Apparently, Chairman Conyers received yet another letter from Robert Luskin claiming that Rove can spout off all he wants about his involvement (or not) in Governor Siegelman's prosecution, but he can't or won't do so before the House Judiciary.
Conyers isn't going to wait around for more of the same.
We were disappointed to receive your May 21 letter, which fails to explain why Mr. Rove is willing to answer questions in writing for the House Judiciary Committee, and has spoken on the record to the media, but continues to refuse to testify voluntarily before the Committee on the politicization of the Department of Justice, including allegations regarding the prosecution of former Governor Don Siegelman. Because of that continuing refusal, we enclose with this letter a subpoena for Mr. Rove’s appearance before the Committee’s Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee at 10:00 a.m. on July 10, 2008.
(Nice touch, Chairman Conyers, having the Subcommittee vote on it without, as far as I've heard, the news getting word.)
Now, as Conyers points out, this subpoena is a bit different than the subpoena that Harriet Miers blew off. For starters, Rove has been completely willing to answer questions in writing--and at least until now, he hasn't asked Bush whether Bush wanted to protect the alleged conversations between Rob Riley and Rove and the Public Integrity Division of DOJ. And, as Conyers reiterates, Rove has been blabbing and blabbing and blabbing about this to the press, so it'll be tough to argue that he can't continue to blab under oath.
One more difference. I wonder how the Courts will feel about enforcing a subpoena issued by someone who said "Someone's got to kick his ass"?
Just off the House floor today, the Crypt overheard House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers tell two other people: “We’re closing in on Rove. Someone’s got to kick his ass.”
Asked a few minutes later for a more official explanation, Conyers told us that Rove has a week to appear before his committee. If he doesn’t, said Conyers, “We’ll do what any self-respecting committee would do. We’d hold him in contempt. Either that or go and have him arrested.”
And finally, this weedy note. Apparently, Office of Professional Responsibility has informed the committee that it "has opened an investigation into" the politicized prosecutions of the Bush Administration.
Separately, Chairman Conyers recently received a letter from DOJ’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) indicating that the office has opened an investigation into allegations of selective prosecution of Siegelman and others.
Call me crazy, but it sounds like OPR is trying to stave off the Rove subpoena by claiming it has a prior investigation started.
Update: Or maybe I'm just being paranoid about the OPR investigation. I had remembered there was an earlier OPR investigation of Alice Martin that seemed, um, incomplete. But maybe under new management (Mukasey) and faced with the news that the prosecution did not turn over information that should have been turned over under Jencks, they decided to really do an investigation.
Update 2: This is kind of cool. CREDO called on its customers last month to encourage Marshall Jarrett to launch an investigation into the politicization of investigations.
So we here at CREDO picked this issue up, and in our April phone bills, urged our customers to send a letter to Dept. of Justice Counsel H. Marshall Jarrett and ask that he launch an investigation of apparent political motives in the selective prosecution of Siegelman.
Almost 20,000 of our customers sent hard-copy letters to Counsel Jarrett over the past several weeks...and just this morning, it was revealed that he has in fact initiated an investigation into the Siegeleman case from the DOJ's Office of Professional Responsibility.
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Who has presadence Congress or DOJ? Seems like DOJ could not claim it has prior claim when Congress has been investigating this for a while now.
Of course if we leave all this up to Dear Harry and Nancy it will never see the light of day.
Well, it certainly looks like it, doesn’t it?
That is sure what it sounds like.
Oh, the wheels grind slowly, but hopefully they keep moving.
I think I’m actually being paranoid.
I had remembered there was an earlier OPR investigation here–but it was an OPR investigation of one of the USAs involved, Alice Martin, unreleated to the Siegelman case.
So maybe they have just looked at the evidence that came up in the 60 Minutes piece and realized there is an ethical violation.
sorry for spelling error
anything…anything initiated by any past, present or future member of the Bush Administration, whether press briefing, investigation or anything should on its face be considered a delay, obstruct, obfuscate, spin, lie, … you get the idea … tactic meant to subvert Congress and the Constitution.
