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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80069</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Surgical.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80059</link>
		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama, FISA and Telecom immunity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If this is change one can believe in, than I don’t want it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I’m going to get screwed I might as well get lower taxes too. I was hopeful. Now I’m voting for McCain, contributing for McCain and working on Rorabacher’s re-election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama, Go back to Chicago. Stay there Fuckwad. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the constiution? It’s just a piece of paper. As for the US? It’s just a corrupt (failing) empire. Shining beacon on the hill? Don’t make me vomit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama, FISA and Telecom immunity.</p>
<p>If this is change one can believe in, than I don’t want it.</p>
<p>If I’m going to get screwed I might as well get lower taxes too. I was hopeful. Now I’m voting for McCain, contributing for McCain and working on Rorabacher’s re-election.</p>
<p>Obama, Go back to Chicago. Stay there Fuckwad. </p>
<p>As for the constiution? It’s just a piece of paper. As for the US? It’s just a corrupt (failing) empire. Shining beacon on the hill? Don’t make me vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80058</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My experience is that John Edwards was an exponentially more zealous advocate for causes as a tort attorney than he was in opposition to warantless wiretapping, monitoring of your emails, monitoring of your movements via satellite, the placement of over one million people on a secret no-fly list with no significant redress as to list placement except for a long red-tap laden process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have seen most TV appearances by Elizabeth Edwards and followed their websites.  I have hopes that she will fight a successful battle against her advanced breast cancer, and a lot of respect for her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have seen no statement by the Edwards’ that is significant as to a panoply of Constitutional crushes like the one below or the illegal bill the House passed today, Calea or a wide range of tracking tools that this administration has in place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/05/AR2008030503656_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Dragnet Is a Click Away&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that John Edwards was an exponentially more zealous advocate for causes as a tort attorney than he was in opposition to warantless wiretapping, monitoring of your emails, monitoring of your movements via satellite, the placement of over one million people on a secret no-fly list with no significant redress as to list placement except for a long red-tap laden process.</p>
<p>I have seen most TV appearances by Elizabeth Edwards and followed their websites.  I have hopes that she will fight a successful battle against her advanced breast cancer, and a lot of respect for her.</p>
<p>I have seen no statement by the Edwards’ that is significant as to a panoply of Constitutional crushes like the one below or the illegal bill the House passed today, Calea or a wide range of tracking tools that this administration has in place.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/05/AR2008030503656_pf.html" rel="nofollow">National Dragnet Is a Click Away</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I, too, would prefer you avoid “upchuck.”  I had a co-worker once named John who would get bent out of shape when you said you were going to the John.  It was hard to tell whether he was kidding.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, would prefer you avoid “upchuck.”  I had a co-worker once named John who would get bent out of shape when you said you were going to the John.  It was hard to tell whether he was kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80044</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the input.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the input.</p>
