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		<title>By: philipmerrill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/12/just-making-it-up-on-classification/comment-page-1/#comment-68546</link>
		<dc:creator>philipmerrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Respectfully and just for the record, I think you’re wrong. The timing of this, its flexibility as a tool, and its utter ability to be helpful at a time of need means there is probably some concrete scam that has already been launched. Like the kabillion other scams, we don’t know at our peril. I have nothing to wager with, but just watch this CUI thing come back to bite all of us on the ass. Quick Congressional hearings are needed and a much higher public profile. Classificatin of classified info is not something we can stop, but hiding unclassified info under the quasi-classification of “Controlled” or “Specified Dissemination” could easily buy certain nefarious elements just the time they need to make it out of Dodge without any of us apprehending that they were getting away with anything. I suppose I believe in the timing and seeming obscurity of this one. It is as obscure as stop/loss was once upon a time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully and just for the record, I think you’re wrong. The timing of this, its flexibility as a tool, and its utter ability to be helpful at a time of need means there is probably some concrete scam that has already been launched. Like the kabillion other scams, we don’t know at our peril. I have nothing to wager with, but just watch this CUI thing come back to bite all of us on the ass. Quick Congressional hearings are needed and a much higher public profile. Classificatin of classified info is not something we can stop, but hiding unclassified info under the quasi-classification of “Controlled” or “Specified Dissemination” could easily buy certain nefarious elements just the time they need to make it out of Dodge without any of us apprehending that they were getting away with anything. I suppose I believe in the timing and seeming obscurity of this one. It is as obscure as stop/loss was once upon a time.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And don’t let’s forget that other Blast from the Fitz-Past, ‘Treat as SCI’ (Secure Compartmentalized Information).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don’t let’s forget that other Blast from the Fitz-Past, ‘Treat as SCI’ (Secure Compartmentalized Information).</p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;favorite &lt;em&gt;inside&lt;/em&gt; guy novakula makes an appearance in the DOD doc dump:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Our cadre of evil geniuses can think of many ways to motivate Saudi behavior, and we should be using them all. For example, cautious people that we are, the Pentagon should commission a secret study of how we might intervene to restore order in the former Saudi Arabia after some massive terrorist attack annihilates the Saudi royals, taking some of the oil infrastructure up with them. When that study is leaked (&lt;strong&gt;to Bob Novak, of course, not the New York Times&lt;/strong&gt;) how much more uneasy will rest the heads on which the Saudi crowns lie? Enough, perhaps, to make some greater effort against those Saudis whose business it is to exhort and export terrorism?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;fm “Bedtime for Bashar” by Jed Babbin / Spectator&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/23%20Apr%2008/Barstow%20Release%2023%20Apr%2008/7513%20-%207547.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/mi.....207547.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>favorite <em>inside</em> guy novakula makes an appearance in the DOD doc dump:</p>
<p>“Our cadre of evil geniuses can think of many ways to motivate Saudi behavior, and we should be using them all. For example, cautious people that we are, the Pentagon should commission a secret study of how we might intervene to restore order in the former Saudi Arabia after some massive terrorist attack annihilates the Saudi royals, taking some of the oil infrastructure up with them. When that study is leaked (<strong>to Bob Novak, of course, not the New York Times</strong>) how much more uneasy will rest the heads on which the Saudi crowns lie? Enough, perhaps, to make some greater effort against those Saudis whose business it is to exhort and export terrorism?”</p>
<p>fm “Bedtime for Bashar” by Jed Babbin / Spectator<br />
<a href="http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/23%20Apr%2008/Barstow%20Release%2023%20Apr%2008/7513%20-%207547.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/mi&#8230;..207547.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From a completely different angle, it’s always been strange to watch GWBush, former “Skull &amp; Bones” member, raised in privilege, son of a CIA director, talk about ‘information’.  He appears to have an oligarchic, authoritarian view of any and all information, per:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;———————–&lt;br /&gt;
Pres G W Bush at a press conference on Sept 30, 2003, in response to a question about the Plame investigation, probably in response to a question from WaPo’s Dana Priest:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THE PRESIDENT: …There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington… There’s just too many leaks. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is…. And this [Plame] investigation is a good thing… Washington is a town where there’s all kinds of allegations… &lt;strong&gt;people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information — outside the administration….&lt;/strong&gt; I want to know who the leakers are.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030930-9.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....930-9.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
——————–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, ordinarily in a democracy, the domain of ‘information’ would be a very large circle that encompasses all available knowledge, because at its core a democracy assumes free flows of information.  We’ll call it the ‘knowledge domain’.  Hence, a democracy has to place a high value on verifying information for reliability, or ‘truthfulness’ because of its role in decision-making (whether for commerce, government, military, etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
Within that large democratic ‘knowledge domain’ would be a smaller circle titled “WH_HighlyClassified” — a subset of restricted information, nested within the larger ‘information domain’.  However, whether it is in the larger (public) domain, or whether it is temporarily restricted to a sub-domain of WH users, all information derives its value from it’s truthfulness.&lt;br /&gt;