The truth is not in them.
And they have burned their presumption of anything but coverup.
yes, of course, exactly, ummm hummmm. I’m buyin’ that…
cite one precedent of the Bush Administration acting in good faith in the furtherance of justice.
just one.
WHOO HOO!
Frogmarch, Frogmarch Frogmarch!
You just made my freakin day M.T. Wheeler!
Fast work getting this post up.
I’ve always thought there is a quota of speeling errors and ve haf not met ours so get busy!
Good post. Thanks, Empty.
Turdblossom himself said last year that he was expecting to be subpoenad.
I bet he wasn’t thinking over this particular matter, either.
He has a walk in closet full of skeletons.
Marcy, you are using the flawed assumption that this administration or their minions have rules
they do not
the president can just as easily claim executive privilege as he has in the past, there are no rules, there is no law for this administration’
you are thinking as if they are bound by some kind of box, they have no box, no boundaries, nothing, they are without law
Just checking, I had a database error when I tried to comment a minute ago…
Yeah, I dunno, I’ll stick with the paranoid thought until proven otherwise. I also stick with my thought that since the Bushie pukes challenged them to use their powers, they ought to step right on up and do him up with inherent contempt. And there is no reason to dilly dally either.
Has the OPR done any conclusive work in the last few years? Can they be trusted, or are they highly politicised?
One thing I noticed from the DOJ’s letter re:selective prosecutions is that they left Wecht of the list of OPR investigations (compared to what Conyers asked).
to avoid a showdown I expect rove to at least appear, while there he will with no douby say;
“I refuse to testify, it will breach national security
Rove in jail, Bush in exhile, Cheney at the Hague.
bring it on.
And Addington and Yoo in Gitmo
What’s your take Marcy? Will Rove/Luskin show up under the subpoena or will they blow it off like Meyers and Bolten? I’m not aware of any penalty paid by either of those two. How badly did Conyers hurt himself with the kick Rove’s ass remark with the (Bushco) judge?
That sounds about right.
they ought to step right on up and do him up with inherent contempt. And there is no reason to dilly dally either.
Oh, Bmaz, you sweet talker you. I sure do love the way you think.
OR
Rove in hell, Bush in exhale, Cheney in Vogue.
bring it somewhere.
the HJD started the investigation of USA purge and “RELATED” areas on 3/21/07 so would this not include Rove Sigleman? If so that would trump DOJ april 15 2008 in the real world?
You’re right. Kind of a huge oversight, don’t you think. given the recent FBI interviews of jurors?
One word. One word only:
Handcuffs.
This has not been the real world since January 2001.
you rule!
“Bring it on” lost a lot of its impact for me after Kerry used it.
I think Conyers hurt himself significantly with that. Luskin mentions it in his own letter.
I’m NAL, but it does seem unseemly to say that right before you subpoena someone.
CNN breaking: McCainiac rejects Hagee endorsement.
I don’t think he should be waterboarded. Undies on his head would prolly work.
Anyone have a checklist on the USA politicization questions?
My list would include:
1.Siegelman.
2.Oppo research guy Tim Griffin as USA with subpoena power in Hillary Clinton’s home state of Arkansas.
3. The USA whose closing argument in a $100m tobacco case was neutered by the admin.
4. The woman in (MN? elsewhere) whose case was thrown out and the legislature voted to reimburse her for the false prosecution.
I lose track….
OT…but did anybody catch this? Mary Tillman on Democracy Now this morning:
“AMY GOODMAN: That was Jessica Lynch. Mary Tillman, your response to what she had to say, and what you think are the parallels between what happened to Jessica Lynch and what happened to your son?
