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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68796</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The interview seems to have occurred summer 2007 last year.  The lack of questions makes the answerStream perform double work, as if answers could suggest the apposite interrogatory.  The extant memo on torture with Yoo part authorship at the time of the interview was much less damning of Y’s academic integrity than the recently publicly released 81pp Yoo memo, and we continue to lack ancillary documents which the 81pp discourse referenced.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ideologically Yoo’s muse appears to idolize the grandiose, and is indiscriminate in selecting heroes.  In the Yoo pantheon are president Reagan, and Senator Hatch.  It was a smidgeon humorous to read Yoo’s experiential reactions to justiceThomas and AttorneyGeneralAshcroft.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I see percolating in Yoo’s demagoguery in the interview is a dispersal defense the House committee who interviews Yoo soon will need to address in specificity, namely, that other attorneys and politicians removed the controls Yoo wrote into his original work, creating the basis for upending the uniform code of military justice, the field manual, international treaties on prisoner rights, and releasing nonselect people to perform torture.  Yoo avers his concept was probably only about one official in 2002 whom the intell community wanted to torture, and Yoo states that is why he wrote his permissions.  Yoo avoids depicting this in detail in several passages but puts it together in a few phrases, carefully read.  And he attempts to employ the rhetorical device of claiming the sum total tortures traceable to his memo was three, discounting the deviance at AbuGhraib.  He is fairly liberal in broadcasting such discounts, and lacking the interlocutor’s actual Q’s, it is impossible to discern how facilely Yoo seemed to escape providing direct A’s.  A followup interview now would be in order, basing it on research of all the discussion that has occurred since the 81pp memo surfaced recently in the public realm.  I doubt Yoo is as dissociated from his goals and the processes by which he produced his torture justifications as he intimates.  Though I think after reading his discourse he thinks torture should be part of the American way of military life, and part of the intell armarium as well.  There is an interesting echo of his notorious quaintness disparagement, too, in one retrospective he provides revealing that his expertise in foreign history related to law may be irrelevant in contemporary US society.  He nears this wistful perspective when complaining about the problems the Supreme Court was causing with implementation of prisoner rights countering his own initiatives to establish an insulated executive outside of the law.  He is less than explicit about this, but he provides the passing observation that people think now the courts should solve much more than has been the judiciary’s responsibility in the past, and he seems to think that is the weakest part of his having based his torture permissions on precedent; though, clearly, his individual mire in history has been selective, seeking reinforcements from noble ‘conservatives’ past.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interview seems to have occurred summer 2007 last year.  The lack of questions makes the answerStream perform double work, as if answers could suggest the apposite interrogatory.  The extant memo on torture with Yoo part authorship at the time of the interview was much less damning of Y’s academic integrity than the recently publicly released 81pp Yoo memo, and we continue to lack ancillary documents which the 81pp discourse referenced.</p>
<p>Ideologically Yoo’s muse appears to idolize the grandiose, and is indiscriminate in selecting heroes.  In the Yoo pantheon are president Reagan, and Senator Hatch.  It was a smidgeon humorous to read Yoo’s experiential reactions to justiceThomas and AttorneyGeneralAshcroft.</p>
<p>What I see percolating in Yoo’s demagoguery in the interview is a dispersal defense the House committee who interviews Yoo soon will need to address in specificity, namely, that other attorneys and politicians removed the controls Yoo wrote into his original work, creating the basis for upending the uniform code of military justice, the field manual, international treaties on prisoner rights, and releasing nonselect people to perform torture.  Yoo avers his concept was probably only about one official in 2002 whom the intell community wanted to torture, and Yoo states that is why he wrote his permissions.  Yoo avoids depicting this in detail in several passages but puts it together in a few phrases, carefully read.  And he attempts to employ the rhetorical device of claiming the sum total tortures traceable to his memo was three, discounting the deviance at AbuGhraib.  He is fairly liberal in broadcasting such discounts, and lacking the interlocutor’s actual Q’s, it is impossible to discern how facilely Yoo seemed to escape providing direct A’s.  A followup interview now would be in order, basing it on research of all the discussion that has occurred since the 81pp memo surfaced recently in the public realm.  