Comments on: Lamberth Doesn’t Seem to Think the Boumediene Sky Is Falling

By: JThomason

JThomason — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:38:54 +0000

Kennedy was not afraid to shoot straight and name “tyranny” in Boumediene. I think the time has come for those who have been reserved and polite to a fault in their discourse to begin to match their words with the extreme conditions we are now encountering.

By: kspena

kspena — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:39:16 +0000

and Diane @37…The “We can’t have acquittals” line was Haynes to Col Morris Davis, I believe.

The message I read is “We can’t have acquittals; we need DEATH!”

By: behindthefall

behindthefall — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:29:37 +0000

It’s hard to even comprehend these days that for centuries (millenia) there have been societies where the only liberties people could exercise were the ones PERMITTED them by a monarch who derived his (rarely her) position from a divine source. If you weren’t the king you HAD NO INALIENABLE RIGHTS, AMONG THEM LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Any person who believes that every person has inalienable rights is a liberal. Be very wary of anyone who says they are NOT a liberal, because that person is after everything we take for granted. IMHO.

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:27:09 +0000

OT - Wilkerson reminds HJC that Cheney told Russert “…it’s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective.”

By: behindthefall

behindthefall — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:23:15 +0000

That’s not ‘counterinsurgency’; that’s counter-democracy. Imagine what happens to the public’s opinion of a nation backing use of these techniques when the news gets out? Oh, wait…

By: JohnLopresti

JohnLopresti — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:05:00 +0000

re: Friar. One of the structural aspects about the Fine report was the FbI’s negotiations early about Qahtani. A quick perusal seems to say Q emerged after Q’s torcha path thru the prison(s) Condi swore all over Europe did not exist in the former E.Europe operated by US intell. Another account I found seemed to say the Zub experience was the chip DoD was playing in the jostling over whether FBI would wait for a cooling off period before interviewing Q; another rendition had it that FBI had interviewed Q first. So, it is a jumbled set of tales. Fine at one point said Q had a known breaking point threshold that Gitmo wanted to exceed again, FBI lost the negotiations, and Q finally broke after about 5 months of torcha, April 2oo4. I may have the dates confused, too. I am too busy to trace it, but Fine has the mosaic, scattered in its chapter overlaps. What interested me were negotiations, e.g. the policy group excluding Condi but including State. But I think the overarching plan from WH was to assure all the leadership people in the administration were sullied, kind of a corporate guarantee all or none would ever reveal what happened and who made the topmost decisions. I doubt I will have time to pursue this much, as I am obligated in many ways this year in employments.

By: LabDancer

LabDancer — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:53:55 +0000

And I in turn am with Fearless Freep.

Per the bmaz exchange with kimcrossman re speculation of Lamberth et al complicity in unregulated domestic spying:

[A] My personal experience supports the take of bmaz.

[B] There are more than enough battles to be fought with the Syndicate without going all Man of La Mancha.

[C] It is AT LEAST as likely the Syndicates preference for dealing with Bernice [“one ringy dingy”] over the FISA court derived from the Syndicate having being apprised by its mouthpieces at DOJ of the thrust of some such informal chitchat with the members of the DC Circuit court.

Personal Experience: In over a decade spent intermittently chasing warrant paper for the authorities- I cannot remember a single solitary occasion of ever being turned down flat – not one-

but I have very vivid recollections of a number of occasions early on in that ‘career’ of being gently encouraged to go back & try again – or beating a full retreat all the way back behind the lines & even back to the drawing board – or being required to submit the proffer to some extraordinary or excrutiating embarrassing third degree by a member of the court- causing a lot of excess perspiration & anxiety & significantly blunting my eagerness to return to fight THAT dragon again-

& once I stopped making rookie & hubristic errors of ommision & commission I was able to gain enough cred with my masters that they stopped ordering me over the trenches into the path of judicial machine gun fire -

& from that I earned a little further cred as some sort of secular guru internally & thus was invited to pass on the lessons learned to benefit my successors -

& thus my employer 0
& to the general relief of judges -
& presto! the “win” rate kept going up.

Observation: For some reason[s] the Syndicates mouthpieces were no longer willing to deal with the likes of Lamberth et al – from a period largely coinciding with the hegemony of Gonzo Law.

Conclusion: Someone confused crime with patriotism.

By: john in sacramento

john in sacramento — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:05:51 +0000

Yea, Carlos about tore the cover off the ball for the short time he was here playing for the Rivercats (Oakland’s Triple A team for the non baseball fans)

By: bmaz

bmaz — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:05:30 +0000

And a torn ACL. He is just different than the rest in a way that few in history really are. Never thought I would say that about a golfer, even Nicklaus; but there it is.

By: randiego

randiego — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:44:14 +0000

OT Alert:
did y’all see that Tiger won the US Open with a Broken Freaking Leg??!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf.....id=3450453