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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Via Think P - some other details about what happened at the arraignments:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;During yesterday’s arraignment of five detainees at a Guantanamo military court, “security officials cut the sound fed to reporters” in the press center when the judge asked a detainee why he was on psychotropic drugs. “It was one of half a dozen times” a security consultant cut the sound “when detainees appeared to be discussing what several of them said had been years of torture.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, was the answer “loyal Bushie psychoW’s are using me for a human experiment”? If not, why not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via Think P &#8211; some other details about what happened at the arraignments:</p>
<blockquote><p>During yesterday’s arraignment of five detainees at a Guantanamo military court, “security officials cut the sound fed to reporters” in the press center when the judge asked a detainee why he was on psychotropic drugs. “It was one of half a dozen times” a security consultant cut the sound “when detainees appeared to be discussing what several of them said had been years of torture.”</p>
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<p>So, was the answer “loyal Bushie psychoW’s are using me for a human experiment”? If not, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;God is schizophrenic&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;he talks to himself all the time&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but what can you do, you live with the God you have, not the God you want to have&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(ducking and running)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is schizophrenic</p>
<p>he talks to himself all the time</p>
<p>but what can you do, you live with the God you have, not the God you want to have</p>
<p>(ducking and running)</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;let’s stop thinking about what the repuglitards are gonna do to us and start thinking about what we’re gonna do to the repuglitards (to paraphrase General Grant)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m getting ready to read an article comparing bush to Herbert Hoover on economic policy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;for my less historically astute brethren, all I can say is THAT AIN’T GOOD (for george and the repuglitards)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we’re looking at a remaking of the political map here folks&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;do we really want to screw that up but picking nits amongst ourselves ???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let’s stop thinking about what the repuglitards are gonna do to us and start thinking about what we’re gonna do to the repuglitards (to paraphrase General Grant)</p>
<p>I’m getting ready to read an article comparing bush to Herbert Hoover on economic policy</p>
<p>for my less historically astute brethren, all I can say is THAT AIN’T GOOD (for george and the repuglitards)</p>
<p>we’re looking at a remaking of the political map here folks</p>
<p>do we really want to screw that up but picking nits amongst ourselves ???</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh, I dunno, maybe it was EF Hutton passing as a deity….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I dunno, maybe it was EF Hutton passing as a deity….</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t know God and Allah talked.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t know God and Allah talked.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Precisely.  And even the Stones retired Sympathy For The Devil for a good long time to assist the healing process.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely.  And even the Stones retired Sympathy For The Devil for a good long time to assist the healing process.</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Can’t we stop fighting one another?” - K. Richards, Altamont, 1969.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Can’t we stop fighting one another?” &#8211; K. Richards, Altamont, 1969.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pete, this is the last advisory.  If you persist in carpeting the threads, there is a simple way to for that to be prevented.  You have expressed your opinions and feelings repetitively and excessively.  Enough.  Your contributions here are greatly appreciated, but on the Clinton-Obama front, the patience has flat worn out.  And it will NOT be censorship because you have been heard over and over and over.  Do not respond to this advisory, I have seen that before.  Just give it a rest or a vacation will be provided free of charge.  Please, I implore you; because I honestly have no desire for the necessary alternative.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, this is the last advisory.  If you persist in carpeting the threads, there is a simple way to for that to be prevented.  You have expressed your opinions and feelings repetitively and excessively.  Enough.  Your contributions here are greatly appreciated, but on the Clinton-Obama front, the patience has flat worn out.  And it will NOT be censorship because you have been heard over and over and over.  Do not respond to this advisory, I have seen that before.  Just give it a rest or a vacation will be provided free of charge.  Please, I implore you; because I honestly have no desire for the necessary alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*g* Nicely done. And she hasn’t pivoted–plain and simple the Clintons want to hold power and never relinquish it and Bill has been very off his game in handling this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think Bmaz appreciates that behind the scenes the Clintons are trying to hold onto major power in an Obama administration and someone needs to tie them down and break the news that is not happening.  