I don't know about the track record of Christopher Ketcham, the author of this Radar piece explaining the "big thing" that that made Jim Comey object to the warrantless wiretapping program so aggressively in March 2004. But it sounds like a plausible explanation.
Ketcham describes a database of Americans who, in case the government ever implements its Continuity of Government program in a time of national emergency, can be rounded up and jailed.
... a number of former government employees and intelligence sources with independent knowledge of domestic surveillance operations claim the program that caused the flap between Comey and the White House was related to a database of Americans who might be considered potential threats in the event of a national emergency. Sources familiar with the program say that the government's data gathering has been overzealous and probably conducted in violation of federal law and the protection from unreasonable search and seizure guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.
According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.
[snip]
Another well-informed source—a former military operative regularly briefed by members of the intelligence community—says this particular program has roots going back at least to the 1980s and was set up with help from the Defense Intelligence Agency. He has been told that the program utilizes software that makes predictive judgments of targets' behavior and tracks their circle of associations with "social network analysis" and artificial intelligence modeling tools. [my emphasis]
Ketcham goes on to explain that the Bush Administration was cross-referencing Main Core with its warrantless wiretap program. I'm not entirely clear whether Ketcham is saying BushCo used Main Core to come up with potential targets of warrantless wiretapping, or whether they used the warrantless wiretapping intercepts to add to Main Core--I think, but am not positive--it's the latter.
A veteran CIA intelligence analyst who maintains active high-level clearances and serves as an advisor to the Department of Defense in the field of emerging technology tells Radar that during the 2004 hospital room drama, James Comey expressed concern over how this secret database was being used "to accumulate otherwise private data on non-targeted U.S. citizens for use at a future time." Though not specifically familiar with the name Main Core, he adds, "What was being requested of Comey for legal approval was exactly what a Main Core story would be." A source regularly briefed by people inside the intelligence community adds: "Comey had discovered that President Bush had authorized NSA to use a highly classified and compartmentalized Continuity of Government database on Americans in computerized searches of its domestic intercepts. [Comey] had concluded that the use of that 'Main Core' database compromised the legality of the overall NSA domestic surveillance project."
I agree with Digby: read the whole thing.
Now, like I said, I don't know how credible this story is, but two things seem to support its credibility.
First, the Continuity of Government thing is a big neocon wet dream. As Ketcham notes, Ollie North was an early operative developing the plan under Reagan. During their private sector years, Cheney and Rummy were both picked to run the government if the COG plan ever went into effect. So this would be, in a sense, Cheney's wet dream squared. He'd get to blow FISA away, as he and Addington apparently drool over doing. And he'd get to do so using his masters of the universe fantasy to boot. So it seems utterly plausible to me that Cheney would dream up merging all his wet dreams into one domestic spying program in the days after 9/11.
The other reason this seems so plausible is that, Ketcham quotes Philip Giraldi as speculating, it basically uses the Department of Homeland Security to shield this activity.
If Main Core does exist, says Philip Giraldi, a former CIA counterterrorism officer and an outspoken critic of the agency, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is its likely home. "If a master list is being compiled, it would have to be in a place where there are no legal issues"—the CIA and FBI would be restricted by oversight and accountability laws—"so I suspect it is at DHS, which as far as I know operates with no such restraints." Giraldi notes that DHS already maintains a central list of suspected terrorists and has been freely adding people who pose no reasonable threat to domestic security. "It's clear that DHS has the mandate for controlling and owning master lists. The process is not transparent, and the criteria for getting on the list are not clear."
This makes sense too. While anything run through a formal intelligence department would need to be--at least according to the laws Bush and Cheney like to ignore--reviewed by the Intelligence Committees. With DHS, those laws are more vague. Furthermore, this would put Michael Chertoff--who we know was brought into some of Yoo's crappy OLC opinions (albeit those that deal with torture), in charge of the program. In fact, Chertoff is basically implementing a different domestic spying program--that National Applications Office, which will use satellites within the US--over the objections of the House Homeland Security Committee (the Senate Homeland Security Committee--led by Joe Lieberman--seems to have no problems with Chertoff spying on us with satellites).