I doubt Yoo is as dissociated from his goals and the processes by which he produced his torture justifications as he intimates.  Though I think after reading his discourse he thinks torture should be part of the American way of military life, and part of the intell armarium as well.  There is an interesting echo of his notorious quaintness disparagement, too, in one retrospective he provides revealing that his expertise in foreign history related to law may be irrelevant in contemporary US society.  He nears this wistful perspective when complaining about the problems the Supreme Court was causing with implementation of prisoner rights countering his own initiatives to establish an insulated executive outside of the law.  He is less than explicit about this, but he provides the passing observation that people think now the courts should solve much more than has been the judiciary’s responsibility in the past, and he seems to think that is the weakest part of his having based his torture permissions on precedent; though, clearly, his individual mire in history has been selective, seeking reinforcements from noble ‘conservatives’ past.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68774</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; I guess this interview really does reinforce the notion of “the banality of evil…..”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Precisely.  The evil is constant, it is the banality that makes it so insidious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I guess this interview really does reinforce the notion of “the banality of evil…..”</p>
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<p>Precisely.  The evil is constant, it is the banality that makes it so insidious.</p>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68772</link>
		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I’m only on page 13 of 27, but I’m a little surprised how relatively sane Yoo seems.  He supports legal abortion and gay marriage (though, inconveniently, always seems to find himself working for people who seek to outlaw them - “I was just doing my job!”)  Maybe his deep down desires to torture just up until organ failure don’t surface until page 14.  I guess this interview really does reinforce the notion of “the banality of evil…..”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I’m only on page 13 of 27, but I’m a little surprised how relatively sane Yoo seems.  He supports legal abortion and gay marriage (though, inconveniently, always seems to find himself working for people who seek to outlaw them &#8211; “I was just doing my job!”)  Maybe his deep down desires to torture just up until organ failure don’t surface until page 14.  I guess this interview really does reinforce the notion of “the banality of evil…..”</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68764</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The idea shared repeatedly on the legal blogs — that Yoo’s behavior is protected by notions of “academic freedom”, and that he was just rendering good faith if arguably flawed legal advice and can’t be held accountable for what his clients do with it — I find as flawed as the “reasoning” in Yoo’s infamous memos.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agreed.  The academic freedom defense is a hollow argument.  Whatever happened to academic excellence?  I thought that what institutions such as Harvard, Yale, and Berkeley sell to prospective students isn’t academic freedom, but academic excellence.  They tell parents that the education their children will receive is the best that can be had.  Using academic excellence as the critical measure, Yoo fails the test.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moreover, by leaving Youngstown out of his opinion he shows himself to be either an incompetent lawyer or an academically dishonest one.  If a scientist at a leading research institution fudges their data by leaving contradictory data out of their analysis, they are subject to firing.  Why are legal scholars not subject to the same academic standards as their scientific colleagues?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The idea shared repeatedly on the legal blogs — that Yoo’s behavior is protected by notions of “academic freedom”, and that he was just rendering good faith if arguably flawed legal advice and can’t be held accountable for what his clients do with it — I find as flawed as the “reasoning” in Yoo’s infamous memos.</p>
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<p>Agreed.  The academic freedom defense is a hollow argument.  Whatever happened to academic excellence?  I thought that what institutions such as Harvard, Yale, and Berkeley sell to prospective students isn’t academic freedom, but academic excellence.  They tell parents that the education their children will receive is the best that can be had.  Using academic excellence as the critical measure, Yoo fails the test.</p>