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		<title>By: helena</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80040</link>
		<dc:creator>helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was for John Edwards and I’m still for John Edwards.&lt;br /&gt;
Obama is a compromiser and that was obvious from his endorsement of Joe Leiberman.&lt;br /&gt;
The blogosphere, much of it, blew it BIG TIME in not working its ASS off for John and Elizabeth Edwards.&lt;br /&gt;
Just sayin’–&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was for John Edwards and I’m still for John Edwards.<br />
Obama is a compromiser and that was obvious from his endorsement of Joe Leiberman.<br />
The blogosphere, much of it, blew it BIG TIME in not working its ASS off for John and Elizabeth Edwards.<br />
Just sayin’–</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80039</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t agree with Obama’s position and I am still going to have to catch up on reading the events of today this weekend having just gotten home but the cynical truth is the majority of the contributors to Obama wouldn’t know FISA from Ne-Yo, Alisha Keys or Obama girl.  Most of them know the latter two but not the former.  That’s the realistic level of education in your Yoonited States.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t agree with Obama’s position and I am still going to have to catch up on reading the events of today this weekend having just gotten home but the cynical truth is the majority of the contributors to Obama wouldn’t know FISA from Ne-Yo, Alisha Keys or Obama girl.  Most of them know the latter two but not the former.  That’s the realistic level of education in your Yoonited States.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80031</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When programs like Blue America evaluate candidates for Congress, they should get publicly announced commitments from them that if they are elected, they will not support Pelosi and Hoyer for leadership positions in their caucus.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When programs like Blue America evaluate candidates for Congress, they should get publicly announced commitments from them that if they are elected, they will not support Pelosi and Hoyer for leadership positions in their caucus.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80026</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; I think BO is calculating on how to win and hold the white house, and govern. He made a pragmatic, arguably cynical decision.  .  .  That’s what leaders do.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In general  you’re right.  &lt;strong&gt;However.&lt;/strong&gt;  Perhaps the most important term in the equation you’re calculating is that you don’t do something during the campaign that will royally piss off one or more of the primary  sources of your electoral strength, whether it be an interest group that provides foot soldiers on the ground or one that puts megabucks into your bank account.  Obama has just blown a big Fuck Off kiss to what could have been his most motivated volunteers.  He’s going to lose at least a few megabucks, too, from tens of thousands of the small-potatoes donors he’s just bet his farm on.  The Congressional Republicans’ advocacy for the religious right’s hot-button issues such as legalizing forced birth and gay discrimination may sometimes be Kabuki theater, but you don’t see them dissing the theocrats during the campaigns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, this was not only a strategic blunder on Obama’s part, but a tactical one as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I think BO is calculating on how to win and hold the white house, and govern. He made a pragmatic, arguably cynical decision.  .  .  That’s what leaders do.</p>