MARY TILLMAN: I believe that she made it very clear that, you know, the soldiers are heroes in their own right. And there are heroes out there, and you don’t have to fabricate heroes. I thought that was a very, you know, remarkable statement, and so true. And, you know, she also indicated that she had these horrific injuries, and of course the Iraqis did the best to take care of her, to her mind, and they tried to return her to the US, and they wouldn’t take her. And it turns out, what was uncovered in the hearing is that they wanted to have this dramatic rescue videoed. So at the point they could have saved—you know, gone in to rescue her, the military held off for twenty-four hours to get a video crew in there. And what’s very ironic is that Pat and Kevin were also involved in this rescue. They, of course, believed that it was a legitimate rescue and that they were in great danger. But it turns out that it was more or less staged.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain.
MARY TILLMAN: Well, it was planned that they were going to go in. There was really no harm. The soldiers were under the impression that the Republican Guard was going to be at the airport. I mean, they really did fear for the situation. But as it turned out, the Republican Guard had already taken off. It was not as dangerous a situation as they were led to believe. And of course, in the hearing, they determined that this rescue was held off for twenty-four hours so a video crew could get in and take pictures of the rescue.
AMY GOODMAN: And you’re saying that Kevin and Pat were a part of that rescue?
MARY TILLMAN: They were part of the rescue, in the sense that, as Rangers, they kind of held the perimeter of the Baghdad airport. They were part of that. They didn’t go in and actually take her out, no.
AMY GOODMAN: Did they write back to you, or has Kevin talked to you about what he feels in that situation?
MARY TILLMAN: Well, I don’t speak to what Kevin knows. That’s—I will not divulge that. And he was not supposed to divulge that. They were not supposed talk about that at the time to us. We learned some things later, but I won’t speak to what Kevin told me.
Conyers was speaking metaphorically besides this is covered I believe under the legal dictum of “Oportet aliquem dare pedis ictum ad nates.”
Yes, bmaz:
Inherent Contempt.
Maybe we will be surprised, … this time.
I.am.not.holding.my.breath.in anticipation, however.
This Congress has little apparent interest in accoutability, just as they have evidenced little interest in ‘oversight’…
Prove me wrong, John, prove me wrong …
You’ve stepped up tp the plate, John.
Don’t wimp.
No more strongly worded letters, John.
It is time (past-time) for action.
Remember the CONSTITUTION, John, let it be you guide.
Remember truth … and justice.
Remember, this is NOT about you or even about Rove, this is about what this nation has become … and what it needs to do in order to be a nation worthy of respect in the eyes of the world and in the hearts and concscience of its citizens.
Presumably, John, you wanted the job which you have accepted, rise to the awful needs of the moment or you run the risk of damning us all something like Directive 51.
You do remember Directive 51, don’t you John?
Jeebus, Busted, you’re thinking awfully small here!
At least two walk-in closets and all of the spare bedroom.
it v.’em…
Shrub’s use of “bring ‘em on” ruined its non-ironic use forever.
I would too if I were him, doesn’t mean it has any moment though. Contempt is contempt, if he meets the criteria, the rest is window dressing. Granted, he should have been a bit more restrained; but fuck Rove and Luskin, I believe it was them that said how happy they would be to show up originally. This is sideshow junk. Congress is a political body; this is political. Yada, yada yada - so what?
scary he knew nothing about it till a progressive asked him
has he ever revisited the issue in public?
I don’t see the problem with the OPR. OPR is Executive Branch. Conyers is Legislative Branch. The one has nothing really to say about what the other is doing. In the event, OPR hopped on this bandwagon fairly late so it’s not like Conyers is horning in on an inestigation OPR initiated.
headline chez atrios:
Fitzmas Comes Late
link?
LOL!
Okay, I admit it, I don’t recognize all of the words, but enough to get the gist. (Latin class was 40 years ago, after all).
Hi, y’all
EW, can’t believe you were on this so fast.
Happy happy joy joy though.
Rove has a lot of loose ends flying around, if Conyers can get a hold of just one and start yanking…….
But it was the committee that subpeona’d Rove, not Conyers as an individual.
So the entire group had to take that vote; that would make Conyers’ particular remark irrelevant, wouldn’t it?
Conyers remark just gives Luskin one more chance to bill Rove for writing up yet another document; doesn’t seem like it’ll change the long term outcome. The entire committee made no such comment, and they’re the entity behind that subpoena.
