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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Too many books!&lt;/i&gt; And that’s just the ones that actually are worth reading.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Was wandering through a Borders last year when it dawned on me: publishing really is an industry.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Too many books!</i> And that’s just the ones that actually are worth reading.</p>
<p>(Was wandering through a Borders last year when it dawned on me: publishing really is an industry.)</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the info. I didn’t have time for &lt;em&gt;Trillion Dollar Meltdown&lt;/em&gt;, but primarily b/c I’ve still not finished Kevin Phillips’ book, and just bought McClellan’s today.  But I’ve bookmarked the link you gave and will check it out this week — good publishing houses are definitely worth supporting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FWIW,  Richard Clarke’s chapter on cybersecurity looks like it’s going to be really interesting, and I’m glad to have a copy before the elections — this topic needs A LOT more discussion.  But first McClellan, then Clarke… so many books, so little time!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info. I didn’t have time for <em>Trillion Dollar Meltdown</em>, but primarily b/c I’ve still not finished Kevin Phillips’ book, and just bought McClellan’s today.  But I’ve bookmarked the link you gave and will check it out this week — good publishing houses are definitely worth supporting.</p>
<p>FWIW,  Richard Clarke’s chapter on cybersecurity looks like it’s going to be really interesting, and I’m glad to have a copy before the elections — this topic needs A LOT more discussion.  But first McClellan, then Clarke… so many books, so little time!</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-charles-r-morris-the-trillion-dollar-meltdown-easy-money-high-rollers-and-the-great-credit-crash/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Trillion Dollar Meltdown&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is another PublicAffairs book. They’re small and relatively new (1997), and were named after Morris B. Scnapper’s Public Affairs Press, which often handled books by high-level political figures, among other kinds of authors; the colophon in TDM mentions Truman, Gandhi, and Nasser as well as Toynbee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the new press has taken up their mantle, then no doubt, whatever publishers submit prospective authors to, McClellan had to go through with them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-charles-r-morris-the-trillion-dollar-meltdown-easy-money-high-rollers-and-the-great-credit-crash/" rel="nofollow"><i>Trillion Dollar Meltdown</i></a> is another PublicAffairs book. They’re small and relatively new (1997), and were named after Morris B. Scnapper’s Public Affairs Press, which often handled books by high-level political figures, among other kinds of authors; the colophon in TDM mentions Truman, Gandhi, and Nasser as well as Toynbee.</p>
<p>If the new press has taken up their mantle, then no doubt, whatever publishers submit prospective authors to, McClellan had to go through with them.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, it’s interesting to watch MTP with McClellan and catch up on other interviews of McClellan — and follow the news reports confirming that his publisher was not a ‘major press,’ and has now ordered an additional press run over the weekend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if McClellan was shopping his book idea around in Jan 2007, and it never really went anywhere — but then, he hooked up with Public Affairs (whose editor seems to have been astute enough, and committed enough to help him delve more deeply than he’d originally planned).  Public Affairs is evidently not  simply a ‘vanity press’, and its unclear why they accepted his book proposal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But IIRC, the Scooter Libby trial began in Feb 2007, as McClellan was either shopping his book idea, or having to answer difficult questions from the editor at Public Affairs about what he had to say that was worth the cost and hassle of printing books. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So McClellan would have been writing his book (and, quite possibly reading the ‘lefty blogs’, as well as ‘righty’ blogs since both were relevant to his topic) as Libby’s trial proceeded, and on into the summer when Scooter   — who’d basically hung him out to dry, along with Cheney, Rove, and GWBush — was pardoned by the Preznit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And watching those events unfold, while trying to write about the WH, would have prompted anyone’s thoughts to do a bunch of pretzel twists.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fascinating.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, it’s interesting to watch MTP with McClellan and catch up on other interviews of McClellan — and follow the news reports confirming that his publisher was not a ‘major press,’ and has now ordered an additional press run over the weekend.</p>
<p>So if McClellan was shopping his book idea around in Jan 2007, and it never really went anywhere — but then, he hooked up with Public Affairs (whose editor seems to have been astute enough, and committed enough to help him delve more deeply than he’d originally planned).  Public Affairs is evidently not  simply a ‘vanity press’, and its unclear why they accepted his book proposal.</p>
<p>But IIRC, the Scooter Libby trial began in Feb 2007, as McClellan was either shopping his book idea, or having to answer difficult questions from the editor at Public Affairs about what he had to say that was worth the cost and hassle of printing books. </p>
