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	<title>Comments on: Foggo&#8217;s New Charges</title>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/22/foggo-made-bill-clinton-seem-like-a-choirboy/comment-page-1/#comment-70461</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The new indictment against Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, a former No. 3 official at the spy agency and &lt;strong&gt;a onetime senior CIA ethics officer&lt;/strong&gt;, alleges that he pressured CIA managers into hiring the woman after she was turned down for a position in the CIA’s general counsel office. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FOTFLMAO… I don’t remember the last time that I had to wipe away tears of laughter after reading an EW post and comments… Laughing so hard my abdomen is sore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;————&lt;br /&gt;
OT: bmaz, Dickie Scruggs is highlighted in most recent New Yorker; I only paid attention b/c of EW’s posts and your comments about him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The new indictment against Kyle “Dusty” Foggo, a former No. 3 official at the spy agency and <strong>a onetime senior CIA ethics officer</strong>, alleges that he pressured CIA managers into hiring the woman after she was turned down for a position in the CIA’s general counsel office. </p>
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<p>FOTFLMAO… I don’t remember the last time that I had to wipe away tears of laughter after reading an EW post and comments… Laughing so hard my abdomen is sore.</p>
<p>————<br />
OT: bmaz, Dickie Scruggs is highlighted in most recent New Yorker; I only paid attention b/c of EW’s posts and your comments about him.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkusQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkusQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, some of the spamming programs seem to be using Q or google or something to find / construct names that will hit the “that name sounds familiar but I can’t quite place it” spot.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tip-of-the-tongue names like Marcy Wheeler, Jon Johansson, Monica Goodling etc. apparently make people open the mail more than clearly famous names (Al Gore, Paris Hilton, etc.) or the fully random names (Sandy J. Gomez, Bartholomew Jones, etc.)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although according to our server logs, someone seems to think that names like “Hillryy Klinton” and “Jon McClane” were worth trying to, so who knows?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– MarkusQ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, some of the spamming programs seem to be using Q or google or something to find / construct names that will hit the “that name sounds familiar but I can’t quite place it” spot.  </p>
<p>Tip-of-the-tongue names like Marcy Wheeler, Jon Johansson, Monica Goodling etc. apparently make people open the mail more than clearly famous names (Al Gore, Paris Hilton, etc.) or the fully random names (Sandy J. Gomez, Bartholomew Jones, etc.)  </p>
<p>Although according to our server logs, someone seems to think that names like “Hillryy Klinton” and “Jon McClane” were worth trying to, so who knows?</p>
<p>– MarkusQ</p>
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		<title>By: al75</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/22/foggo-made-bill-clinton-seem-like-a-choirboy/comment-page-1/#comment-70392</link>
		<dc:creator>al75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I still feel that the central issue has stayed out of discussion:  Foggo and his fellow hacks were brought in by &lt;strong&gt;Porter Goss&lt;/strong&gt;, the right-wing Congressman installed to “reform” the CIA in (I think) 2005.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This “reform” was undertaken to bring the CIA to heel, and forge it into a political instrument of the “permanant republican majority”, just like the program underway at the Justice Dept as Alberto Gonzalez came in &lt;em&gt;at almost exactly the same time&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Porter Goss’ name and role is almost never mentioned.  He leaks to the press,  and perhaps for that reason has a special status.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But he was the boss.  He hand-picked Foggo.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still feel that the central issue has stayed out of discussion:  Foggo and his fellow hacks were brought in by <strong>Porter Goss</strong>, the right-wing Congressman installed to “reform” the CIA in (I think) 2005.</p>
<p>This “reform” was undertaken to bring the CIA to heel, and forge it into a political instrument of the “permanant republican majority”, just like the program underway at the Justice Dept as Alberto Gonzalez came in <em>at almost exactly the same time</em>.</p>
<p>Porter Goss’ name and role is almost never mentioned.  He leaks to the press,  and perhaps for that reason has a special status.</p>
<p>But he was the boss.  He hand-picked Foggo.</p>
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		<title>By: DeadLast</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeadLast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the CIA and NSA do extensive background checks? There are used to make sure that the agents don’t have something in their closet that one day could be used by a foreign enemy to blackmail them. How did Foggo pass the agency’s puritan test?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the CIA and NSA do extensive background checks? There are used to make sure that the agents don’t have something in their closet that one day could be used by a foreign enemy to blackmail them. How did Foggo pass the agency’s puritan test?</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aack … “Bill Clinton” and “Choirboy” in the same sentence … I think I just lost 11 years&lt;br /&gt;
of meditative bliss (and my lunch ) &lt;strong&gt;*g*&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aack … “Bill Clinton” and “Choirboy” in the same sentence … I think I just lost 11 years<br />
of meditative bliss (and my lunch ) <strong>*g*</strong></p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was going to deadpan that it looks like there is some nine-finger pointing going on here; but I can’t compete with Chuck’s news.  I do vote that said email be forwarded to the impotent McCain (from Marcy of course) …..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to deadpan that it looks like there is some nine-finger pointing going on here; but I can’t compete with Chuck’s news.  I do vote that said email be forwarded to the impotent McCain (from Marcy of course) …..</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Foland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Foland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rumors of these alleged trysts were rampant at Langley and Dusty’s colleagues warned him to give up this high profile habit. But Dusty was a guy who “made Bill Clinton seem like a choirboy,” according to a source familiar with this taste in hookers and strip joints. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having sat in no small number of (often coma-inducing) security procedure briefings, I can say that with 100% probability, somebody along the line recognized this and reported it as a security issue.  (It would have made Foggo vulnerable to blackmail.)  Someone (probably in Waxman’s sphere?) should be tugging on the thread to see what happened as a result of that report.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Rumors of these alleged trysts were rampant at Langley and Dusty’s colleagues warned him to give up this high profile habit. But Dusty was a guy who “made Bill Clinton seem like a choirboy,” according to a source familiar with this taste in hookers and strip joints. </p>
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<p>Having sat in no small number of (often coma-inducing) security procedure briefings, I can say that with 100% probability, somebody along the line recognized this and reported it as a security issue.  (It would have made Foggo vulnerable to blackmail.)  Someone (probably in Waxman’s sphere?) should be tugging on the thread to see what happened as a result of that report.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ot&lt;br /&gt;
Lieberman lying on C-Span right now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs.....8;Code=CS3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ot<br />
Lieberman lying on C-Span right now.<br />
<a href="http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs&#8230;..8;Code=CS3</a></p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The spammers have a program that randomly picks first and last names (independently) to put in the “From” of emails. The aim is exactly what happened with Minnesotachuck (somewhere a spammer is thinking, “Ha, ha, made you look”)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spammers have a program that randomly picks first and last names (independently) to put in the “From” of emails. The aim is exactly what happened with Minnesotachuck (somewhere a spammer is thinking, “Ha, ha, made you look”)</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 13:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Egads. Can you forward it to me, so I can figure out what’s happening?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m at emptywheel at gmail dot com.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egads. Can you forward it to me, so I can figure out what’s happening?</p>
<p>I’m at emptywheel at gmail dot com.</p>
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