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	<title>Comments on: Whitehouse: Bush&#8217;s Lies &#8220;Rot the Very Fiber of Democracy&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/06/05/whitehouse-bushs-lies-rot-the-very-fiber-of-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-75275</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McClatchy really owes the NYT editors a few bouquets as ‘thanks’ for giving them such a great opportunity to build new readership. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This has &lt;em&gt;zero&lt;/em&gt; to do with ‘media convergence’ or ‘digital technologies’, and everything to do with two very human factors:  (1) editorial judgment and (2) reporting talent. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McClatchy seems to be the leaner operation, but they’re outpacing the NYT by a country mile.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McClatchy really owes the NYT editors a few bouquets as ‘thanks’ for giving them such a great opportunity to build new readership. </p>
<p>This has <em>zero</em> to do with ‘media convergence’ or ‘digital technologies’, and everything to do with two very human factors:  (1) editorial judgment and (2) reporting talent. </p>
<p>McClatchy seems to be the leaner operation, but they’re outpacing the NYT by a country mile.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The New York Times allowed Judy Miller to nest on the front pages of that bloody paper.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times allowed Judy Miller to nest on the front pages of that bloody paper.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Prediction:  the November elections (and the Sept primaries) are going to be won or lost on turnout.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Congress doesn’t initiate legal proceedings against the nest of spies run out of OVP, and include GWBush — for turning a blind eye in order to maintain ‘plausible deniability’ — then all I can do is shrug and say, “Fuck it.  I’m not voting. And I’m done contributing.  I refuse to help enable a system so weakened and corrupt that it can’t even reign in thugs and spies.  The very idea of supporting this mess, even by voting, is revolting.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When a US Senate report makes clear that Congress, the FBI, the CIA, and the military have been subverted by a nest of spies&lt;em&gt; and no one does anything about it — the criminals keep their nice, cushy lives&lt;/em&gt;…. there’s simply no point in  paying attention, let alone voting.  F*ck that bullshit. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That makes about as much sense as paying the Mafia to intimidate you.  Thanks all the same, but I’ll have to take a pass…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McClatchy gives front page attention to the ‘cabal’ that operated out of OVP and the Pentagon.&lt;br /&gt;
Meanwhile, at the NYT  no front page headline about the nest of spies.   Go figure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prediction:  the November elections (and the Sept primaries) are going to be won or lost on turnout.</p>
<p>If Congress doesn’t initiate legal proceedings against the nest of spies run out of OVP, and include GWBush — for turning a blind eye in order to maintain ‘plausible deniability’ — then all I can do is shrug and say, “Fuck it.  I’m not voting. And I’m done contributing.  I refuse to help enable a system so weakened and corrupt that it can’t even reign in thugs and spies.  The very idea of supporting this mess, even by voting, is revolting.”</p>
<p>When a US Senate report makes clear that Congress, the FBI, the CIA, and the military have been subverted by a nest of spies<em> and no one does anything about it — the criminals keep their nice, cushy lives</em>…. there’s simply no point in  paying attention, let alone voting.  F*ck that bullshit. </p>
<p>That makes about as much sense as paying the Mafia to intimidate you.  Thanks all the same, but I’ll have to take a pass…</p>
<p>McClatchy gives front page attention to the ‘cabal’ that operated out of OVP and the Pentagon.<br />
Meanwhile, at the NYT  no front page headline about the nest of spies.   Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly.  Millions of lives would have been saved.  Too bad that they did not do as much research on the intelligence claims before they fucking gave the Bush warmongers the opportunity to invade Iraq&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  Millions of lives would have been saved.  Too bad that they did not do as much research on the intelligence claims before they fucking gave the Bush warmongers the opportunity to invade Iraq</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is just amazing that this intelligence report comes out five and a half  years after people like Jason Vest, Kathleen and Bill Christison, Scott Ritter, Mr. El Baradei, Kofi Anan and many other tried and tried to alert the American public to the truth that the WMD intelligence was seriously flawed, and our Congress and the American public should be questioning it.  Millions of Americans did question based on what these brave souls tried to tell us early on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jason Vest article in 2002&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Men from Jinsa&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;December 13, 2002&lt;br /&gt;
A Rose By Another Other Name&lt;br /&gt;
The Bush Administration’s Dual Loyalties&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by KATHLEEN and BILL CHRISTISON&lt;br /&gt;
former CIA political analysts&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Niger Documents Timeline&lt;br /&gt;
including El baradei’s  speech at the UN where he told the world (many of us were listening) that the NIger Documents were false&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is just amazing that this intelligence report comes out five and a half  years after people like Jason Vest, Kathleen and Bill Christison, Scott Ritter, Mr. El Baradei, Kofi Anan and many other tried and tried to alert the American public to the truth that the WMD intelligence was seriously flawed, and our Congress and the American public should be questioning it.  Millions of Americans did question based on what these brave souls tried to tell us early on.</p>
<p>Jason Vest article in 2002</p>
<p>The Men from Jinsa<br /><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest</a></p>