This explanation, in other words, fits neatly with a lot of things we know about the Bush Administration.
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Incidentally, this story says that Main Core used the stuff gathered by CIFA. Since Jesus’ General caught CIFA checking out his site, we can probably assume they were going after a lot of progressive bloggers.
Also, this is the kind of story that Shorrock’s Spies for Hire is necessary background for–he talks about the Continuity of GOvernment as one source for a lot of the outsourcing of intelligence:
He also talks a lot about the NAO–the satellite spying program that Chertoff is pushing through.
It’s certainly compelling, but I think we need further confirmation and more reporting.
Whenever I hear of an alleged secret program with a spy-movie name, like Main Core, rather than goverment bureaucratese, I tend to be a little suspicious. Of course, Republicans love their cloak and dagger games, so it’s not out of the question.
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8 million Americans served for the “Main Core” what the hell.
Too many mentions of Cheney having a “wet dream” had me almost tossing my dinner.
When James Comey testified before the Senate Judiciary this man gave me hope. I know there are plenty of Republicans who have a great deal of integrity. I know many Republicans have been running as far away from the Bush hooligans as they can. I think Comey is one of them
Comey’s testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmm1W-H8L-4
Marcy…I spotlighted this with twenty five outlets. This needs to be talked about in a big way.
Agree. I’d like to see more reporting on this.
It is increasingly clear that in such a country freedom of expression is a sadistic trap.
If this is true, then it shows how lack of consequence for illegal action in D.C. leads to expanded illegal activity, abate years later. The roots of this is Poindexter and North, et al getting off the hook and becoming wingnut hero’s. Even if Cheney/Bush don’t do a “continuity of government” hat trick before 1.20.09, the criminal minds will resurface with another GOP pres..
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National Security Adviser was Woodward’s source, attorneys say
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/....._1116.html
Just sayin …
Click for quotes and links to Steven Aftergood and Sen. Russ Feingold
http://georgewashington2.blogs.....g-has.html
Wouldn’t it be ironic if gun-toting NRA members were solidly on this potential enemies of the state list along with all other Americans with gun permits?
Afterall, who would Bush/Cheney be more afraid of during Continuity of Government? a progessive blogger with a computer? or an angry villager with a gun?
CoG: “Yes, we are going to take away your guns. The Constitutional Order is O.V.E.R.”
(Chances are bloggers could be stopped in their tracks with a takedown of the internet backbone)
BTW, How much are satellite phones these days? Do they connect yet to the internet like blackberries do?
Kathleen–
Check your date.
Let’s not forget all the things Comey & Ashcroft allowed before coming out against this one …
thanks knew I had seen that before
If we are all bunkies at the same detention facility, we won’t have to use the toobz to chat.
Somehow, I don’t think I’m going to sleep well tonight.
Didn’t we fight an entire Cold War to preserve against government behavior of this sort?
Sorry. Didn’t you hear? We fought an entire Cold War to make sure the rich accumulate greater and greater fortunes.
8-fucking-million people! Identified and tracked to be able to have them picked up on a moment’s notice. That’s a country’s worth of people for god’s sake. What a wonderful thing American freedom is -
Some of this dates to JFK - at least the CoG planning began in those days and had FEMA as a lead agency assuring CoG.
Can we make it to January 20th? DeFazio and Feingold and friends in Congress need to get the word out on this. Now. I always wonder what Nancy Pelosi meant last summer when she communicated to bloggers that “You don’t know the half of it.”
Direct questioning (what’s wrong with questioning if you have nothing to hide???) and possibly even detention (indefinite material witness???) seem quaint compared with the idea that the COG may believe you have knowledge, that, if extracted using “enhanced interrogation techniques”, would save the lives of thousands of patriotic Americans (a.k.a. registered Republicans)
Emptywheel, thanks for getting out the word on “Main Core”.
