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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/30/the-waterboard/comment-page-1/#comment-72125</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some history of the strength of US world citizenship with respect to prisoner fair treatment dates to an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aspeninstitute.org/site/c.huLWJeMRKpH/b.612507/k.D0AE/Fall_1994.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;appropriation law Clinton signed in 1994&lt;/a&gt; which also trimmed US propaganda budgets, one of his early initiatives.  Predecessor Reagan had hassles with the UN, a narrative Clinton tried to modernize with greater integration and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=LQdf73pCqqj1yT5ykvl39qpJLjB8knJnv0902H347KSTPLL4lbKB!-1180977944?docId=79255902&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;less showboating&lt;/a&gt;.  I plan to read the new aclu foia batch of cia documents in text comparison with some of the early Yoo material, as well as the Kubark document archived in 2007.  So far, the initial perusal looks like cia being tentative about being too credulous toward the patently specious 2002 proliferativeness of Yoo and Gonzales, irrespective of the preponderance of redacted blackholes in the currently available document set.&lt;br /&gt;
On ew’s post’s title, nominalization is a modern speech trait for folks who eschew verbs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some history of the strength of US world citizenship with respect to prisoner fair treatment dates to an <a href="http://www.aspeninstitute.org/site/c.huLWJeMRKpH/b.612507/k.D0AE/Fall_1994.htm" rel="nofollow">appropriation law Clinton signed in 1994</a> which also trimmed US propaganda budgets, one of his early initiatives.  Predecessor Reagan had hassles with the UN, a narrative Clinton tried to modernize with greater integration and <a href="http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=LQdf73pCqqj1yT5ykvl39qpJLjB8knJnv0902H347KSTPLL4lbKB!-1180977944?docId=79255902" rel="nofollow">less showboating</a>.  I plan to read the new aclu foia batch of cia documents in text comparison with some of the early Yoo material, as well as the Kubark document archived in 2007.  So far, the initial perusal looks like cia being tentative about being too credulous toward the patently specious 2002 proliferativeness of Yoo and Gonzales, irrespective of the preponderance of redacted blackholes in the currently available document set.<br />
On ew’s post’s title, nominalization is a modern speech trait for folks who eschew verbs.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/30/the-waterboard/comment-page-1/#comment-71969</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i just started listening to today’s electric politics podcast. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2008/05/the_art_of_pragmatic_policy_ma.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;george kenney has interviewed larry wilkerson&lt;/a&gt; and they are discussing wilkerson’s understanding of what happened with the principles meetings etc. i’m only 20 min in (the interview is a little bit over an hour long), but it’s very good so far and kenney is one of my favorite interviewers. recommended.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and i’ll just mention &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/12/the-betrayal-of-american-values/#comment-1440558&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;again&lt;/a&gt; another excellent and related recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2008/05/of_tongues_and_ticking_time_bo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview kenney did with darius rejali&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just started listening to today’s electric politics podcast. <a href="http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2008/05/the_art_of_pragmatic_policy_ma.html" rel="nofollow">george kenney has interviewed larry wilkerson</a> and they are discussing wilkerson’s understanding of what happened with the principles meetings etc. i’m only 20 min in (the interview is a little bit over an hour long), but it’s very good so far and kenney is one of my favorite interviewers. recommended.</p>
<p>and i’ll just mention <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/12/the-betrayal-of-american-values/#comment-1440558" rel="nofollow">again</a> another excellent and related recent <a href="http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2008/05/of_tongues_and_ticking_time_bo.html" rel="nofollow">interview kenney did with darius rejali</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW&lt;br /&gt;
   “…pretends that human beings are not the ones inflicting it”. And denies thare’s any “inflicting” going on. There’s “applying”, “using”, and, whoohoo, “administering”. These are ways of avoiding talking about what is occurring, and I surmize the reason for this avoidance is that these folk are ashamed of what they did/do, or are afraid of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW<br />
   “…pretends that human beings are not the ones inflicting it”. And denies thare’s any “inflicting” going on. There’s “applying”, “using”, and, whoohoo, “administering”. These are ways of avoiding talking about what is occurring, and I surmize the reason for this avoidance is that these folk are ashamed of what they did/do, or are afraid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its the same with the word “theatre” for war times. It makes my husband yell every time big wigs of Bushco talk about the “theatre” of war. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really it’s a theatre?? What happened to the “front lines”?? That’s a good one. Or even the word “war” itself. The word “war” or “conflict” is sanitizing the same as the words “spanking”. We do sanitize our violent behavior in many ways which should be dead give away that their is a problem we don’t want to face or look at.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are so many words and so little time that would support the point. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think of Benjamin Whorf and the way we talk about violence certainly has cultural and social implications.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the same with the word “theatre” for war times. It makes my husband yell every time big wigs of Bushco talk about the “theatre” of war. </p>
<p>Really it’s a theatre?? What happened to the “front lines”?? That’s a good one. Or even the word “war” itself. The word “war” or “conflict” is sanitizing the same as the words “spanking”. We do sanitize our violent behavior in many ways which should be dead give away that their is a problem we don’t want to face or look at.</p>
<p>There are so many words and so little time that would support the point. </p>