There were a lot of people who expected big jobs from the Clintons who aren’t going to be getting them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is no way for Clintons to hold power in an Obama administration period.  That day is over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Obama wasn’t about to have the nastiness of the teenage girls underage on those Burkle plain rides that did happen rear its head repeatedly in that campaign. I don’t care whether Hillary really wanted VP or the Supreme Court (not qualified) or HHS (surely not qualified we need a seasoned savvy MD in there for a change–that’s why it’s named Health).  Why Bill got caught up in the Burkle and Brian Epstein his teenage chick procuring buddy on plane rides with all the girls half Chelsea’s age on the Burkle gulfstream your guess is good as mine but he sure as hell did.  That’s between Hillary and Bill if they talk about it–not to be aired among Obama and the American people and the media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I  I see a lot of parallels in the Soprano TV show struggles between the New Jersey mafia and the New York mafia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t remember Paul Tsongas asking for guarantees or Ralph Nadar.  I do remember the Clinton campaign in 1992 telling them to stop campaigning against him in March in fact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m rereading Ply Sci Prof Merle Black’s excellent book &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.ca/Vital-South-How-Presidents-Elected/dp/images/0674941314&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Vital South: How President’s are Elected&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;because it helpfully and practically explains how this election will be won by Obama if they heed the Blacks’ (husband wife authors) suggestions IMHO.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And darkly but truly Bill has criminal liability potentially in the revealing of those library contributions.  That’s why he won’t reveal them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On its face it’s a presidential library right?  It’s supposed to be about preserving history not a mafia money machine where $31.5 million comes from making a deal with a civil rights butcher in &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kazakhstan.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess Bmaz is implying that my supporting links from the &lt;em&gt;New York Times &lt;/em&gt;a small town newspaper in Hillary’s state who supported and endorsed her in the beginning are just a large mirage in the Arizona sun.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*g* Nicely done. And she hasn’t pivoted–plain and simple the Clintons want to hold power and never relinquish it and Bill has been very off his game in handling this.</p>
<p>I don’t think Bmaz appreciates that behind the scenes the Clintons are trying to hold onto major power in an Obama administration and someone needs to tie them down and break the news that is not happening.  There were a lot of people who expected big jobs from the Clintons who aren’t going to be getting them.</p>
<p>There is no way for Clintons to hold power in an Obama administration period.  That day is over.</p>
<p>And Obama wasn’t about to have the nastiness of the teenage girls underage on those Burkle plain rides that did happen rear its head repeatedly in that campaign. I don’t care whether Hillary really wanted VP or the Supreme Court (not qualified) or HHS (surely not qualified we need a seasoned savvy MD in there for a change–that’s why it’s named Health).  Why Bill got caught up in the Burkle and Brian Epstein his teenage chick procuring buddy on plane rides with all the girls half Chelsea’s age on the Burkle gulfstream your guess is good as mine but he sure as hell did.  That’s between Hillary and Bill if they talk about it–not to be aired among Obama and the American people and the media.</p>
<p>I  I see a lot of parallels in the Soprano TV show struggles between the New Jersey mafia and the New York mafia.</p>
<p>I don’t remember Paul Tsongas asking for guarantees or Ralph Nadar.  I do remember the Clinton campaign in 1992 telling them to stop campaigning against him in March in fact.</p>
<p>I’m rereading Ply Sci Prof Merle Black’s excellent book <strong><a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Vital-South-How-Presidents-Elected/dp/images/0674941314" rel="nofollow">The Vital South: How President’s are Elected</a></strong></p>
<p>because it helpfully and practically explains how this election will be won by Obama if they heed the Blacks’ (husband wife authors) suggestions IMHO.</p>
<p>And darkly but truly Bill has criminal liability potentially in the revealing of those library contributions.  That’s why he won’t reveal them.</p>
<p>On its face it’s a presidential library right?  It’s supposed to be about preserving history not a mafia money machine where $31.5 million comes from making a deal with a civil rights butcher in <strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html" rel="nofollow">Kazakhstan.</a></strong></p>