I’m not familiar with this site, but of course we need a continuity of government in case of a catastrophe. I’m sure Kennedy would have been thinking of a nuclear (atomic in those days?) bomb on DC. But 8 million people? They keep building these huge detention centers for some reason…
Certainly 8 million people can’t be detained in any sort of reasonable time period. We don’t have the police numbers to round up even half that many!
Welp, I guess we can assume Mr. Christopher Ketchum’s contacts for the past 10 years or so are getting a pretty thorough going-over right about now. Watch for news of unfortunate things happening to former highly-placed Federal officials…
Snark aside, this actually makes me feel physically ill like nothing before has. Continuity of Government without the Constitution. And all set to go on a hair trigger.
Fuck.
in april of 2002 the local police (in liberal MA) were still taking photos (head shots for id purposes) of people who participated in any kind of a peace vigil. one of the police officers told a friend of mine that it was at the request of the fbi (don’t know if that’s true). and the chief of the worcester police (third largest city in new england) told the city council it was necessary to know who we were and who we associated with because we were a potential threat to society.
i can see getting to 8 million pretty quick.
… if this report is accurate.
If I am not in the top 8 million people perceived as a threat by these guys, I am gonna be pissed.
Here is Halliburton’s announcement of a $385 million contract for detention facilities.
Newsflash, folks! Those of us who were active in the 1960s heard reports that there were emergency detention camps prepared for “radicals” if the national government ever declared a national emergency. I, for one, was hyper-concerned to carry my passport with me whenever I traveled out of state, at least until Carter was elected in 1976, so that I would have traveling papers if I had to head for Canada suddenly.
This is all a long time ago, but I vaguely remember that there were some provisions in a statute referred to as the McCarren Act for emergency detention of “communists” that may have been enacted by the Republican Congressional majority under Truman. In the 1960s, those of us who considered ourselves any flavor of New Left knew that we could be considered “communists” for such purposes.
The FBI had files, the Chicago Police “Red Squad” had files, other metro police departments coordinated with the FBI for such counterintelligence operations. There were also revelations in the late 1960s by some former military reservists who had collected data on progressives from “public source” reports (news clipping services, etc.) during weekend warrior stints for military intelligence units.
Maybe some of the national collection was shelved in the wake of the Harris Committee report on intelligence collection abuses in the mid-1970s and then resurrected in the Reagan administration. Anyone out there have any more bits of information?
It’s going to be crowded.
I am reminded of when Medea Benjaman and Col Ann Wright were stopped at the Canadian border
Canada Bars Entry to US Peacemakers: Let’s Pressure Canadian Government to Change its Policies
October 4, 2007: Ann Wright, retired U.S. army colonel and former diplomat who quit in opposition to the Iraq war, and Medea Benjamin, co-founder of CODEPINK and founding director of Global Exchange, tested Canada’s policy towards US peace activists on Thursday. They were on their way to Toronto at the invitation of the Toronto Stop the War Coalition but were denied entry into Canada due to previous arrests for demonstrating against the Iraq War outside the White House and in the Capitol. Their names have been added to FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database that apparently dictates Canadian border policy. The border agents at the Rainbow Bridge at Niagara Falls who barred Medea and Ann said the mere fact that they were listed on the NCIC was sufficient to bar them from entry.
They’s shut down MSNBC right after the innertubes.
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“The making of a neo-KGB state,” The Economist, August 25, 2007.
Nuf said.
Peter Dale Scott’s Road To 911 explores the COG issues in as much depth
as available documentation allows… you may not believe it, but if you
read it you might decide that COG plays a large role in the positions
adopted by OLC and other legal organs of Bushco. REX84 is the Ollie North
starter set for Cheney’s World.
The more obsessed you are with your enemy the more you become him.
Look on the bright side. At least we’ll all get to meet each other.
Yeah, we need to come up with a secret handshake.
My former spouse (a fine Jewish girl from Skokie) too part in a pro-Palestinian rights demo at Southern Illinois University when she was an undergrad there in the early 80’s.
She went off to the Middle Eastern studies grad program at UCLA, where she aquired a Masters and fluency in Arabic.
When she later had a job interview with the State Department, they hauled out pictures of her at the hinky little demo held years before at SIU.
