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		<title>By: timbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reluctant as I am to agree with you about Fitzgerald, I’m going to have to agree with you.  I was able to figure out Armitage’s roll by doing a relationship chart and concentrating on it for two hours.  Someone who is much, much more experienced with prosecuting perjury and conspiracy should have spotted Armitage’s roll before the “revelations” over Woodward’s conversations with Armitage…and teased it out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That having been said, I’m not sure what happened.  Almost certainly Fitzgerald considered Bush’s instant declassification to be legal and a matter that only Congress in a political investigation (Hearings) could Constitutionally intervene.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now where Dean really misses on all this is where Congress failed to act with regard to Libby’s commutation.  Had they chosen to act at that instant…to open hearing specifically into possible abuses of Presidential powers by the White House to cover up treasonous behaviour, they probably would have made quick headway.  The public, at that time, was likely to get behind figuring out &gt;why
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now, what we’re seeing at the moment is simply various coalitions (and factions?) in the Democratic party trying to get through the Presidential election with a victory…that they almost certainly would have had had they simply impeached the bastards on the evidence…and trying to keep the right and the left of the party focussed on each of their individual agendas…without delivering either.  Oh, there will be some entertaining hearings this summer for sure.  That pleases the credulous on the left and weakens the Republicans in the fall.  But, as someone pointed out…it’s like the Fall of the Third Republic…we’ve got incompetent and corrupt politicians, incompetent and corrupt military officers, and an almost…maybe there is some hope left in it somewhere…co-opted hack judiciary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, the three branches are cooperating in not giving us good government, nor safety, nor efficiency, nor legality under the Constitution, Constitutionally valid laws, etc, at the moment.  It is a plutocracy that is in place and growing…and each succeeding election in which this is permitted to continue means more danger for our country…not the easily co-opted type of danger, like “terrorist weapons of mass destruction”, no, it is the insidious rotting of a political system that we are witnessing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps Obama and his team can stop some of the rot…but, really, it is the U.S. Congress and the citizen-voter that must correct course…and the sooner, the better…for every human being on this planet.  Certainly if McCain gets in and the Democrats continue to shill along with Pelosi’s team running things on the Dem side then, well, if you think America’s standing in the world is bad at the moment…imaging four or eight more years of a McCain administration full of Bush appointees throughout the Executive, Judicial, and military.  It won’t be a pretty picture.  In other words, the best thing that San Francisco could do for the nation is to oust Pelosi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a testiment to how bad things are politically in this nation that Pelosi does not have serious challengers to her in SF for the upcoming election.  I’m not religious but do pray that someone will step forward and give her a scary, pro-impeachment challenger to have a local referendum on her nationally shameful refusal to permit impeachment of the Republican scum that have tarnished this nation…and simultaneously provide opportunistic 2nd stringers to run our Congress…that’s the Dem side…the GOP side is 3rd stringers, most of ‘em.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reluctant as I am to agree with you about Fitzgerald, I’m going to have to agree with you.  I was able to figure out Armitage’s roll by doing a relationship chart and concentrating on it for two hours.  Someone who is much, much more experienced with prosecuting perjury and conspiracy should have spotted Armitage’s roll before the “revelations” over Woodward’s conversations with Armitage…and teased it out.</p>
<p>That having been said, I’m not sure what happened.  Almost certainly Fitzgerald considered Bush’s instant declassification to be legal and a matter that only Congress in a political investigation (Hearings) could Constitutionally intervene.</p>
<p>Now where Dean really misses on all this is where Congress failed to act with regard to Libby’s commutation.  Had they chosen to act at that instant…to open hearing specifically into possible abuses of Presidential powers by the White House to cover up treasonous behaviour, they probably would have made quick headway.  The public, at that time, was likely to get behind figuring out &gt;why
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<p>Now, what we’re seeing at the moment is simply various coalitions (and factions?) in the Democratic party trying to get through the Presidential election with a victory…that they almost certainly would have had had they simply impeached the bastards on the evidence…and trying to keep the right and the left of the party focussed on each of their individual agendas…without delivering either.  Oh, there will be some entertaining hearings this summer for sure.  That pleases the credulous on the left and weakens the Republicans in the fall.  But, as someone pointed out…it’s like the Fall of the Third Republic…we’ve got incompetent and corrupt politicians, incompetent and corrupt military officers, and an almost…maybe there is some hope left in it somewhere…co-opted hack judiciary.</p>
<p>In other words, the three branches are cooperating in not giving us good government, nor safety, nor efficiency, nor legality under the Constitution, Constitutionally valid laws, etc, at the moment.  It is a plutocracy that is in place and growing…and each succeeding election in which this is permitted to continue means more danger for our country…not the easily co-opted type of danger, like “terrorist weapons of mass destruction”, no, it is the insidious rotting of a political system that we are witnessing.</p>
