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		<title>By: hdshrnkr</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73650</link>
		<dc:creator>hdshrnkr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s  the thing, I was trying to sort it all out in the shower.  The reason there isn’t one easy solution is because there isn’t one easy problem.  There are at least four.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Group One’s Problem&lt;/strong&gt;.  Lets give them the name (and why not?) &lt;em&gt;Hilly&lt;/em&gt;.  They represent the people who came out and voted for their candidate whose name was on the ballot.  They want their vote to count, which makes perfect sense.  It’s a democracy and they did what democrats are supposed to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;but then we have Group Two’s Problem&lt;/strong&gt;.  Let’s call this group &lt;em&gt;Obi&lt;/em&gt;.  They represent the people whose candidate was NOT on the ballot that day, so they either wrote him in or voted for someone else or took a republican ballot in order to make the other side weaker.  They didn’t have a chance to make their vote count, so they don’t want the primary to count and this makes perfect sense too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Next we have Group Three’s Problem&lt;/strong&gt;.  Lets call them &lt;em&gt;Abstainy&lt;/em&gt;.  They didn’t vote on primary day because they thought their vote wouldn’t count and/or their candidate wasn’t on the ballot and they excised their right to choose by not choosing.  They don’t want other people’s choice to count more than their no-choice choice, since they didn’t get their choice.  This makes perfect sense also.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally we have group four.  Lets call them “no opinions”.  The N.O.’s didn’t vote on primary day because they really didn’t care or have a preference.  Their lack of vote is an ACTUAL lack of vote, not a demonstration of the flawed primary.  They don’t think their failure to vote should be counted as anything.  And who can blame them? This makes perfect sense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what would make, Hilly, Obi, Abby and NO happy?  Not the same thing.  Hilly and Abby would be happy if their votes and NON votes counted with equal weight.  Obi and NO want nobody’s votes to count since theirs can’t be accurately reflected.  What is the solution?  Is one of these groups more important then the other?  Its theoretically possible that everybody’s voice is more important than NO’s, since doing something for a decision should probably matter more than doing nothing. But each group has to be respected in this, or the solution is not really a solution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finding the right solution hinges on correct identification of the problem.  And the problem here is how to deal with the hurt feelings of a primary fiasco. I think there can only be one solution, which is to let the losers decide.  If the contest isn’t actually at stake (and everything I’m reading says its been decided) the winners should let the losers decide, and do what would make Hilly Happy.  It isn’t fair to three other groups, but its a solution, and it would allow us to go forward which is far more important than standing here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember when your mom would make one of you cut the piece of cake and the other one choose which they wanted?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That won’t work now, but wasn’t that cool?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s  the thing, I was trying to sort it all out in the shower.  The reason there isn’t one easy solution is because there isn’t one easy problem.  There are at least four.</p>
<p><strong>Group One’s Problem</strong>.  Lets give them the name (and why not?) <em>Hilly</em>.  They represent the people who came out and voted for their candidate whose name was on the ballot.  They want their vote to count, which makes perfect sense.  It’s a democracy and they did what democrats are supposed to do.</p>
<p><strong>but then we have Group Two’s Problem</strong>.  Let’s call this group <em>Obi</em>.  They represent the people whose candidate was NOT on the ballot that day, so they either wrote him in or voted for someone else or took a republican ballot in order to make the other side weaker.  They didn’t have a chance to make their vote count, so they don’t want the primary to count and this makes perfect sense too.</p>
<p><strong>Next we have Group Three’s Problem</strong>.  Lets call them <em>Abstainy</em>.  They didn’t vote on primary day because they thought their vote wouldn’t count and/or their candidate wasn’t on the ballot and they excised their right to choose by not choosing.  They don’t want other people’s choice to count more than their no-choice choice, since they didn’t get their choice.  This makes perfect sense also.</p>
<p>Finally we have group four.  Lets call them “no opinions”.  The N.O.’s didn’t vote on primary day because they really didn’t care or have a preference.  Their lack of vote is an ACTUAL lack of vote, not a demonstration of the flawed primary.  They don’t think their failure to vote should be counted as anything.  And who can blame them? This makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>So what would make, Hilly, Obi, Abby and NO happy?  Not the same thing.  Hilly and Abby would be happy if their votes and NON votes counted with equal weight.  Obi and NO want nobody’s votes to count since theirs can’t be accurately reflected.  What is the solution?  Is one of these groups more important then the other?  Its theoretically possible that everybody’s voice is more important than NO’s, since doing something for a decision should probably matter more than doing nothing. But each group has to be respected in this, or the solution is not really a solution.</p>
<p>Finding the right solution hinges on correct identification of the problem.  And the problem here is how to deal with the hurt feelings of a primary fiasco. I think there can only be one solution, which is to let the losers decide.  If the contest isn’t actually at stake (and everything I’m reading says its been decided) the winners should let the losers decide, and do what would make Hilly Happy.  It isn’t fair to three other groups, but its a solution, and it would allow us to go forward which is far more important than standing here.</p>