Our “rulers” fear us.
EW:
Rex 84
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ
Funny
That was my thought. At least all the cool people will be there.
Reading this literally gave me chills. Even with what we already know, it just really hits home when you read in print. The scope is quite mindblowing.
Now think about the article from a couple months back where business owners are being trained to “protect the infrastructure” and were told “when martial law is declared”, rather than if, and that they were allowed to use deadly force.
It’s also really extra super helpful that habeus was suspended with the help of Democrats.
Interesting times, indeed.
maybe they have us labeled with a color coded threat level? /snark
I got news for you. If you have ever been arrested, ever fingerprinted, been convicted of anything above a petty offense (and those are probably now reported too) i.e. any misdemeanor or felony, ever had any warrant issued against you (even if it was erroneous or quashed), been the victim of certain classes of crimes, had a titled vehicle stolen, or been the subject of a completed police field activity card (less formal than a full departmental report), pretty much any law enforcement contact where full identifying information is obtained; you are in NCIC. It has everything and everyone that i just described.
Okay…big giant tin foil hat on here. My husband believes that there is a plan to create marshall law in a crises. He believes that at this time, many americans will be rounded up and housed in these large trains that have shackles. He has shown me pictures on some crazy website and they appear to exist. I assumed they were for taking illegal aliens back to mexico or to be used to ship folks across country. I don’t know, but there are construction folks who have helped to build them and say they exist.
I have been telling him to take his antipsychotic. However, hearing about this list, hearing military folks here in nebraska say that they assume there will be a hit against Iran soon, (who knows the accuracy of such a discussion) makes me wonder. I mean, seriously wonder.
It could all be extensions of fear about the things that we know for a fact exist…which are scary enough. But…the weird thing is that every time I have defended reasonableness in regard to this administration I have been badly mistaken and then some.
I am not telling my husband that I even posted this.
Well, yes, bmaz, except: there was a time (when Pierre Trudeau was PM — and I promise you, I am not a Liberal and Trudeau often drove me bananas) when, in spite of NCIC, we would have let people like Benjamin and Wright in. Leen is right to raise her voice on this issue — many of us did as well.
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selise @ 42
They do
Evening maincorians, it will be interesting to see if more develops on this. If ever there was an impeachable offense, it would be a plan to incarcerate 8 million US citizens. Needless to say outside of mayber Henry Waxman the Democrats will want to know even less about this than the Republicans.
Not sure where that came from. But your list sure covers a lot of people. And of course I have as well as many others who have been arrested for protesting against unnecessary U.S. aggression towards another country or a war.
Should we be contacting our Reps about “main core”
I remember going to rallies in 1970 in Fayetteville, NC, (Fort Bragg) and seeing a lot of people with cameras. It’s enough to make one want to check out one’s FBI and other files.
The funny thing is that while I have a very low tolerance for tin foil hat speculation, this one seems quite likely. I think the long history of this kind of thing and the paranoid Cheney are a desperately likely pairing.
Procuratio Frutex delenda est.
In keeping with EW’s post, I’m sure ya’ll want to get this calendar for your very ownself:
I think I agree with you earlier. If I’m not on the list I’m gonna be pissed.
8 million arrested before or if/when they pre-emptively attack Iran?
“Of course, federal law is somewhat vague as to what might constitute a “national emergency.” Executive orders issued over the last three decades define it as a “natural disaster, military attack, [or] technological or other emergency,” while Department of Defense documents include eventualities like “riots, acts of violence, insurrections, unlawful obstructions or assemblages, [and] disorder prejudicial to public law and order.” According to one news report, even “national opposition to U.S. military invasion abroad” could be a trigger.”
Radars piece
http://www.informationclearing.....e19871.htm
Scott Ritter has a recent interview over at Anti-war.com about Iran. He believes that the probability of an attack on Iran is up to 90%. The talking heads (Matthews, Couric, Stephanapoulous, Russert, David Gregory) (not challenging any of the unsubstantiated claims about Ian just repeating them) are sure bringing up Iran a great deal while they say little about what is taking place in Iraq
lol, perfect.
i’m counting on their incompetence.
i wonder how many members of congress are on the list. maybe that would light a fire under them?
