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	<title>Comments on: First DOJ IG Report on Politicization</title>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-81027</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suppose this is the kind of context that EW’s going meta on Ghorbanifar time line permits us.  But defining, recognizing, proving or testing the validity of meta-analysis is a ambitious endeavor.  That is not deny that movements can have overriding spirits.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With the rash of IG reports, a kind of executive branch self-disclosure, some kind of grand bargain has to be in the offing where one aspect is in an attempt to minimize W’s ultimate culpability. This much like the fact that Feith, Rove, Libby, Fleisher, Gonzales, Haynes, Meir etc. are no longer being a part of the administration attempts to isolate and minimize culpability. Its really not so much of a “the buck stops here” approach now is it? Still we can only speculate from the effects or, cheers, its firewalls &amp; grand bargains then.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then there is a strategic question that arises from rkilowatt’s observations in the Ghorbanifar II thread concerning the petro-anglo-oligarchy’s use of royal families in managing the global oil trade.  Obviously there is some historical truth there and it makes W’s focus on some kind of representative process in Iraq all the more curious, especially if his vision is of the kind of democracy that seems to be emerging here in the “homeland” with new sovereign powers being vested in corporate constituencies. Is this a true strategic shift?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I would still really like to know if anyone has any clear sense of whether continued inquiry into the operations of Francis Brookes with the INC would amount to a worth while endeavor or not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose this is the kind of context that EW’s going meta on Ghorbanifar time line permits us.  But defining, recognizing, proving or testing the validity of meta-analysis is a ambitious endeavor.  That is not deny that movements can have overriding spirits.  </p>
<p>With the rash of IG reports, a kind of executive branch self-disclosure, some kind of grand bargain has to be in the offing where one aspect is in an attempt to minimize W’s ultimate culpability. This much like the fact that Feith, Rove, Libby, Fleisher, Gonzales, Haynes, Meir etc. are no longer being a part of the administration attempts to isolate and minimize culpability. Its really not so much of a “the buck stops here” approach now is it? Still we can only speculate from the effects or, cheers, its firewalls &amp; grand bargains then.  </p>
<p>And then there is a strategic question that arises from rkilowatt’s observations in the Ghorbanifar II thread concerning the petro-anglo-oligarchy’s use of royal families in managing the global oil trade.  Obviously there is some historical truth there and it makes W’s focus on some kind of representative process in Iraq all the more curious, especially if his vision is of the kind of democracy that seems to be emerging here in the “homeland” with new sovereign powers being vested in corporate constituencies. Is this a true strategic shift?</p>
<p>Finally, I would still really like to know if anyone has any clear sense of whether continued inquiry into the operations of Francis Brookes with the INC would amount to a worth while endeavor or not?</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80981</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Little whets Howie’s appetite like thwacking Carney.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little whets Howie’s appetite like thwacking Carney.</p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80971</link>
		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey ew,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;already did, and he replied he’ll likely write something up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey ew,</p>
<p>already did, and he replied he’ll likely write something up.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80962</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might forward that to Howie as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might forward that to Howie as well.</p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80957</link>
		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;just got an e-mail from chris carney’s campaign with the subject header: “republicans for carney”.  in it a nice woman told me all about how his values are so like her values, and urged me to join her and her fellow republicans in supporting his re-election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;campaign carney picked a verrrry bad day to send me this e-mail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i believe i will use all 7 of mr. carlin’s words in my reply.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just got an e-mail from chris carney’s campaign with the subject header: “republicans for carney”.  in it a nice woman told me all about how his values are so like her values, and urged me to join her and her fellow republicans in supporting his re-election.</p>
<p>campaign carney picked a verrrry bad day to send me this e-mail.</p>
<p>i believe i will use all 7 of mr. carlin’s words in my reply.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80954</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All absolutely accurate. But IMO a lot of that was caused by a phenomenon which seems to emerge &amp; repeat in so-called ‘national security crises’ situations IE those who rise up &amp; give voice to the facts in such times very often pay the price for their righteous indignation by losing - leading to a weakened voice for truth &amp; a stronger contingency of the cowering survivors. Eric Alterman’s book on presidential fibs shows this happened with Viet Nam &amp; it occurred before during the reign of McCarthy &amp; it happened to a lot of Dems before the truth of the Iran-Contra scandal started to emerge &amp; the Bush Cheney Syndicate exploited it in securing their ‘mandate’ in the 2002 mid-terms. I don’t know how many times I’ve tried to engage friends &amp; acquaintenances in some depth on the war in Iraq only to be shut out with responses like “I don’t care about quibbles” &amp; “Just look at the facts: no attacks since 9/11″ &amp; “That’s in the past- what matters now is going forward”. Good decent Russert-thinking burghers &amp; typical citizen electors all of them. I think it may be somewhat the same with global warming- a preference for living in wilful blindness that surely those in charge are far more knowledgeable than anyone they’d ever get to know personally &amp; an apprehension that even a peak into the issues would shatter that comforting illusion combined with a concern that most folks cannot reasonably expect to get on with their lives were they to learned otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All absolutely accurate. But IMO a lot of that was caused by a phenomenon which seems to emerge &amp; repeat in so-called ‘national security crises’ situations IE those who rise up &amp; give voice to the facts in such times very often pay the price for their righteous indignation by losing &#8211; leading to a weakened voice for truth &amp; a stronger contingency of the cowering survivors. Eric Alterman’s book on presidential fibs shows this happened with Viet Nam &amp; it occurred before during the reign of McCarthy &amp; it happened to a lot of Dems before the truth of the Iran-Contra scandal started to emerge &amp; the Bush Cheney Syndicate exploited it in securing their ‘mandate’ in the 2002 mid-terms. I don’t know how many times I’ve tried to engage friends &amp; acquaintenances in some depth on the war in Iraq only to be shut out with responses like “I don’t care about quibbles” &amp; “Just look at the facts: no attacks since 9/11″ &amp; “That’s in the past- what matters now is going forward”. Good decent Russert-thinking burghers &amp; typical citizen electors all of them. I think it may be somewhat the same with global warming- a preference for living in wilful blindness that surely those in charge are far more knowledgeable than anyone they’d ever get to know personally &amp; an apprehension that even a peak into the issues would shatter that comforting illusion combined with a concern that most folks cannot reasonably expect to get on with their lives were they to learned otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80949</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ditto Boo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ditto EW&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you ROTL…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto Boo</p>
<p>ditto EW</p>
<p>Thank you ROTL…</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80948</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oop- that was in response to Loo Hoo @ 115.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oop- that was in response to Loo Hoo @ 115.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80947</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(Howie Klein and ActBlue are two of my ‘heros’.  Whole other topic; another time, after July….)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But appreciate kind words, since I seem to have flung my quivering heart right up on the web page… sigh….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Howie Klein and ActBlue are two of my ‘heros’.  Whole other topic; another time, after July….)</p>
<p>But appreciate kind words, since I seem to have flung my quivering heart right up on the web page… sigh….</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/first-doj-ig-report-on-politicization/comment-page-1/#comment-80946</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh surely not even the half of the half.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh surely not even the half of the half.</p>
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