<p>I guess Bmaz is implying that my supporting links from the <em>New York Times </em>a small town newspaper in Hillary’s state who supported and endorsed her in the beginning are just a large mirage in the Arizona sun.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You mean the way that all media outlets print and the TVs that you have on in your home are right?  How are you directing that they move on Bob?  Calls to the network vp? Calls to the newspaper publisher?  I’m looking at the hiwaii newspapers jumping up on my notebook and the hawaii tv stations websites and they aren’t talking about who was in that coffin in the last episode of LOST.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And btw I have only responded to posts when I have carefully ferreted out the information and I know my sources are correct from the Obama campaign whatever Bmaz’s sources are from the Clintons.  I know what I pointed out seems to be like a cross for a vampire or a stake in the heart for a vampire for the liberal blogs because ole FDL has not mentioned one scintilla of the Clinton financials and since they didn’t vet the Clintons you can bet the Obama campaign did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I responded only when someone made a statement that I was essentially stupid and didn’t know what I was talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And keep both your eyes open.  Clinton is going to be sent back to the Senate, or she can sulk at home but she is going to be isolated and told to get back to work and get out of the stories in this campaign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She is crying out for the attention. She doesn’t want to let go of the limelight or her delegates and both will be taken from her cold clutching hands.  She is behaving like a spoiled child and it is hurting the Democratic chances.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She has no right to any gurantees. She ran she lost.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Patriots have no right to the gurantee of this year’s Lombardi trophy.  The Lakers have no right to the guarantee of any paper saying they won last night.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know the Clintons want to tell themselves they didn’t lose but they did.  And many of us don’t care what they tell themselves. Hillary can campaign in her back yard in DC or NY every hour if she likes, but she needs to get out of the way. She is refusing. It is not helping any of her causes and her supporters to continue to divide the Democrats and for her to continue to hope to mount delegates at Denver.  She has not conceded. She has not released her delegates. Her email to Wonkette was real.  The media hasn’t picked it up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I did not see you or anyone else respond to the financial questions that the Clintons were asked to explain by the Obama campaign and I assume you want to pretend they don’t exist and that it’s just fine for Clinton to keep pitching her delegates at Denver.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She has no right to any guarantees from Obama and she’s not getting them. She’s in the Senate. If she’s such an experienced person–she claims she’s ready from day one for solutions–ball is in her court.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s see some solutions from Clinton in the U.S. Senate.  How bout FISA–it’s sinking fast and you’re not going to be happy. How’s Clinton helping FISA.  Why isn’t she back on the Senate floor? Campaign for her is OVER but she hasn’t acknowleged it and gotten her ass off the TV. And that’s intentional on her part.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean the way that all media outlets print and the TVs that you have on in your home are right?  How are you directing that they move on Bob?  Calls to the network vp? Calls to the newspaper publisher?  I’m looking at the hiwaii newspapers jumping up on my notebook and the hawaii tv stations websites and they aren’t talking about who was in that coffin in the last episode of LOST.</p>
<p>And btw I have only responded to posts when I have carefully ferreted out the information and I know my sources are correct from the Obama campaign whatever Bmaz’s sources are from the Clintons.  I know what I pointed out seems to be like a cross for a vampire or a stake in the heart for a vampire for the liberal blogs because ole FDL has not mentioned one scintilla of the Clinton financials and since they didn’t vet the Clintons you can bet the Obama campaign did.</p>
<p>I responded only when someone made a statement that I was essentially stupid and didn’t know what I was talking about.</p>
<p>And keep both your eyes open.  Clinton is going to be sent back to the Senate, or she can sulk at home but she is going to be isolated and told to get back to work and get out of the stories in this campaign.</p>
<p>She is crying out for the attention. She doesn’t want to let go of the limelight or her delegates and both will be taken from her cold clutching hands.  She is behaving like a spoiled child and it is hurting the Democratic chances.</p>
<p>She has no right to any gurantees. She ran she lost.</p>
<p>The Patriots have no right to the gurantee of this year’s Lombardi trophy.  The Lakers have no right to the guarantee of any paper saying they won last night.</p>
<p>I know the Clintons want to tell themselves they didn’t lose but they did.  And many of us don’t care what they tell themselves. Hillary can campaign in her back yard in DC or NY every hour if she likes, but she needs to get out of the way. She is refusing. It is not helping any of her causes and her supporters to continue to divide the Democrats and for her to continue to hope to mount delegates at Denver.  She has not conceded. She has not released her delegates. Her email to Wonkette was real.  The media hasn’t picked it up.</p>
<p>I did not see you or anyone else respond to the financial questions that the Clintons were asked to explain by the Obama campaign and I assume you want to pretend they don’t exist and that it’s just fine for Clinton to keep pitching her delegates at Denver.</p>
<p>She has no right to any guarantees from Obama and she’s not getting them. She’s in the Senate. If she’s such an experienced person–she claims she’s ready from day one for solutions–ball is in her court.</p>
<p>Let’s see some solutions from Clinton in the U.S. Senate.  How bout FISA–it’s sinking fast and you’re not going to be happy. How’s Clinton helping FISA.  Why isn’t she back on the Senate floor? Campaign for her is OVER but she hasn’t acknowleged it and gotten her ass off the TV. And that’s intentional on her part.</p>
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