Does mugging count? Because otherwise I’m not in there.
And I was mugged in Berkeley, where the cops are incompetent goons. So I’m not sure they could work a database.
Remind me to tell you the story some time about trying to explain that my stolen bag included a copy of Simone de Beauvoir’s La Deuxieme Sexe (in French) and Salman Rushdie’s Midnight’s Children.
I’m not sure the government has facilities for even two million arrestees, never mind eight million. Even if they use all the military bases … remember, they sold off a lot of that real estate as part of the base closings.
FWIW, the city of LA - just the city, not the metropolitan area - is 3 million people.
I’d bet that NCIC can get to security clearance information if they think they need it. More fingerprints, birthdates, schools, families.
Super Happy Fun Countdown: Full moon in 5 minutes.
Who but Cheney and the necons would mutate a Continuity of Government plan — an otherwise prudent way to manage a complex government in the midst of a national or global disaster (bombs, tsunami, comet strikes, bio-chemical disasters — into a way to get even with his Nixonian list of enemies.
What Strangelovian or Freudian demons drive him to put punishing those who might be his critics ahead - no, as the primary means - of salvaging government and society after a holocaust?
Presumably, it’s that society that he hates. He doesn’t want to salvage or resuscitate society, hence it’s laws and rules are irrelevant. He wants to destroy a large part of it and remake the remainder in his image. That’s the erotic dream of a fallen angel, who knows he’ll never again sit at the right hand of God, and wants to damn civil society in return.
I see it more like The Matrix: not hate nor pity so much as coldly detached disregard for an inferior species. The people are to be farmed, fed as little as possible, and profit from their labor raked upwards into ever larger piles.
Explains the “So?” part, donnit?
Well, as you probably know by now, I am a fairly big Rolling Stones fan; and Mick sure liked the Trudeaus, er, at least one of them anyway…. I do believe he and Keith even wrote a little song about her.
Leen @47 - Just did it from memory and experience; probably left out some included classes of individuals
How ’bout if you’ve had a rental car stolen? And the cops found it two weeks later? Across the parking lot from where it was stolen? (Aloha oe, how I do love Hawaii.) Does that count?
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John Dean’s latest on Obama
Is Senator Barack Obama Truly Too Elite To Be Elected President? Further Thoughts on Obama’s Intelligence and Education as Possible Barriers to His Victory
By JOHN W. DEAN
Do Americans want a President who is not smarter than they are? A President who has to play down their intelligence?
Dean on Obama’s intellect
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20080516.html
If there is such a program, passing it on to a President from the other major party could be problematic, couldn’t it?
I don’t think that counts; however, if I recall correctly if you are the victim of a repetitive individual, like a stalker for instance, your name is likely in NCIC. Not positive on that, but I think that’s right.
How about if your identity was been stolen and you filed a police report?
This sounds as if the NCIC is much like the Census only more complete.
Dick probably thinks incarcerating eight million potentially able-bodied and healthy people as his first response to a national or global disaster is a good start.
MC sounds more like part of a Seven Days in May scenario than part of a credible continuity-recovery plan. It is Strangelove’s post-apocalypse world in which only the military/neocons/Reichwing intelligentsia are fit to survive in their mineshaft lairs, rising to the occasion of making do with ten females to each male. Expect to hear soon that the Pentagon is worried about a Mineshaft Gap.
My roommate had a car stolen, does that count? She either lost her license or had just lost her license so I was the primary diver.
A good way to learn to drive stick in SF, be the primary driver for a manual transmission car.
Oh man, I better not be pink… it totally doesn’t go with my hair ; )
No one cares about my stalker. He was a member of White Power and a recovering heroin addict. Stole a cleat of mine once, and then (I suspect) egg-and-painted my brand new car.
Unless you could certain discredited “journalists” as stalkers.
I hereby dub you color-coded green.
Ought to work on a number of levels.