<p>I think of Benjamin Whorf and the way we talk about violence certainly has cultural and social implications.</p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the mouth and nose covering and the water are not mentioned—much less coughing, spitting, and exclamations of distress—it’s as if the waterboard were just an office tool brought in to increase productivity and to improve the user experience—the users being the interrogators and their bosses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the mouth and nose covering and the water are not mentioned—much less coughing, spitting, and exclamations of distress—it’s as if the waterboard were just an office tool brought in to increase productivity and to improve the user experience—the users being the interrogators and their bosses.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In other words, the agents distance themselves via gobbledygook from their rôle as agents of injury and harm.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, the agents distance themselves via gobbledygook from their rôle as agents of injury and harm.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t know why this bugs me so much, but it does. It really emphasizes the clinical and bureaucratic nature of this practices, and pretends that human beings are not the ones inflicting it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;— &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;OPERATORS OR VERBAL FALSE LIMBS&lt;/strong&gt;. These save the trouble of picking out appropriate verbs and nouns, and at the same time pad each sentence with extra syllables which give it an appearance of symmetry. Characteristic phrases are &lt;em&gt;render inoperative, militate against, make contact with, be subjected to, give rise to, give grounds for, have the effect of, play a leading part (role) in, make itself felt, take effect, exhibit a tendency to, serve the purpose of&lt;/em&gt;, etc., etc. The keynote is the elimination of simple verbs. Instead of being a single word, such as &lt;em&gt;break, stop, spoil, mend, kill,&lt;/em&gt; a verb becomes a &lt;em&gt;phrase&lt;/em&gt;, made up of a noun or adjective tacked on to some general-purpose verb such as &lt;em&gt;prove, serve, form, play, render&lt;/em&gt;. In addition, the passive voice is wherever possible used in preference to the active, and noun constructions are used instead of gerunds (&lt;em&gt;by examination&lt;/em&gt; of instead of &lt;em&gt;by examining&lt;/em&gt;). The range of verbs is further cut down by means of the &lt;em&gt;-ize&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;de-&lt;/em&gt; formations, and the banal statements are given an appearance of profundity by means of the not un- formation. Simple conjunctions and prepositions are replaced by such phrases as &lt;em&gt;with respect to, having regard to, the fact that, by dint of, in view of, in the interests of, on the hypothesis that&lt;/em&gt;; and the ends of sentences are saved by anticlimax by such resounding commonplaces as &lt;em&gt;greatly to be desired, cannot be left out of account, a development to be expected in the near future, deserving of serious consideration, brought to a satisfactory conclusion&lt;/em&gt;, and so on and so forth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From &lt;a href=&quot;http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George Orwell: Politics and the English Language&lt;/a&gt; (orwell.ru)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know why this bugs me so much, but it does. It really emphasizes the clinical and bureaucratic nature of this practices, and pretends that human beings are not the ones inflicting it.</p>
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<p>— </p>
<p><strong>OPERATORS OR VERBAL FALSE LIMBS</strong>. These save the trouble of picking out appropriate verbs and nouns, and at the same time pad each sentence with extra syllables which give it an appearance of symmetry. Characteristic phrases are <em>render inoperative, militate against, make contact with, be subjected to, give rise to, give grounds for, have the effect of, play a leading part (role) in, make itself felt, take effect, exhibit a tendency to, serve the purpose of</em>, etc., etc. The keynote is the elimination of simple verbs. Instead of being a single word, such as <em>break, stop, spoil, mend, kill,</em> a verb becomes a <em>phrase</em>, made up of a noun or adjective tacked on to some general-purpose verb such as <em>prove, serve, form, play, render</em>. In addition, the passive voice is wherever possible used in preference to the active, and noun constructions are used instead of gerunds (<em>by examination</em> of instead of <em>by examining</em>). The range of verbs is further cut down by means of the <em>-ize</em> and <em>de-</em> formations, and the banal statements are given an appearance of profundity by means of the not un- formation. Simple conjunctions and prepositions are replaced by such phrases as <em>with respect to, having regard to, the fact that, by dint of, in view of, in the interests of, on the hypothesis that</em>; and the ends of sentences are saved by anticlimax by such resounding commonplaces as <em>greatly to be desired, cannot be left out of account, a development to be expected in the near future, deserving of serious consideration, brought to a satisfactory conclusion</em>, and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>From <a href="http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit" rel="nofollow">George Orwell: Politics and the English Language</a> (orwell.ru)</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s the only technique they’ve admitted to (and consequently declassified). All the rest of the CIA’s torture techniques are classified. Never mind that most of them are the same as the DOD torture techniques that are declassified.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s the only technique they’ve admitted to (and consequently declassified). All the rest of the CIA’s torture techniques are classified. Never mind that most of them are the same as the DOD torture techniques that are declassified.</p>
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		<title>By: RAMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I watched &lt;em&gt;Judgment at Nuremberg&lt;/em&gt; on Memorial Day and suggested to my wife that perhaps the entire Bush “Administration” ought to be sentenced to watch it. Not that they’d learn anything, I suppose. When I was covering a village board meeting several years ago, the village attorney described one complainant about some problem or another as “often wrong but never in doubt.” Sort of fits the whole Bushie cabal right down to the ground.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched <em>Judgment at Nuremberg</em> on Memorial Day and suggested to my wife that perhaps the entire Bush “Administration” ought to be sentenced to watch it. Not that they’d learn anything, I suppose. When I was covering a village board meeting several years ago, the village attorney described one complainant about some problem or another as “often wrong but never in doubt.” Sort of fits the whole Bushie cabal right down to the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yep, and not to make light of the use of “the xxx” in terms of torture instruments, let’s not forget our friends at Monte Python and the comfy chair.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, and not to make light of the use of “the xxx” in terms of torture instruments, let’s not forget our friends at Monte Python and the comfy chair.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnS49c9KZw8</a></p>
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