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<p>In general  you’re right.  <strong>However.</strong>  Perhaps the most important term in the equation you’re calculating is that you don’t do something during the campaign that will royally piss off one or more of the primary  sources of your electoral strength, whether it be an interest group that provides foot soldiers on the ground or one that puts megabucks into your bank account.  Obama has just blown a big Fuck Off kiss to what could have been his most motivated volunteers.  He’s going to lose at least a few megabucks, too, from tens of thousands of the small-potatoes donors he’s just bet his farm on.  The Congressional Republicans’ advocacy for the religious right’s hot-button issues such as legalizing forced birth and gay discrimination may sometimes be Kabuki theater, but you don’t see them dissing the theocrats during the campaigns.</p>
<p>In short, this was not only a strategic blunder on Obama’s part, but a tactical one as well.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/20/obama-replied/comment-page-4/#comment-80017</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lets take an Alito stroll down memory lane:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/politics/politicsspecial1/24cnd-alito.html?ei=5094&amp;en=bf91db6c0d726a45&amp;hp=&amp;ex=1138165200&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;partner=homepage&amp;adxnnlx=1214022151-N8r/mow5dZr247PD7/CFrQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SJC Voted Along Party Lines for Alito or Against Alito&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The committee vote, with all 10 Republicans voting to confirm and all 8 Democrats voting to reject the nomination, sets the stage for equally contentious if predictable debate beginning Wednesday on the Senate floor. Many Democrats have indicated that they are unlikely to seek to block the nomination with a filibuster, virtually guaranteeing that Judge Alito will be confirmed by a majority vote. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Grouped By Vote Position YEAs —58&lt;br /&gt;
Alexander (R-TN)&lt;br /&gt;
Allard (R-CO)&lt;br /&gt;
Allen (R-VA)&lt;br /&gt;
Bennett (R-UT)&lt;br /&gt;
Bond (R-MO)&lt;br /&gt;
Brownback (R-KS)&lt;br /&gt;
Bunning (R-KY)&lt;br /&gt;
Burns (R-MT)&lt;br /&gt;
Burr (R-NC)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Byrd (D-WV)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Chambliss (R-GA)&lt;br /&gt;
Coburn (R-OK)&lt;br /&gt;
Cochran (R-MS)&lt;br /&gt;
Coleman (R-MN)&lt;br /&gt;
Collins (R-ME)&lt;br /&gt;
Conrad (D-ND)&lt;br /&gt;
Cornyn (R-TX)&lt;br /&gt;
Craig (R-ID)&lt;br /&gt;
Crapo (R-ID)&lt;br /&gt;
DeMint (R-SC)&lt;br /&gt;
 DeWine (R-OH)&lt;br /&gt;
Dole (R-NC)&lt;br /&gt;
Domenici (R-NM)&lt;br /&gt;
Ensign (R-NV)&lt;br /&gt;
Enzi (R-WY)&lt;br /&gt;
Frist (R-TN)&lt;br /&gt;
Graham (R-SC)&lt;br /&gt;
Grassley (R-IA)&lt;br /&gt;
Gregg (R-NH)&lt;br /&gt;
Hagel (R-NE)&lt;br /&gt;
Hatch (R-UT)&lt;br /&gt;
Hutchison (R-TX)&lt;br /&gt;
Inhofe (R-OK)&lt;br /&gt;
Isakson (R-GA)&lt;br /&gt;
Johnson (D-SD)&lt;br /&gt;
Kyl (R-AZ)&lt;br /&gt;
Lott (R-MS)&lt;br /&gt;
Lugar (R-IN)&lt;br /&gt;
Martinez (R-FL)&lt;br /&gt;
McCain (R-AZ)&lt;br /&gt;
 McConnell (R-KY)&lt;br /&gt;
Murkowski (R-AK)&lt;br /&gt;
Nelson (D-NE)&lt;br /&gt;
Roberts (R-KS)&lt;br /&gt;
Santorum (R-PA)&lt;br /&gt;
Sessions (R-AL)&lt;br /&gt;
Shelby (R-AL)&lt;br /&gt;
Smith (R-OR)&lt;br /&gt;
Snowe (R-ME)&lt;br /&gt;
Specter (R-PA)&lt;br /&gt;
Stevens (R-AK)&lt;br /&gt;
Sununu (R-NH)&lt;br /&gt;
Talent (R-MO)&lt;br /&gt;
Thomas (R-WY)&lt;br /&gt;
Thune (R-SD)&lt;br /&gt;
Vitter (R-LA)&lt;br /&gt;
Voinovich (R-OH)&lt;br /&gt;
Warner (R-VA)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NAYs —42&lt;br /&gt;
Akaka (D-HI)&lt;br /&gt;
Baucus (D-MT)&lt;br /&gt;
Bayh (D-IN)&lt;br /&gt;
Biden (D-DE)&lt;br /&gt;
Bingaman (D-NM)&lt;br /&gt;
Boxer (D-CA)&lt;br /&gt;
Cantwell (D-WA)&lt;br /&gt;