<p>December 13, 2002<br />
A Rose By Another Other Name<br />
The Bush Administration’s Dual Loyalties</p>
<p>by KATHLEEN and BILL CHRISTISON<br />
former CIA political analysts</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html</a></p>
<p>Niger Documents Timeline<br />
including El baradei’s  speech at the UN where he told the world (many of us were listening) that the NIger Documents were false<br /><a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And when I read the conclusions and the recommendations of the Phase II committee I was left with a knot in my stomach wondering just what the repercussions will be for those who so clearly lied our nation into an unnecessary war.  The language used by this committee to describe the creating, cherry picking and disseminating of false intelligence ” inappropriate, ill advised, highly inappropriate” is no more than a wrist slap for those responsible.  The question is will our congress take this report and do something?  Hold those responsible ACCOUNTABLE?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Holding those responsible for disseminating false intelligence ACCOUNTABLE is the very least, the very least that our Representatives can do for the  the unnecessary and immoral loss of American and Iraqi lives, the destroyed country of Iraq and 4 million Iraqi refugees.  Will our Congress do anything with this report or will the “fiber of our Democracy” as Senator Whitehouse has so eloquently stated “continue to rot”? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are writing, e-mailing, calling, our Reps.  We are doing our part. Will they do theirs?   We are waiting for ACCOUNTABILITY,  And the whole world is watching.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when I read the conclusions and the recommendations of the Phase II committee I was left with a knot in my stomach wondering just what the repercussions will be for those who so clearly lied our nation into an unnecessary war.  The language used by this committee to describe the creating, cherry picking and disseminating of false intelligence ” inappropriate, ill advised, highly inappropriate” is no more than a wrist slap for those responsible.  The question is will our congress take this report and do something?  Hold those responsible ACCOUNTABLE?</p>
<p>Holding those responsible for disseminating false intelligence ACCOUNTABLE is the very least, the very least that our Representatives can do for the  the unnecessary and immoral loss of American and Iraqi lives, the destroyed country of Iraq and 4 million Iraqi refugees.  Will our Congress do anything with this report or will the “fiber of our Democracy” as Senator Whitehouse has so eloquently stated “continue to rot”? </p>
<p>We are writing, e-mailing, calling, our Reps.  We are doing our part. Will they do theirs?   We are waiting for ACCOUNTABILITY,  And the whole world is watching.</p>
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		<title>By: kspena</title>
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		<dc:creator>kspena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for this statement.  &lt;em&gt;Lord of the Flies&lt;/em&gt; has been the frame through which I’ve viewed this administration for years now.  This pack of ne’er-do-wells stepped out of that novel as imposters who high-jacked the executive institutions of this country.  When they were ‘reelected’ in 2004, I thought the grown-ups would never come. But hopefully the adults are beginning to arrive in numbers now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this statement.  <em>Lord of the Flies</em> has been the frame through which I’ve viewed this administration for years now.  This pack of ne’er-do-wells stepped out of that novel as imposters who high-jacked the executive institutions of this country.  When they were ‘reelected’ in 2004, I thought the grown-ups would never come. But hopefully the adults are beginning to arrive in numbers now.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GregB, after the news about the cabal operating out of Cheney’s office that’s now officially published in the SSCI report, impeachment is a must.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don’t turn a blind eye to the hard, published evidence that the Preznit, VP, and their cabal set up a parallel government.  And if  you do turn a blind eye to that, and fail to remove those people… what does that tell the military?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should people really be asked to do military service in support of a pack of lies?&lt;br /&gt;
And lies promoted actively by foreign agents?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope your comment turns out to be prescient.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GregB, after the news about the cabal operating out of Cheney’s office that’s now officially published in the SSCI report, impeachment is a must.</p>
<p>You don’t turn a blind eye to the hard, published evidence that the Preznit, VP, and their cabal set up a parallel government.  And if  you do turn a blind eye to that, and fail to remove those people… what does that tell the military?</p>
<p>Should people really be asked to do military service in support of a pack of lies?<br />
And lies promoted actively by foreign agents?</p>
<p>I hope your comment turns out to be prescient.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbird4751</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenbird4751</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes it is. as a bonkers faithful reader, i was dismayed and dismayed as over and over fdl did not load for me yesterday. so, in order not to have to read idiotic comments like the ones i first posted, please fdl–don’t do that again. it scared me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes it is. as a bonkers faithful reader, i was dismayed and dismayed as over and over fdl did not load for me yesterday. so, in order not to have to read idiotic comments like the ones i first posted, please fdl–don’t do that again. it scared me.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbird4751</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenbird4751</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes. absolutely. the entire world his victim.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes. absolutely. the entire world his victim.</p>
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