<p>Remember when your mom would make one of you cut the piece of cake and the other one choose which they wanted?</p>
<p>That won’t work now, but wasn’t that cool?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73433</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  Has been particularly difficult to get through to folks who haven’t been participants in the party process here how very flawed this whole mess has been from day one; still struggling to make sense of the conversation we had with Levin two weeks ago, and how disconnected his presentation today seems from that chat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still irks the crap out of me how many union folks likely crossed party lines because they were torqued off by the machinations of the superdelegates who were aligned with particular candidate that delivered this clusterfuck.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we lose this state, it’s on their heads.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  Has been particularly difficult to get through to folks who haven’t been participants in the party process here how very flawed this whole mess has been from day one; still struggling to make sense of the conversation we had with Levin two weeks ago, and how disconnected his presentation today seems from that chat.</p>
<p>Still irks the crap out of me how many union folks likely crossed party lines because they were torqued off by the machinations of the superdelegates who were aligned with particular candidate that delivered this clusterfuck.</p>
<p>If we lose this state, it’s on their heads.</p>
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		<title>By: JMorgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh what a lovely bunch of coconuts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh what a lovely bunch of coconuts.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73326</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;current live blog thread is &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/rbc-the-early-evening-edition/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>current live blog thread is <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/rbc-the-early-evening-edition/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JTMinIA</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73319</link>
		<dc:creator>JTMinIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“We don’t play loose with our rules.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But you do sometimes pardon people for breaking them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We don’t play loose with our rules.”</p>
<p>But you do sometimes pardon people for breaking them.</p>
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		<title>By: JTMinIA</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73316</link>
		<dc:creator>JTMinIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On one hand, I’m sympathetic to the idea that “rules ought to have meat.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, I can’t stomach this coming from the same committee that gave a waiver to NH for breaking the exact same rule.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one hand, I’m sympathetic to the idea that “rules ought to have meat.”</p>
<p>On the other hand, I can’t stomach this coming from the same committee that gave a waiver to NH for breaking the exact same rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73314</link>
		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dang!  I missed the lull in the meeting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But in any case, pups, don’t forget to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-charles-r-morris-the-trillion-dollar-meltdown-easy-money-high-rollers-and-the-great-credit-crash/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon&lt;/a&gt; at FDL when you get a chance.  good discussion of “The Trillion Dollar Meltdown”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FunnyDiva&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang!  I missed the lull in the meeting.</p>
<p>But in any case, pups, don’t forget to check out <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-charles-r-morris-the-trillion-dollar-meltdown-easy-money-high-rollers-and-the-great-credit-crash/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon</a> at FDL when you get a chance.  good discussion of “The Trillion Dollar Meltdown”</p>
<p>FunnyDiva</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73304</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An astute observation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An astute observation.</p>
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		<title>By: tbsa</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73303</link>
		<dc:creator>tbsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not sure about that.  Only know they can liveblog.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about that.  Only know they can liveblog.</p>
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		<title>By: JMorgan</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/31/when-you-break-for-lunch-at-3pm/comment-page-2/#comment-73297</link>
		<dc:creator>JMorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let me clarify.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does FDL need to have its own server (hardware) to be able to live-blog?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a family/friends blog on Blogger, and I’m wondering what it takes to be able to do with my large brood.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me clarify.  </p>
<p>Does FDL need to have its own server (hardware) to be able to live-blog?  </p>
<p>I have a family/friends blog on Blogger, and I’m wondering what it takes to be able to do with my large brood.</p>
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