<p>Perhaps Obama and his team can stop some of the rot…but, really, it is the U.S. Congress and the citizen-voter that must correct course…and the sooner, the better…for every human being on this planet.  Certainly if McCain gets in and the Democrats continue to shill along with Pelosi’s team running things on the Dem side then, well, if you think America’s standing in the world is bad at the moment…imaging four or eight more years of a McCain administration full of Bush appointees throughout the Executive, Judicial, and military.  It won’t be a pretty picture.  In other words, the best thing that San Francisco could do for the nation is to oust Pelosi.</p>
<p>It is a testiment to how bad things are politically in this nation that Pelosi does not have serious challengers to her in SF for the upcoming election.  I’m not religious but do pray that someone will step forward and give her a scary, pro-impeachment challenger to have a local referendum on her nationally shameful refusal to permit impeachment of the Republican scum that have tarnished this nation…and simultaneously provide opportunistic 2nd stringers to run our Congress…that’s the Dem side…the GOP side is 3rd stringers, most of ‘em.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just a question of logistics. Does Congress have to give Ari immunity too? Not that there’s any downside–if he says something different than he did to Fitz, then Fitz can haul his ass in. But it seems like Ari’s a no-brainer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cog…wheel…”good German”…plea bargain…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;tide is high…approaching D-day…ready to go…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“et cetera et cetera et cetera”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just a question of logistics. Does Congress have to give Ari immunity too? Not that there’s any downside–if he says something different than he did to Fitz, then Fitz can haul his ass in. But it seems like Ari’s a no-brainer.</p>
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<p>cog…wheel…”good German”…plea bargain…</p>
<p>tide is high…approaching D-day…ready to go…</p>
<p>“et cetera et cetera et cetera”</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But unless we show the world that we can police our own criminals, who can trust us?&lt;br /&gt;
No one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But unless we show the world that we can police our own criminals, who can trust us?<br />
No one.</p>
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		<title>By: sojourner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am finally getting on the computer for the first time today and catching up. My wife is rather non-political, and she does not fathom my concerns with each new revelation or activity by these goons. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would love to know more about the people on these blogs. I often see your posts, along with BMAZ’s, WmOckham’s, Mary’s, and a bazillion others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for me, I am a meek, mild IT worker at a government contractor by day, but at night — well, I don tights and a cape and become endowed with super powers to right wrongs and avenge the slights against our Constitution. At least that sounds good… &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am finally getting on the computer for the first time today and catching up. My wife is rather non-political, and she does not fathom my concerns with each new revelation or activity by these goons. </p>
<p>I would love to know more about the people on these blogs. I often see your posts, along with BMAZ’s, WmOckham’s, Mary’s, and a bazillion others.</p>
<p>As for me, I am a meek, mild IT worker at a government contractor by day, but at night — well, I don tights and a cape and become endowed with super powers to right wrongs and avenge the slights against our Constitution. At least that sounds good… </p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As always, thanks Mary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, thanks Mary.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fitzgerald has effectively hidden much of the evidence he collected&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Link?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Fitzgerald has effectively hidden much of the evidence he collected</p>
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<p>Link?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting rant; some of it even valid.  Much, however, is not, and betrays a serious misunderstanding of a federal prosecutor’s power and prerogative.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting rant; some of it even valid.  Much, however, is not, and betrays a serious misunderstanding of a federal prosecutor’s power and prerogative.</p>
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		<title>By: AmosAnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmosAnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a pretty “weak tea” dismissal of John Dean’s points regarding the prosecutorial efforts of Patrick Fitzgerald. I don’t remember if you were a part of the FDL teenybopper adoration of Fitzgerald with oohs and aahs over his butt and comments prefaced with “my future husband” but let’s face it, Fitzgerald has taken treason in the White House and made it into a case about fibbing, which barely caused a ripple in the nation when even that “fibbing” was excused. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve no doubt Dean can make absurd conjectures. I remember when he wrote that the Wilsons should sue the Bush group, comparing the Wilson’s White House situation to the one the Nixon White House faced with a civil suit regarding its illegal activities. But the Dean era had judges like John Sirica, not bird flipping, duck hunt invitees like Antonin Scalia. One of the early acts by the Bush group was to kill the civil suit by the original Iran hostages. That was when Iran was our unspoken buddy in our attempts to get Bin Laden. But then the Bush people didn’t actually want to get Bin Laden because then their basis for a phony war and dictatorial power would have been largely removed. So Bin Laden runs free and Iran is our new oil rich enemy. But I’m digressing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fitzgerald has effectively hidden much of the evidence he collected. That’s evidence of possible crimes in the very highest reaches of America’s government. Fitzgerald has hidden that. I repeat. Fitzgerald has hidden that and he’s still playing games on keeping that information hidden. You’ve made some inferences based on the evidence Fitzgerald has allowed out but that’s a joke considering the circumstances of treason in the White House. And forgive me if it may not be treason because Bush waved his hand and made his own treason not treason. If Fitzgerald had made some speech about that to the public when talking about throwing sand around, maybe I could have some respect for him. I guess I should be a butt man to see something of value in Fitzgerald.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You also make the point that Fitzgerald didn’t have a witness above reproach to use to provide testimony of crimes in the highest places. That’s another joke, right? We’re talking about prosecutors here. These are people that have no problem getting drugged out jail house snitches to provide evidence to jail innocent people for decades, with the prosecutor’s happiest support. Almost never is a Jesus Christ present to provide evidence of wrong doing. But Fitzgerald refused to put the question to a jury of who, under the circumstances, was more believable, one possible liar or another. He went for the fibbing case that kept the wrong doing secret. He got his meaningless win and America got its horrific loss. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Pat. If ever I see your butt the only inspiration I’ll get is to kick it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a pretty “weak tea” dismissal of John Dean’s points regarding the prosecutorial efforts of Patrick Fitzgerald. I don’t remember if you were a part of the FDL teenybopper adoration of Fitzgerald with oohs and aahs over his butt and comments prefaced with “my future husband” but let’s face it, Fitzgerald has taken treason in the White House and made it into a case about fibbing, which barely caused a ripple in the nation when even that “fibbing” was excused. </p>
<p>I’ve no doubt Dean can make absurd conjectures. I remember when he wrote that the Wilsons should sue the Bush group, comparing the Wilson’s White House situation to the one the Nixon White House faced with a civil suit regarding its illegal activities. But the Dean era had judges like John Sirica, not bird flipping, duck hunt invitees like Antonin Scalia. One of the early acts by the Bush group was to kill the civil suit by the original Iran hostages. That was when Iran was our unspoken buddy in our attempts to get Bin Laden. But then the Bush people didn’t actually want to get Bin Laden because then their basis for a phony war and dictatorial power would have been largely removed. So Bin Laden runs free and Iran is our new oil rich enemy. But I’m digressing. </p>
<p>Fitzgerald has effectively hidden much of the evidence he collected. That’s evidence of possible crimes in the very highest reaches of America’s government. Fitzgerald has hidden that. I repeat. Fitzgerald has hidden that and he’s still playing games on keeping that information hidden. You’ve made some inferences based on the evidence Fitzgerald has allowed out but that’s a joke considering the circumstances of treason in the White House. And forgive me if it may not be treason because Bush waved his hand and made his own treason not treason. If Fitzgerald had made some speech about that to the public when talking about throwing sand around, maybe I could have some respect for him. I guess I should be a butt man to see something of value in Fitzgerald.</p>
<p>You also make the point that Fitzgerald didn’t have a witness above reproach to use to provide testimony of crimes in the highest places. That’s another joke, right? We’re talking about prosecutors here. These are people that have no problem getting drugged out jail house snitches to provide evidence to jail innocent people for decades, with the prosecutor’s happiest support. Almost never is a Jesus Christ present to provide evidence of wrong doing. But Fitzgerald refused to put the question to a jury of who, under the circumstances, was more believable, one possible liar or another. He went for the fibbing case that kept the wrong doing secret. He got his meaningless win and America got its horrific loss. </p>
<p>Thanks Pat. If ever I see your butt the only inspiration I’ll get is to kick it.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think they’ve already skipped the usual intermediate steps, beatification, etc., and gone right to sainthood: St. Timothy the Pompous.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The press is the new medieval church, espousing its catechism of conformity, excommunicating the heretical ”left”, elevating themselves to the nobility and their king to godliness, demanding tax relief while dinging the poor for their tithes, yet closing the cathedral doors to their cries.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who will assume the mantle of archbishop in St. Timothy’s stead?  How about a journalist, or one of those lowly friars from the chapel blogs?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they’ve already skipped the usual intermediate steps, beatification, etc., and gone right to sainthood: St. Timothy the Pompous.  </p>
<p>The press is the new medieval church, espousing its catechism of conformity, excommunicating the heretical ”left”, elevating themselves to the nobility and their king to godliness, demanding tax relief while dinging the poor for their tithes, yet closing the cathedral doors to their cries.  </p>
<p>Who will assume the mantle of archbishop in St. Timothy’s stead?  How about a journalist, or one of those lowly friars from the chapel blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Novak , Miller knowingly allowed themselves to be used to commit treason&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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