If Conyers has a brain, he’ll jail Rove when he quickly refuses to comply with this subpoena. It doesn’t matter to Rove that he has been spouting off in numerous magazines and on Fox, and to Dan Abrams as far as he’s concerned. Executive Privilege is always selective for the Unitary Executive.
It’s a waste of time, paper and money to try to get the D.C. trail courts and the D.C. Circuits to enforce these subpoenas. Too many gutless judges that are puppets of this administration.
I would make a point of having Rove’s ass picked up if I were Conyers and I’d do it in a hurry. One hitch for Conyers is he has to get the Senate to vote on a contempt citation.
un bon coup de pied au cul!
isn’t spring frog-marching season?
For crying out loud!
McCain keeps getting caught with the obvious crap!
yes, for spring creepers
Punaise, I didn’t know you were a multilingual punster!
I must say, I was thrilled and relieved to hear the announcement—did anyone else see Rep. Linda Sanchez last night (Dan Abrams’s show? not sure) talking about what the committee might do.
She seemed to be waffling, sounding wimpy, which surprised me.
But maybe she really knew the subpoena was coming, and just trying not to let the cat out of the bag early.
http://www.democracynow.org/20....._slain_nfl
CNN reporting on reports confirmed by politico.com that Hillary and her team are pushing for her to be the veep choice. Cafferty asking can she muscle her way on?
New GritTV up over at FDL front page
nolo contendere…
If I were Obama I would be saying what a great Senator is and that I looked forward to her continued leadership there.
thanks!
Afternoon Empty and Firedogs -
jes drivin’ by in btw shifts -
nomolos - Addington belongs in Syria, Thailand, or Egypt
too effin’ bad Big Dog - ya can’t campaign on ‘Change’ for 15 months straight and then include a Clinton on the ticket - nagunna, nagunna . . .
The kabuki theater continues.
You know that legally, (at least in Texas) it’s equivalent to
.
ya can’t campaign on ‘Change’ for 15 months straight and then include a Clinton on the ticket - nagunna, nagunna . . .
Yeah, that idea bothers me, too. I might not mind, but the reason I didn’t support her (and I am, btw, a 58-yr old white woman w/ a professional degree) is that I think she is UN-electable because of all the well-known baggage, the well-known hatred of her from all kinds of people.
I can’t believe what I’m hearing from some women that they will never vote for Obama because, essentially, Hillary deserved it. My only consolation is the hope that, with time, they’ll calm down and realize that McCain is the enemy of everything they support HFC for.
MSM will continue to push for clinton2 to be veep in the hopes that obama1 will have his term “shortened” and then the corporatocracy can continue unabated.
Obama has already proven that he’s a smart cookie. Why would he consider Hillary for the #2 spot? Don’t think so.
My snark detector is buzzing like crazy, but I remain neutral. Translation, please?
Bob in HI
He’s winning. Why would he take on the “looser”? no, i think not as well bonjonno!
What does that mean…an opportunity to dare to stick one’s foot in one’s mouth?
Maybe Hugh has left, Bob -
don’t have a Latin dictionary handy, but it’s basically a Latinization of “kick his ass” - something about applying foot to the rear end….
I think Bill’s the “looser” one
I don’t get the Fitzmas connection. Please explain.
Bob in HI
What does that mean…an opportunity to dare to stick one’s foot in one’s mouth?
Nah, oportet comes from a root meaning to carry, maybe move - nates refers to those rear parts of a person of which Conyers was speaking…
(approximation by your once upon-a-time language major, apologies for not knowing the literal translation)
Oh, hey I know that one. (waves hand in air)
All through the Libby trial, Fitzmas was understood as meaning the culmination expected/hoped for by us DFH’s — the indictment of Karl Rove.
Hillary as Veep ? … more likely with McCain than with Obama…
Last time I read about inherent contempt, either body of congress can do it without approval of the other.
Wexler seems pretty ginned up, let’s hope he is allowed to carry through with it …
Yes, I thought so, but don’t see how we get from here to there, unless one views inherent contempt as an indictment.