In this view, information has use only if it can be verified, tested, examined.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But an ‘oligarchic view of information’ is evidently something rather different.  And in that view, information domains don’t overlap — they’re separate, almost unrelated entities. GWHB and GWBush have both expressed this view, but GWBush is much farther along the ‘authoritarian’ end of the spectrum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GWBush posits two completely separate, unrelated ‘information domains’ — ‘inside’ and ‘outside’ of his administration.  Draw one circle on the left half of a sheet of paper; another completely unrelated, separate circle on the right side.  Circle 2 has no relationship to Circle 1.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To illustrate GWBush’s language:&lt;br /&gt;
Circle 1 = ‘people &lt;em&gt;inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources,&lt;/em&gt;…’&lt;br /&gt;
This implies that &lt;em&gt;a critical JOB FUNCTION of anyone ‘inside the information’ is to leak (’anonymously’)&lt;/em&gt;.  He specifically refers to these people as ’so-called leakers’.&lt;br /&gt;
This is how an oligarch would view information — as something to be controlled, leaked, manipulated.&lt;br /&gt;
Oligarchs derive power from controlling and manipulating ‘information’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Circle 2 = ‘…people &lt;em&gt;outside&lt;/em&gt; the information — &lt;em&gt;outside&lt;/em&gt; the administration’.&lt;br /&gt;
Being ‘outside THE information’ = ‘outside’ the administration.&lt;br /&gt;
You are never part of a larger whole; you are either ‘in’ or you are ‘out’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GWBush is an oligarchic tyrant in an Open Source world.&lt;br /&gt;
Leonard, Feingold, Whitehouse, Aftergood seem to understand that in an open source world it is extremely important (for commerce, science, and the creation of what Fukiyama calls ’social capital’/trust) that information be held to certain standards for congruence with reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They must surely be quite close to the soft, tender underbelly of whatever bureaucratic beast Cheney, Bush, and their minions have constructed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great post, EW.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a completely different angle, it’s always been strange to watch GWBush, former “Skull &amp; Bones” member, raised in privilege, son of a CIA director, talk about ‘information’.  He appears to have an oligarchic, authoritarian view of any and all information, per:</p>
<p>———————–<br />
Pres G W Bush at a press conference on Sept 30, 2003, in response to a question about the Plame investigation, probably in response to a question from WaPo’s Dana Priest:</p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT: …There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington… There’s just too many leaks. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is…. And this [Plame] investigation is a good thing… Washington is a town where there’s all kinds of allegations… <strong>people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information — outside the administration….</strong> I want to know who the leakers are.<br />
<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030930-9.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news&#8230;..930-9.html</a><br />
——————–</p>
<p>Now, ordinarily in a democracy, the domain of ‘information’ would be a very large circle that encompasses all available knowledge, because at its core a democracy assumes free flows of information.  We’ll call it the ‘knowledge domain’.  Hence, a democracy has to place a high value on verifying information for reliability, or ‘truthfulness’ because of its role in decision-making (whether for commerce, government, military, etc.)<br />
Within that large democratic ‘knowledge domain’ would be a smaller circle titled “WH_HighlyClassified” — a subset of restricted information, nested within the larger ‘information domain’.  However, whether it is in the larger (public) domain, or whether it is temporarily restricted to a sub-domain of WH users, all information derives its value from it’s truthfulness.<br />
In this view, information has use only if it can be verified, tested, examined.</p>
<p>But an ‘oligarchic view of information’ is evidently something rather different.  And in that view, information domains don’t overlap — they’re separate, almost unrelated entities. GWHB and GWBush have both expressed this view, but GWBush is much farther along the ‘authoritarian’ end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>GWBush posits two completely separate, unrelated ‘information domains’ — ‘inside’ and ‘outside’ of his administration.  Draw one circle on the left half of a sheet of paper; another completely unrelated, separate circle on the right side.  Circle 2 has no relationship to Circle 1.</p>
<p>To illustrate GWBush’s language:<br />
Circle 1 = ‘people <em>inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources,</em>…’<br />
This implies that <em>a critical JOB FUNCTION of anyone ‘inside the information’ is to leak (’anonymously’)</em>.  He specifically refers to these people as ’so-called leakers’.<br />
This is how an oligarch would view information — as something to be controlled, leaked, manipulated.<br />
Oligarchs derive power from controlling and manipulating ‘information’.</p>
<p>Circle 2 = ‘…people <em>outside</em> the information — <em>outside</em> the administration’.<br />
Being ‘outside THE information’ = ‘outside’ the administration.<br />
You are never part of a larger whole; you are either ‘in’ or you are ‘out’.</p>
<p>GWBush is an oligarchic tyrant in an Open Source world.<br />
Leonard, Feingold, Whitehouse, Aftergood seem to understand that in an open source world it is extremely important (for commerce, science, and the creation of what Fukiyama calls ’social capital’/trust) that information be held to certain standards for congruence with reality.</p>
<p>They must surely be quite close to the soft, tender underbelly of whatever bureaucratic beast Cheney, Bush, and their minions have constructed.</p>
<p>Great post, EW.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know, perhaps I should remind the folks at HJC about it before David Addington shows up…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for reminding me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, perhaps I should remind the folks at HJC about it before David Addington shows up…</p>
