooter - defending himself in court. He spoke lucidly at times, arrogant the whole time, occasionally confused by questions because he was too busy listening to himself.  Like Ferguson, Addington had the justification for his actions locked in his twisted mind. Clearly, he feels that everyone is beneath him in terms of ideals and intellect. Reminds me of the old saying: when it seems like everyone around you is crazy, the truth is that you’re the crazy one. Now that Mugabe has been sworn in for a 6th term, Addington may want to apply for a job in his administration.  Seems it would be a better fit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the Addington “Barnacle Branch” testimony over many times at several blogs this weekend and the whole time I felt it reminded me of something. He issued no statement but submitted exhibits the purpose of which I’m sure he thought would be obvious to the committee. Then it hit me &#8211; it reminded me of watching Colin Ferguson &#8211; subway shooter &#8211; defending himself in court. He spoke lucidly at times, arrogant the whole time, occasionally confused by questions because he was too busy listening to himself.  Like Ferguson, Addington had the justification for his actions locked in his twisted mind. Clearly, he feels that everyone is beneath him in terms of ideals and intellect. Reminds me of the old saying: when it seems like everyone around you is crazy, the truth is that you’re the crazy one. Now that Mugabe has been sworn in for a 6th term, Addington may want to apply for a job in his administration.  Seems it would be a better fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/are-cheney-and-bush-in-a-lovers-quarrel/#comment-82833</link>
		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why didn’t they just have addington arrested ?? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;committee member [cm]: mr addington [ad] you are not an employee of the executive branch ? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ad: no sir i am not .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cm: then are you sir an officer of the senate ?? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ad: no sir i am not ..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cm: and you are not an officer or a member of the peoples house .. i would know it if you were .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ad: no sir i am not .. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;committee chairman: sargeant-at-arms!!!  place this man under arrest for impersonating an officer of the government …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why didn’t they just have addington arrested ?? </p>
<p>committee member [cm]: mr addington [ad] you are not an employee of the executive branch ? </p>
<p>ad: no sir i am not .. </p>
<p>cm: then are you sir an officer of the senate ?? </p>
<p>ad: no sir i am not ..</p>
<p>cm: and you are not an officer or a member of the peoples house .. i would know it if you were .. </p>
<p>ad: no sir i am not .. </p>
<p>committee chairman: sargeant-at-arms!!!  place this man under arrest for impersonating an officer of the government …</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I guess the long daggers are coming out.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am wondering about the tarantula-scorpion metaphor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I guess the long daggers are coming out.”</p>
<p>I am wondering about the tarantula-scorpion metaphor.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/are-cheney-and-bush-in-a-lovers-quarrel/#comment-82754</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What Deadeye lived for was the James Bond derring-do Operational types. Better than any amount of Viagra, Deadeye fantasized about all those “Bad Boys” kicking Al Qaeda ass. These are the things that gave him pleasure and helped drag his sorry butt out of the bunker every morning.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What relationship did Cheney have with Reagan’s CIA director, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Casey&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;William Casey&lt;/a&gt;? You remember that Casey conveniently died just before having to testify on Iran-Contra, and had a reputation as a CIA ‘cowboy’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What Deadeye lived for was the James Bond derring-do Operational types. Better than any amount of Viagra, Deadeye fantasized about all those “Bad Boys” kicking Al Qaeda ass. These are the things that gave him pleasure and helped drag his sorry butt out of the bunker every morning.</p>
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<p>What relationship did Cheney have with Reagan’s CIA director, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Casey" rel="nofollow">William Casey</a>? You remember that Casey conveniently died just before having to testify on Iran-Contra, and had a reputation as a CIA ‘cowboy’.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL Cheney’s not about to be on the ticket with McSame.  He has enough problems on a fronts without locking that in the 20’s approval rating and any of Bush around his neck.  He appeared with him for all of what 20 seconds on the street out of the way of cameras a couple months ago.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Cheney’s not about to be on the ticket with McSame.  He has enough problems on a fronts without locking that in the 20’s approval rating and any of Bush around his neck.  He appeared with him for all of what 20 seconds on the street out of the way of cameras a couple months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/are-cheney-and-bush-in-a-lovers-quarrel/#comment-82645</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it goes back to nixon’s detante&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cheney and rumsfeld wanted to undermine the treaty so they invented a “team b” and tasked them with manufacturing threats the cia said in no uncertain terms did not exist&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if you remember the movie “hunt for red october”, it was based on cheneys false claims of some submarine that was SO good, “even the cia didn’t know about it”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cheney had a history of manufacturing data long before we attacked Iraq and it is really disturbing we let him do it again&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the real cia is doing their very best to prevent him from doing it to us with Iran&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0213-28.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here’s &lt;/a&gt;an excellant article documenting those events&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and mind you, that article was authored before we attacked Iraq&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3defm8SQ9o&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here’s a youtube&lt;/a&gt; which also documents these manaics behavior&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it goes back to nixon’s detante</p>
<p>cheney and rumsfeld wanted to undermine the treaty so they invented a “team b” and tasked them with manufacturing threats the cia said in no uncertain terms did not exist</p>
<p>if you remember the movie “hunt for red october”, it was based on cheneys false claims of some submarine that was SO good, “even the cia didn’t know about it”</p>
<p>cheney had a history of manufacturing data long before we attacked Iraq and it is really disturbing we let him do it again</p>
<p>the real cia is doing their very best to prevent him from doing it to us with Iran</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0213-28.htm" rel="nofollow">here’s </a>an excellant article documenting those events</p>