Bob in HI
If we all visualize this, maybe we can make it happen!!!!
Though it would be pretty funny if Conyers had said, “All in favor of subpoenaing Turdblossom, say, ‘kick his ass’”
Applying my meditation skills now …
Question: If Conyers is still the chairman of this committee in 2009 and some like, say, John Edwards, is the Attorney General, and willing to enforce subpoenas, is there any statute of limitations of other legal loophole through which Rove might slither as a result of this being delayed until after the election?
i agree with that too!!!!!
Whitehouse.
Sheldon Whitehouse for AG.
pax
What else would you expect from the Bush administration? As Ron Suskind reported, they think that they ‘create reality’?
Mary Tillman’s story underscores how important it is that Conyers and the HJC get Rove under oath and have him encounter ‘authentic reality’ for a change.
I’m not sure what your are saying.
This text-media precludes the subtleties of non verbal.
Do you think she is more like McCain than Barama?
Or are you saying that she doesn’t have a snowball’s chance with Obama?
Jest wanted clarification.
nah, we need whitehouse in the senate. i nominate scott horton for AG. seriously. i think he would be the best - the torturers (and their lawyers) would definitely be getting charged.
WELL, that too would be awesome selise, and I won’t argue with ya. I’m rooting for Whitehouse, but at least I hope they both get SOME position in the Obama administration. Both of them are stupendous patriots!
Jane’s upstairs, at what Marcy calls The Mother Ship.
Super Delegates that know her say she doesn’t want any part of VP under Obama or anyone. And the feeling is mutual 1000 times over. You will not see Hillary Clinton in the White House on this planet. Take it to the bank.
Bill wants her to be VP because he wants his hands on the Oval–there is not enough limelight for him, and he misses the power. Hillary has already eschewed the graceful exit. She has chosen to push to the convention and it won’t work.
The Super D’s are going to pull the plug soon after June. If I’m wrong, they really begin to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
It’s high time the Democrats concentrate on getting swing voters and swing states and greatly increasing voter turnout so they get the best general math possible. In some Southern States there are more than enough black voters not registerd to counter the previous two voting patterns in the general. West Virginia has only 5 electoral votes, possibly appropriate since so many of them are based on ignorance and racial bias.
Of course, there’s always the chance that Peter Pan is the true story of a boy who didn’t want to grow up, and who had a fairy friend called Tinkerbell, too! Mukasey is not going to do anything to upset the Bush applecart, and everybody knows it. Quite aside from the fact that Mukasey has already stated which side of the fence he is on, a really large part of the problem that I see has to do with the balance of power within our own government. Congress must reassert its own powers or those powers will die under the new precedents that are being set. The WH and Rove know exactly what they’re doing when they resist Congressional attempts to extract testimony. The WH is showing their strength (and their ass) while the Congress has been confirming their weaknesses. They must take the reins back and do just what Conyers said any self-respecting Congressional committee would do.
Mukasey has been very convincing that he is never going to appoint a special counsel where it is badly needed, as Bmaz pointed out last night in the case of Durham running the probe over the CIA tapes.
It’s very facade and cherade. That investigation and several others need a special counsel, and that’s not happening on Mukasey’s watch. The good news is unless the Democrats are stupid and let Hillary hijack this election into the convention, Mukasey hits the road in a few months and a lot of house cleaning that’s needed happens at Justice.
I have yet to see an OPR investigation in the last 15 years that accomplished anything consequential or had teeth.
Please God, no. I’ve said it before and I’ll keep repeating myself… We are in the mess we are in because of the utter failure of Congress to do their damn job. We need Whitehouse right where he is in the Senate. And we need a lot more like him there as well.
Ah, I see selise beat me to it ; ) And she was more courteous to boot ; ) I’ve been have a long argument on this very subject all week (I’ll go quietly to my corner now and keep my harumphing to myself ; )
In Wecht’s case, the government has announced it plans to retry him. That announcement came shortly after the ink dried on the mistrial - the jury hung.