<p>Moreover, by leaving Youngstown out of his opinion he shows himself to be either an incompetent lawyer or an academically dishonest one.  If a scientist at a leading research institution fudges their data by leaving contradictory data out of their analysis, they are subject to firing.  Why are legal scholars not subject to the same academic standards as their scientific colleagues?</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68738</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the results from Mississippi are in&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the repuglitard party is officially CRITICALLY DEAD&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John Mccain gets to spend the next six months reenacting the Parrot Sketch&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my popcorn stocks are thru the roof&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the results from Mississippi are in</p>
<p>the repuglitard party is officially CRITICALLY DEAD</p>
<p>John Mccain gets to spend the next six months reenacting the Parrot Sketch</p>
<p>my popcorn stocks are thru the roof</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68722</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s a matta you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s a matta you?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68720</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Probably hiding from Berlusconi’s goons.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably hiding from Berlusconi’s goons.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68718</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I bought a copy of The Torture Papers, edited by Karen Greenberg and Joshua Dratel, a compilation of source documents justifying the torturers. On sale at Amazon for the real junkies. Yoo is the first one out of the box with a September 25, 2001 memo laying out the President’s powers because we are at war with terrorists, and the President has the right to attack any nation that harbors terrorists. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltasar_Garzón&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baltasar Garzon&lt;/a&gt; when you need him?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a copy of The Torture Papers, edited by Karen Greenberg and Joshua Dratel, a compilation of source documents justifying the torturers. On sale at Amazon for the real junkies. Yoo is the first one out of the box with a September 25, 2001 memo laying out the President’s powers because we are at war with terrorists, and the President has the right to attack any nation that harbors terrorists. </p>
<p>Where is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltasar_Garzón" rel="nofollow">Baltasar Garzon</a> when you need him?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68714</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gittings, who has filed at least one amicus brief before the Supreme Court, has an interesting evaluation of the first public statement of BoaltDean, CEdleyJr, toward the end itemizing rebuttals with respect to the quality of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pegc.us/_UPDATES_/PEGC_20080411_extra.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;specifically political ‘faith’&lt;/a&gt; Yoo exercised at OLC.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gittings, who has filed at least one amicus brief before the Supreme Court, has an interesting evaluation of the first public statement of BoaltDean, CEdleyJr, toward the end itemizing rebuttals with respect to the quality of the <a href="http://www.pegc.us/_UPDATES_/PEGC_20080411_extra.txt" rel="nofollow">specifically political ‘faith’</a> Yoo exercised at OLC.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/13/john-yoos-non-ephemeral-writings/#comment-68704</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yoo’s comment about ephemera, the intense irony aside, is fairly typical.  He went for the institutional stature of Harvard Law and teaching law, the nth degree of having made it in American professional society. (The only thing that would top that is independent wealth, a bar that Bush’s eight years of more for the have mores has set higher.)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yoo’s native intelligence, his acquired discipline and family resources got him there.  It’s his politics and ethic-less ambition that ought to melt the wax in his wings and send him plummeting.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea shared repeatedly on the legal blogs — that Yoo’s behavior is protected by notions of “academic freedom”, and that he was just rendering good faith if arguably flawed legal advice and can’t be held accountable for what his clients do with it — I find as flawed as the “reasoning” in Yoo’s infamous memos.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoo’s comment about ephemera, the intense irony aside, is fairly typical.  He went for the institutional stature of Harvard Law and teaching law, the nth degree of having made it in American professional society. (The only thing that would top that is independent wealth, a bar that Bush’s eight years of more for the have mores has set higher.)  </p>
<p>Yoo’s native intelligence, his acquired discipline and family resources got him there.  It’s his politics and ethic-less ambition that ought to melt the wax in his wings and send him plummeting.  </p>
<p>The idea shared repeatedly on the legal blogs — that Yoo’s behavior is protected by notions of “academic freedom”, and that he was just rendering good faith if arguably flawed legal advice and can’t be held accountable for what his clients do with it — I find as flawed as the “reasoning” in Yoo’s infamous memos.</p>
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