<p>and mind you, that article was authored before we attacked Iraq</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3defm8SQ9o" rel="nofollow">here’s a youtube</a> which also documents these manaics behavior</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/28/are-cheney-and-bush-in-a-lovers-quarrel/#comment-82644</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just put up a post on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just put up a post on it.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve posted these links before irt Cheney and EX Priv and balance of powers. The language in these docs give some insight for me regarding Addington’s attitude, view of VP powers and Ex powers/priv. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020206.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020206.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.duke.edu/publiclaw/supremecourtonline/commentary/chevuni&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.law.duke.edu/public.....ry/chevuni&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the latter link:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cheney is also significant for what the Court’s opinion did not discuss. While showing sensitivity to the separation of powers, nowhere does the Court address the bold constitutional theory of presidential autonomy developed in the government’s briefs. The government argued that if FACA were interpreted to encompass the de facto member doctrine and to justify discovery against the Vice President, the statute would then be unconstitutional.  This was so because the Task Force was gathering information and developing policy under the express direction of the President, who was exercising his textual constitutional power to seek opinions from his cabinet and to prepare to recommend “such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” These powers, plus his obligation to report on the State of the Union, provide “specific textual foundations for the President’s powers to gather information and develop policy . . . [and are] not subject to manipulation or interference by the Congress.” The government’s brief concluded that “[i]nterference with the President’s advice- and information-gathering activities is no less unconstitutional when it affects the exercise of his Recommendations or Opinion Clause authority than when it touches on his power to grant pardons, nominate judges, or to have legislation presented for his approval or veto.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Had this breathtaking approach to Presidential power been adopted, it would have resulted in far stronger protection from disclosure of executive branch communications and deliberations than is provided by the doctrine of executive privilege. Approaching the issue in Cheney as an application of the principle of executive privilege set forth in Nixon would eventually produce a balancing analysis, weighing the interests served by disclosure against the burdens on Presidential confidentiality and autonomy. Greater need for the information (for example, when information is critical to a specific legislative decision) tips the balance in favor of disclosure; greater need for confidentiality of the information (for example, when national security is directly implicated) tips the balance in favor of non-disclosure. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The claim presented in the government’s Cheney briefs is that the processes of Presidential advice- and information-gathering are beyond Congress’ power to regulate.  Activities of the executive branch beyond Congress’ power to regulate are also beyond Congress’ power of inquiry or investigation as well. See Barenblatt v. United States. No balancing of competing interests is appropriate because Congress lacks any authority to interfere or inquire. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some interesting thoughts…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve posted these links before irt Cheney and EX Priv and balance of powers. The language in these docs give some insight for me regarding Addington’s attitude, view of VP powers and Ex powers/priv. </p>
<p><a href="http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020206.html" rel="nofollow">http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020206.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.duke.edu/publiclaw/supremecourtonline/commentary/chevuni" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.duke.edu/public&#8230;..ry/chevuni</a></p>
<p>From the latter link:</p>
<blockquote><p>Cheney is also significant for what the Court’s opinion did not discuss. While showing sensitivity to the separation of powers, nowhere does the Court address the bold constitutional theory of presidential autonomy developed in the government’s briefs. The government argued that if FACA were interpreted to encompass the de facto member doctrine and to justify discovery against the Vice President, the statute would then be unconstitutional.  This was so because the Task Force was gathering information and developing policy under the express direction of the President, who was exercising his textual constitutional power to seek opinions from his cabinet and to prepare to recommend “such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” These powers, plus his obligation to report on the State of the Union, provide “specific textual foundations for the President’s powers to gather information and develop policy . . . [and are] not subject to manipulation or interference by the Congress.” The government’s brief concluded that “[i]nterference with the President’s advice- and information-gathering activities is no less unconstitutional when it affects the exercise of his Recommendations or Opinion Clause authority than when it touches on his power to grant pardons, nominate judges, or to have legislation presented for his approval or veto.” </p>
<p>Had this breathtaking approach to Presidential power been adopted, it would have resulted in far stronger protection from disclosure of executive branch communications and deliberations than is provided by the doctrine of executive privilege. Approaching the issue in Cheney as an application of the principle of executive privilege set forth in Nixon would eventually produce a balancing analysis, weighing the interests served by disclosure against the burdens on Presidential confidentiality and autonomy. Greater need for the information (for example, when information is critical to a specific legislative decision) tips the balance in favor of disclosure; greater need for confidentiality of the information (for example, when national security is directly implicated) tips the balance in favor of non-disclosure. </p>
<p>The claim presented in the government’s Cheney briefs is that the processes of Presidential advice- and information-gathering are beyond Congress’ power to regulate.  Activities of the executive branch beyond Congress’ power to regulate are also beyond Congress’ power of inquiry or investigation as well. See Barenblatt v. United States. No balancing of competing interests is appropriate because Congress lacks any authority to interfere or inquire. </p>
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<p>Some interesting thoughts…</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;64 - you could probably bold Duberstein as well, he’s certainly been in the thick of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sy Hersh’s new piece is out.  Cheney has NOT been losing on the  Iran front.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh?printable=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.newyorker.com/repor.....table=true&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64 &#8211; you could probably bold Duberstein as well, he’s certainly been in the thick of it.</p>
<p>Sy Hersh’s new piece is out.  Cheney has NOT been losing on the  Iran front.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh?printable=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/repor&#8230;..table=true</a></p>
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