Then the US Attorney sent the FBI out to interview the jurors and find out why they wouldn’t convict.
I suspect there’s a lot more going on in Wecht than just “it’s an active case” - I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an inquiry into the US Attorney misusing the FBI.
why would Conyers need the Senate to go along - the contempt would be of the House and the HJC. The Senate has nothing to do with it.
That would be an OPR investigation and yet they didn’t mention it. I can’t believe they are going to try to hang tough on that one.
Sorry I got my wires crossed. Conyers is in fact in the House isn’t he? I meant Conyers needs to get approval from the House on the floor of the House to exercise his contempt options. But my point is that currently as to contempt citations Conyers has gotten nowhere. He’s wasting his time with the trial court and the D.C. Circuit.
Inherent Contempt is the only way to go and it needs to be done fast. Conyers now needs Pellosi to bring it to a vote. That’s a bit like asking the Titanic to compete in a boat race.
I think y’all are right; we need the best of the Senators to stay in the Senate. Robert Reich, I believe, thinks Clinton is angling for the first open Supreme Court seat. If that’s what she wants, I think she should have that because I think she would make a good Justice. So we can’t spare any others, unfortunately! But John Edwards doesn’t have a job and we know he can be a great asset! I wouldn’t mind seeing him in that very important role.
And as far as that goes, I think PetePierce is right; the current structure of the Justice Dept. is utterly useless and will do very little for the remainder of their time in office to improve conditions. So be it; when there gone we can all sing a chorus of “The King is dead; long live the King” and get on with governance of a democratic republic as it’s supposed to be and concentrate on the next big thing, which I think will be climate change, before we end up with far greater problems on our plate than what we already have.
Noooo. Inherent contempt is the committee sitting down and deciding their subpoena has been dissed such that it would be improper to sit there and take it. Then they go to the full body (House or Senate, as appropriate) and put a resolution (or whatever you call it) up for a vote the gist of which is to (a) hold the witness in contempt and (b) authorize the House to enforce its contempt by its own inherent authority.
There would have to be a specification of which actions/inactions were contemptuous, but the authorization would include requiring the Sergeant-at-Arms to go out and arrest the contemnor and bring him to the Congress for further proceedings. Precedent exists which indicates that every law enforcement agency must comply and cooperate with the Sergeant at arms in bringing the contemnor in. And for those which might be balky, they need to remember that (a) Congress can cut off their money (be it directly for the feds or indirectly - grants and such - for the locals) and (b) worse comes to worst, they can f*ck with their tax rates such that the balky guys wind up with an income tax rate of 110% for life, or take away their social security or any number of other things.
Once they get the contemnor in, he’ll likely be tried in some fashion, but until he’s either tried, testifies, or the Congress ends, he can sit in a broom-closet in the basement of the Capitol (or in the DC jail out at Lorton, with all the street criminals). If you ask me, keeping him in the basement of the Capitol is the better idea, since Bush will bust him out of Lorton.
If there’s an investigation into misuse of the FBI (atop the politicized prosecution), it could also be (a) the FBI or (b) a grand jury, too.
Subpoena>>>>>Contempt in HJC>>>>Pelossi off her $2000 suited ass to get it to the floor>Contempt>Rove’s ass thrown in jail when the House exercises the Inherent Contempt Option.
But they haven’t done their jobs yet; I don’t expect them to now.
I’ll lay you odds this will drag out for months. They could have this wrapped up in a few days if they had a brain.
I have thought long and hard on this, and i am absolutely convinced that, without any question, the best choice for AG is Janet Napolitano. Leave the Senators and Reps where they are; quite frankly, Janet is better suited and experienced for the job anyway.
No, we need him to stay in the Senate. Surely there are non-senators who would make a good AG.
Bob in HI
She is another good choice. She’s been Attorney General here in AZ prior to being Gov. Another good choice from AZ is Terry Goddard, the current Attorney General and the former very successful Mayor of Phoenix when Phx was one of the best run cities in the country!