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	<title>Comments on: Will McCain Turn Over Requested Documents to the Renzi Prosecutors?</title>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In other McCain campaign evildoer news: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/28/71936/7339/767/524023&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UBS now afraid US-bound employees will be arrested&lt;/a&gt;.  Some USG investigation or other must be bearing fruit — signs of life in DoJ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other McCain campaign evildoer news: <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/28/71936/7339/767/524023" rel="nofollow">UBS now afraid US-bound employees will be arrested</a>.  Some USG investigation or other must be bearing fruit — signs of life in DoJ?</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nor, for that matter, does it appear the FBI sought to get a warrant to search or seize anything from McSame’s offices, residence, etc.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An upshot of the Jefferson “cold cash in the freezer” case.  Gonzo overstepped the bounds of interbranch comity to have the FBI toss a congressman’s office.  At the time, I predicted (a) there would be a significant Speech and Debate defense against that and (b) that it was Gonzo and DoJ innoculating the Republican criminals in Congress against later searches and prosecution for their looting over the last decade or so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So far, I’ve been proven right on (a), and it’s looking like I’m going to be proven right on (b).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor, for that matter, does it appear the FBI sought to get a warrant to search or seize anything from McSame’s offices, residence, etc.  </p>
<p>An upshot of the Jefferson “cold cash in the freezer” case.  Gonzo overstepped the bounds of interbranch comity to have the FBI toss a congressman’s office.  At the time, I predicted (a) there would be a significant Speech and Debate defense against that and (b) that it was Gonzo and DoJ innoculating the Republican criminals in Congress against later searches and prosecution for their looting over the last decade or so.</p>
<p>So far, I’ve been proven right on (a), and it’s looking like I’m going to be proven right on (b).</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All the results of these deals have to be recorded in the land records for the respective counties.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Used to be that enterprising reporters, when confronted with a deal involving land swaps, would go down to the County (be it the courthouse, the clerk or the registry office) and pull the records on the respective parcels of property.  One can tell an awful lot from the documents filed - they’re even organized such that one can see who sold what to whom, and then to whom that parcel went next.  It’s called “Chain of title”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After all, that’s how the whole Duke Cunningham thing got kicked over - the San Diego paper sent some reporter to look at the land deal in which Duke got a sweet mortgage for his (overvalued) house, and yadda yadda, it was all downhill from there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Got the S.D. paper a Pulitzer, if I remember correctly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More seriously, I expect McSame to invoke the Speech and Debate Clause to resist producing anything - that’s likely the hold-up on his producing anything to the FBI.  Note that the FBI did &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;(at least as far as the excerpts reproduced above indicate) either issue and serve a subpoena (or NSL), nor did they get the grand jury to issue one.  I’m, suspecting Renzi’s defense is likely to be “it only looks like bribery, but in reality it was preparing legislative action and therefore ‘not subject to being questioned in any other place’ under the Speech and Debate Clause”.  Sort of a variant on the “this is how business is done in Congress” defense from (was it) Wilkes’ case.  Remember, Duke never invoked it, instead taking one for the team by pleading without even seeking to make a deal on sentencing for his cooperation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the results of these deals have to be recorded in the land records for the respective counties.</p>
<p>Used to be that enterprising reporters, when confronted with a deal involving land swaps, would go down to the County (be it the courthouse, the clerk or the registry office) and pull the records on the respective parcels of property.  One can tell an awful lot from the documents filed &#8211; they’re even organized such that one can see who sold what to whom, and then to whom that parcel went next.  It’s called “Chain of title”.</p>
<p>After all, that’s how the whole Duke Cunningham thing got kicked over &#8211; the San Diego paper sent some reporter to look at the land deal in which Duke got a sweet mortgage for his (overvalued) house, and yadda yadda, it was all downhill from there.</p>
<p>Got the S.D. paper a Pulitzer, if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>More seriously, I expect McSame to invoke the Speech and Debate Clause to resist producing anything &#8211; that’s likely the hold-up on his producing anything to the FBI.  Note that the FBI did <em>not </em>(at least as far as the excerpts reproduced above indicate) either issue and serve a subpoena (or NSL), nor did they get the grand jury to issue one.  I’m, suspecting Renzi’s defense is likely to be “it only looks like bribery, but in reality it was preparing legislative action and therefore ‘not subject to being questioned in any other place’ under the Speech and Debate Clause”.  Sort of a variant on the “this is how business is done in Congress” defense from (was it) Wilkes’ case.  Remember, Duke never invoked it, instead taking one for the team by pleading without even seeking to make a deal on sentencing for his cooperation.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the only things I can find are from february.  Mccain said it “didn’t matter” if Renzi were indicted.  He also said Renzi would “probably” step down as campaign co chair but I do not see confirmation of this anywhere.  hmm.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only things I can find are from february.  Mccain said it “didn’t matter” if Renzi were indicted.  He also said Renzi would “probably” step down as campaign co chair but I do not see confirmation of this anywhere.  hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So the swap has already gone through, and the prosecutors are looking at who bribed whom in the process?  What about the copper that belonged to the people of Arizona?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the swap has already gone through, and the prosecutors are looking at who bribed whom in the process?  What about the copper that belonged to the people of Arizona?</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clearly McCain has all the qualifications he needs to be the next President Bush.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation</p>
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<p>Clearly McCain has all the qualifications he needs to be the next President Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not sure if McCain really removed him at all (he affirmatively refused to do so at first) so much as Renzi resigned; but that is off the top of my head, I could be wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if McCain really removed him at all (he affirmatively refused to do so at first) so much as Renzi resigned; but that is off the top of my head, I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Another edition of simple answers to simple questions.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.</p>
<p>[Another edition of simple answers to simple questions.]</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I forget. HOw long after Renzi was indicted did it take for McCain to remove him from his campaign?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget. HOw long after Renzi was indicted did it take for McCain to remove him from his campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush Legacy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t have to give you anything. and you can’t make me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t care about being viewed as &lt;strike&gt;a lying cheating scandalous scumbag who has betrayed the public trust &lt;/strike&gt;unpopular.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Talk to the hand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush Legacy:</p>
<p>I don’t have to give you anything. and you can’t make me.</p>
<p>I don’t care about being viewed as <strike>a lying cheating scandalous scumbag who has betrayed the public trust </strike>unpopular.</p>
<p>Talk to the hand.</p>
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