Carper (D-DE)&lt;br /&gt;
Chafee (R-RI)&lt;br /&gt;
Clinton (D-NY)&lt;br /&gt;
Dayton (D-MN)&lt;br /&gt;
Dodd (D-CT)&lt;br /&gt;
Dorgan (D-ND)&lt;br /&gt;
Durbin (D-IL)&lt;br /&gt;
 Feingold (D-WI)&lt;br /&gt;
Feinstein (D-CA)&lt;br /&gt;
Harkin (D-IA)&lt;br /&gt;
Inouye (D-HI)&lt;br /&gt;
Jeffords (I-VT)&lt;br /&gt;
Kennedy (D-MA)&lt;br /&gt;
Kerry (D-MA)&lt;br /&gt;
Kohl (D-WI)&lt;br /&gt;
Landrieu (D-LA)&lt;br /&gt;
Lautenberg (D-NJ)&lt;br /&gt;
Leahy (D-VT)&lt;br /&gt;
Levin (D-MI)&lt;br /&gt;
Lieberman (D-CT)&lt;br /&gt;
Lincoln (D-AR)&lt;br /&gt;
 Menendez (D-NJ)&lt;br /&gt;
Mikulski (D-MD)&lt;br /&gt;
Murray (D-WA)&lt;br /&gt;
Nelson (D-FL)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Obama (D-IL)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Pryor (D-AR)&lt;br /&gt;
Reed (D-RI)&lt;br /&gt;
Reid (D-NV)&lt;br /&gt;
Rockefeller (D-WV)&lt;br /&gt;
Salazar (D-CO)&lt;br /&gt;
Sarbanes (D-MD)&lt;br /&gt;
Schumer (D-NY)&lt;br /&gt;
Stabenow (D-MI)&lt;br /&gt;
Wyden (D-OR)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets take an Alito stroll down memory lane:</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/politics/politicsspecial1/24cnd-alito.html?ei=5094&amp;en=bf91db6c0d726a45&amp;hp=&amp;ex=1138165200&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;partner=homepage&amp;adxnnlx=1214022151-N8r/mow5dZr247PD7/CFrQ" rel="nofollow">SJC Voted Along Party Lines for Alito or Against Alito</a></strong></p>
<blockquote><p>The committee vote, with all 10 Republicans voting to confirm and all 8 Democrats voting to reject the nomination, sets the stage for equally contentious if predictable debate beginning Wednesday on the Senate floor. Many Democrats have indicated that they are unlikely to seek to block the nomination with a filibuster, virtually guaranteeing that Judge Alito will be confirmed by a majority vote. </p>
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<p>Grouped By Vote Position YEAs —58<br />
Alexander (R-TN)<br />
Allard (R-CO)<br />
Allen (R-VA)<br />
Bennett (R-UT)<br />
Bond (R-MO)<br />
Brownback (R-KS)<br />
Bunning (R-KY)<br />
Burns (R-MT)<br />
Burr (R-NC)<br /><strong>Byrd (D-WV)</strong><br />
Chambliss (R-GA)<br />
Coburn (R-OK)<br />
Cochran (R-MS)<br />
Coleman (R-MN)<br />
Collins (R-ME)<br />
Conrad (D-ND)<br />
Cornyn (R-TX)<br />
Craig (R-ID)<br />
Crapo (R-ID)<br />
DeMint (R-SC)<br />
 DeWine (R-OH)<br />
Dole (R-NC)<br />
Domenici (R-NM)<br />
Ensign (R-NV)<br />
Enzi (R-WY)<br />
Frist (R-TN)<br />
Graham (R-SC)<br />
Grassley (R-IA)<br />
Gregg (R-NH)<br />
Hagel (R-NE)<br />
Hatch (R-UT)<br />
Hutchison (R-TX)<br />
Inhofe (R-OK)<br />
Isakson (R-GA)<br />
Johnson (D-SD)<br />
Kyl (R-AZ)<br />
Lott (R-MS)<br />
Lugar (R-IN)<br />
Martinez (R-FL)<br />
McCain (R-AZ)<br />
 McConnell (R-KY)<br />
Murkowski (R-AK)<br />
Nelson (D-NE)<br />
Roberts (R-KS)<br />
Santorum (R-PA)<br />
Sessions (R-AL)<br />
Shelby (R-AL)<br />
Smith (R-OR)<br />
Snowe (R-ME)<br />
Specter (R-PA)<br />
Stevens (R-AK)<br />
Sununu (R-NH)<br />
Talent (R-MO)<br />
Thomas (R-WY)<br />
Thune (R-SD)<br />
Vitter (R-LA)<br />
Voinovich (R-OH)<br />
Warner (R-VA)</p>
<p>NAYs —42<br />
Akaka (D-HI)<br />
Baucus (D-MT)<br />
Bayh (D-IN)<br />
Biden (D-DE)<br />
Bingaman (D-NM)<br />
Boxer (D-CA)<br />
Cantwell (D-WA)<br />
Carper (D-DE)<br />
Chafee (R-RI)<br />
Clinton (D-NY)<br />
Dayton (D-MN)<br />
Dodd (D-CT)<br />
Dorgan (D-ND)<br />
Durbin (D-IL)<br />
 Feingold (D-WI)<br />
Feinstein (D-CA)<br />
Harkin (D-IA)<br />
Inouye (D-HI)<br />
Jeffords (I-VT)<br />
Kennedy (D-MA)<br />
Kerry (D-MA)<br />
Kohl (D-WI)<br />
Landrieu (D-LA)<br />
Lautenberg (D-NJ)<br />
Leahy (D-VT)<br />
Levin (D-MI)<br />
Lieberman (D-CT)<br />
Lincoln (D-AR)<br />
 Menendez (D-NJ)<br />
Mikulski (D-MD)<br />
Murray (D-WA)<br />
Nelson (D-FL)<br /><strong>Obama (D-IL)</strong><br />
Pryor (D-AR)<br />
Reed (D-RI)<br />
Reid (D-NV)<br />
Rockefeller (D-WV)<br />
Salazar (D-CO)<br />
Sarbanes (D-MD)<br />
Schumer (D-NY)<br />
Stabenow (D-MI)<br />
Wyden (D-OR)</p>
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