<p>So McClellan would have been writing his book (and, quite possibly reading the ‘lefty blogs’, as well as ‘righty’ blogs since both were relevant to his topic) as Libby’s trial proceeded, and on into the summer when Scooter   — who’d basically hung him out to dry, along with Cheney, Rove, and GWBush — was pardoned by the Preznit.</p>
<p>And watching those events unfold, while trying to write about the WH, would have prompted anyone’s thoughts to do a bunch of pretzel twists.  </p>
<p>Fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, it’s interesting to try and sort out how much of this is due to social and personal psychology.  Given the number of times I’ve encountered the phrase ‘Bush Family Omerta’, it’s stands to reason that fear and intimidation are inherent in the social structures they create.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’ve not read John Dean’s “&lt;em&gt;Conservatives Without Conscience&lt;/em&gt;“, it’s invaluable for pondering the social implications of personal psychology, and the nature of the neocons and BushCheney administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if you read John Dean’s book and think about the implications, you can start to understand how an insider (Paul O’Neill, Scott McClellan)  doing some heartfelt, public truth telling is &lt;em&gt;deeply&lt;/em&gt; threatening to them.  Look at how Pat Robertson went after any evangelical (like Jim Wallis) who dared question his Great Influence. It’s ugly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They kind of feed on external conflict; internal dissention unglues them. (Kind of like a political version of Enron or the 700 Club; they’ll eat their own young before they’ll tolerate any threat of dissention.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As nasty as they are about us ‘lefty bloggers’ (and I say that as someone with a history of contributing to the political campaigns of both Dems and Republicans), they’re even more ruthless and vindictive to anyone who’s been in their bubble and then has the audacity to leave.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It wouldn’t be at all surprising if the WH mouthpieces wailing about how they “don’t recognize Scotty” is actually true to their experience.  They probably thought Scott McClellan was under their thumb and compliant.  But we’ll find out whether he’s made of sterner stuff after all, and it looks like he may be. Here’s hoping… But I can’t say that I envy him (even if I may begin to respect him).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it’s interesting to try and sort out how much of this is due to social and personal psychology.  Given the number of times I’ve encountered the phrase ‘Bush Family Omerta’, it’s stands to reason that fear and intimidation are inherent in the social structures they create.</p>
<p>If you’ve not read John Dean’s “<em>Conservatives Without Conscience</em>“, it’s invaluable for pondering the social implications of personal psychology, and the nature of the neocons and BushCheney administration.</p>
<p>And if you read John Dean’s book and think about the implications, you can start to understand how an insider (Paul O’Neill, Scott McClellan)  doing some heartfelt, public truth telling is <em>deeply</em> threatening to them.  Look at how Pat Robertson went after any evangelical (like Jim Wallis) who dared question his Great Influence. It’s ugly.</p>
<p>They kind of feed on external conflict; internal dissention unglues them. (Kind of like a political version of Enron or the 700 Club; they’ll eat their own young before they’ll tolerate any threat of dissention.)</p>
<p>As nasty as they are about us ‘lefty bloggers’ (and I say that as someone with a history of contributing to the political campaigns of both Dems and Republicans), they’re even more ruthless and vindictive to anyone who’s been in their bubble and then has the audacity to leave.</p>
<p>It wouldn’t be at all surprising if the WH mouthpieces wailing about how they “don’t recognize Scotty” is actually true to their experience.  They probably thought Scott McClellan was under their thumb and compliant.  But we’ll find out whether he’s made of sterner stuff after all, and it looks like he may be. Here’s hoping… But I can’t say that I envy him (even if I may begin to respect him).</p>
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		<title>By: rapt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rapt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 20:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Earl,  I like your analysis too.  I flipped back up to your post again after tea leaves mentioned it, and now I have an image of the 05 WH “locked down”, the whole gang of them swearing fealty to the boss(es) out of fear and a gang sense, as was mentioned by wavpeac above in #5, point #6.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if you’ll allow a bit of speculation here, the law is loose lips sink ships, a phrase borrowed from the last century, applied now to the unitary executive.  Each and every member of the gang, whether he joined willingly or not, is under a (implied perhaps) threat of death if he talks out of turn or slips up otherwise.  I’d go so far as to say that this threat applies to everybody all the way up, including Fitz, army generals, senators, everybody.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even now, with McC’s leaky book out, I have the feeling as others do, that Cheneyco still relies on that threat, which includes govt collapse *if you say the wrong thing*.  Perhaps Scottie and his family have thrown down the gauntlet finally, have dared the cabal to try and make good on the threat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl,  I like your analysis too.  I flipped back up to your post again after tea leaves mentioned it, and now I have an image of the 05 WH “locked down”, the whole gang of them swearing fealty to the boss(es) out of fear and a gang sense, as was mentioned by wavpeac above in #5, point #6.</p>