Stolen identity might be an included class. This is the best info I could find easily, it is by Steve Aftergood’s group, FAS. The one thing I do have on fairly good information is that they have a lot more in there than they commonly let on to and, what has always bugged the crap out of me, once you are in there, you don’t get out. This emanates out of a case where I represented someone on a violent felony, and he was innocent. I actually obtained a court order to strike his name from all criminal databases which, after a lot of effort, and upon information and belief, I was pretty much able to get done. Except for NCIC.
I know I am going to have nightmares about Dick Cheney’s “wetdreams” 8 million war protesters in a detention camp
Oy vey!
later
Why yes, that would do quite nicely thank you ; )
BTW, didn’t know you had a stalker… ick. Of all the things to steal, a cleat would not have come to mind…
And then there was Jodi/JodiDog…..
I guess that’s the same reason Western Europe fought the Cold War:
Okay, how many of you will admit to wondering tonight just how much cash to keep on hand and how long it will keep you “off the grid” if something like this begins to play out?
I willingly believe you got the information that the deletions had been done, but why in the world would a savvy individual such as yourself ever entertain the belief that the deletions had actually been done?
The forest defenders/non violent direct action organizers I know have been wondering about that at night for many years now…..
He believed I ditched him for an ultimate player. Stealing the cleat was handy punishment, I suspect he believed.
Jodi doesn’t count. She found me Beamish!
Pathetic. Can I just apologize for my entire gender?
I had a foreign bank account when I spent a summer abroad, and now I’m wondering how hard it would be to open a new one in another country.
Since we’re in a tin-foily mood I thought I’d remind everyone what Halliburton’s been up to:
Because I had ways of checking the State and local databases. NCIC not quite as good of access, which didn’t matter, I knew that it would never get removed, but I did try.
Green and Red Phred? Oh my…..
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Furthermore, this would put Michael Chertoff–who we know was brought into some of Yoo’s crappy OLC opinions (albeit those that deal with torture), in charge of the program.
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Protesters Blame Berkeley Prof. For U.S. Torture
http://cbs5.com/local/Yoo.tort.....26623.html
- Tom
I don’t know bmaz, Jodi was more of a lost stray than a stalker ; )
Living off the grid: how to escape the spies all around us
I still think that is deeply weird, but then that’s kinda the fundamental character flaw of a stalker, eh?
Of course not bmaz, more like Green and Gold ; ) Well, ok more red than gold, but it still works for me ; )
Thanks for explaining, bmaz.
Hmmm, lots of mutually reinforcing news out there tonight, including but not limited to: Shops Track Customers via Mobile Phone — Signals given off by phones allow shopping centres to monitor how long people stay and which stores they visit
So yeah, the part about “The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously” sounds pretty frickin’ plausible. Time to ditch our irritating, bleeping, traffic-accident-causing (not to mention expensive) cell phones yet, folks?
More cheerful thoughts on Main Core…
Anyone remember the September 2006 Iraq NIE on who constitutes a threat to the US?
(emphasis mine)
Or who the September 2006 the MCA covers as an Unlawful Enemy Combatant?
I.e. whoever the
PresidentUnitary Executive says is an enemy combatant, thats who. However, good news! We all qualify!Huh. So if this COG program is constituted under the DHS as is claimed, then how come what all those OLC opinions have been authorizing are DOD domestic actions? Is there perhaps a separate class of still-secret opinions authorizing DHS actions? Or is DHS secretly annexed to DOD? Or maybe that only kicks in at such time as COG is triggered? I dunno, I just want to understand, but there are too many moving parts to keep track of any more.
This handy document (prepared in 1998/9 for the European Parliament’s STOA = Scientific and Technological Assessment - Group) was prescient regarding surveillance and “non-lethal” technologies.
I found it the week after the WTO.
Oh - and good suggestion about cell phones (re privacy). Even the ones without GPS chips can function as tracking devices - locating you to a given “cell” in the wireless coverage area. Taking out the batteries is the only to ensure this “function” is disabled.
On that topic - buying/”feeding” “disposable” cellphones with cash is one way to have a less traceable tool.
But - of course - this is all just for intellectual curiosity.