<p>Thanks for reminding me.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Foland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Foland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is my chance once again to say that the “TATS” (”Treat As Top Secret”) that Cheney’s office was marking on various unclassified documents is surely a story worth learning more about…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my chance once again to say that the “TATS” (”Treat As Top Secret”) that Cheney’s office was marking on various unclassified documents is surely a story worth learning more about…</p>
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		<title>By: MarkusQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkusQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
makes it increasingly difficult to &lt;i&gt;reserve&lt;/i&gt; the integrity
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shouldn’t that be “&lt;i&gt;preserve&lt;/i&gt;“?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– MarkusQ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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makes it increasingly difficult to <i>reserve</i> the integrity
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<p>Shouldn’t that be “<i>preserve</i>“?</p>
<p>– MarkusQ</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am reminded of the suicide bombers and Al Qaeda making videos of their dirty deeds. Wondering if the neocons have a similar desire to captures  something for posterity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they don’t want to keep files of their dirty work, how are they going to have trophies of their ‘achievements’ for later generations of this new American century to marvel at?  Money might be too generic–wondering if they are keeping trophies in some other manner.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the suicide bombers and Al Qaeda making videos of their dirty deeds. Wondering if the neocons have a similar desire to captures  something for posterity.</p>
<p>If they don’t want to keep files of their dirty work, how are they going to have trophies of their ‘achievements’ for later generations of this new American century to marvel at?  Money might be too generic–wondering if they are keeping trophies in some other manner.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There was an April 11, 2008 letter signed by many archiving organizations &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openthegovernment.org/otg/CUI-Bolten-letter.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sent to Bolten&lt;/a&gt; [14KB] on the prototype for the now formally announced new [dis]information classification guidelines, citing the executive branch office of science and technology policy’s avowed interest in information sharing as early as 2002, which executive office OSTP is on HenryW’s 20MB grid of absent and/or &lt;a href=&quot;http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20080227155329.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;winnowed emails&lt;/a&gt;, the latter from February 27, 2008 unfortunately documenting the anomalies only back as far as January 2003.  The administration seemed to discover early in its first term an innate antipathy toward science, which is a field that relies on a peer vetted knowledge development paradigm.   I appreciate the Leonard document, as I had not made time to review that hearing from April 30 2008; I knew Sen.RussF would assemble a substantial aggregate of witnesses.  I suppose one benefit to Bush for his legacy will be the presidential library will fit in a small room with a computer that has limited memory and not much space on the drives; Bloch could donate some of his preferred portable drives of his departmet’s working files.  I had wondered if OSC’s Bloch’s thumb drive preference was simply another way to stay on the job keeping all currently important files in flashdrive form only, but also serving the purpose of adding a layer of removal from accessibility of any sort save on a case by case basis.  The March 4 2008 &lt;a href=&quot;http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/20080304BlochInterview.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;unsworn deposition&lt;/a&gt; linked in a recent Bloch thread proffered all manner of excuses for erasing information, but that is a different topic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an April 11, 2008 letter signed by many archiving organizations <a href="http://www.openthegovernment.org/otg/CUI-Bolten-letter.pdf" rel="nofollow">sent to Bolten</a> [14KB] on the prototype for the now formally announced new [dis]information classification guidelines, citing the executive branch office of science and technology policy’s avowed interest in information sharing as early as 2002, which executive office OSTP is on HenryW’s 20MB grid of absent and/or <a href="http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20080227155329.pdf" rel="nofollow">winnowed emails</a>, the latter from February 27, 2008 unfortunately documenting the anomalies only back as far as January 2003.  The administration seemed to discover early in its first term an innate antipathy toward science, which is a field that relies on a peer vetted knowledge development paradigm.   I appreciate the Leonard document, as I had not made time to review that hearing from April 30 2008; I knew Sen.RussF would assemble a substantial aggregate of witnesses.  I suppose one benefit to Bush for his legacy will be the presidential library will fit in a small room with a computer that has limited memory and not much space on the drives; Bloch could donate some of his preferred portable drives of his departmet’s working files.  I had wondered if OSC’s Bloch’s thumb drive preference was simply another way to stay on the job keeping all currently important files in flashdrive form only, but also serving the purpose of adding a layer of removal from accessibility of any sort save on a case by case basis.  The March 4 2008 <a href="http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/20080304BlochInterview.pdf" rel="nofollow">unsworn deposition</a> linked in a recent Bloch thread proffered all manner of excuses for erasing information, but that is a different topic.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, it was all one long redeye day for me, April 29-30. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, it was all one long redeye day for me, April 29-30. Thanks.</p>
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