<p>So if you’ll allow a bit of speculation here, the law is loose lips sink ships, a phrase borrowed from the last century, applied now to the unitary executive.  Each and every member of the gang, whether he joined willingly or not, is under a (implied perhaps) threat of death if he talks out of turn or slips up otherwise.  I’d go so far as to say that this threat applies to everybody all the way up, including Fitz, army generals, senators, everybody.</p>
<p>Even now, with McC’s leaky book out, I have the feeling as others do, that Cheneyco still relies on that threat, which includes govt collapse *if you say the wrong thing*.  Perhaps Scottie and his family have thrown down the gauntlet finally, have dared the cabal to try and make good on the threat.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have long been impressed by your deductive capabilities, but the logic here is elegant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long been impressed by your deductive capabilities, but the logic here is elegant.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t have the book, but EW indicated on her short radio appearance this morning that she would be blogging on a number of places where she believes McClelland is still lying.  Has anyone seen some of those passages?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t have the book, but EW indicated on her short radio appearance this morning that she would be blogging on a number of places where she believes McClelland is still lying.  Has anyone seen some of those passages?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe, but remember that Harriet was not WH Counsel until AGAG left for DOJ.  Before that, she was  White House staff secretary and Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy.  Now you can assert executive privilege for that time period, but I don’t know about atty/client privilege.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, but remember that Harriet was not WH Counsel until AGAG left for DOJ.  Before that, she was  White House staff secretary and Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy.  Now you can assert executive privilege for that time period, but I don’t know about atty/client privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;O/T (more Guantanamo): I didn’t realize that yet another detainee has status in the UK, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/31/guantanamo.usa&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Binyam Mohammed&lt;/a&gt; apparently does, although he isn’t a citizen. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The last remaining Guantánamo detainee with an automatic right to return to the UK is facing the death penalty after being charged with terrorism offences, a legal charity said today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Binyam Mohammed, 29, from Kensington, west London, denies any wrongdoing and claims all evidence against him was extracted through torture by US interrogators in a Moroccan prison after he was “rendered” there from Pakistan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The case will now be referred to the US Military Commissions’ Convening Authority, which has 30 days to decide whether to press ahead with the charges.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel a bit guilty campaigning so much on behalf of detainees who have national rights as Westerners, since there are hundreds of guys caught up in this meat grinder whose names and stories I don’t even know but whose human rights are undoubtedly being violated every bit as much as are a Canadian’s or a Brit’s. But Khadr remains the one case I can actually do something about in the short term, so that’s what I do. “The last Westerners left at Guantanamo …” — it is horrible to be reduced to that position, but there some of us are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O/T (more Guantanamo): I didn’t realize that yet another detainee has status in the UK, but <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/31/guantanamo.usa" rel="nofollow">Binyam Mohammed</a> apparently does, although he isn’t a citizen. </p>
<blockquote><p>The last remaining Guantánamo detainee with an automatic right to return to the UK is facing the death penalty after being charged with terrorism offences, a legal charity said today.</p>
<p>Binyam Mohammed, 29, from Kensington, west London, denies any wrongdoing and claims all evidence against him was extracted through torture by US interrogators in a Moroccan prison after he was “rendered” there from Pakistan.</p>
<p>The case will now be referred to the US Military Commissions’ Convening Authority, which has 30 days to decide whether to press ahead with the charges.</p>
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<p>I feel a bit guilty campaigning so much on behalf of detainees who have national rights as Westerners, since there are hundreds of guys caught up in this meat grinder whose names and stories I don’t even know but whose human rights are undoubtedly being violated every bit as much as are a Canadian’s or a Brit’s. But Khadr remains the one case I can actually do something about in the short term, so that’s what I do. “The last Westerners left at Guantanamo …” — it is horrible to be reduced to that position, but there some of us are.</p>
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