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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I tried to tell emptywheel a couple threads back to bet the auspiciously named “Denis of Cork” (”Beamish” being from there) to be in the money.  He made a predictable late run and clunked up for an unsurprising third at a very generous 27-1, for a trifecta payout of $3400 on a $2 bet, or almost 5-1 on a show bet.  It’s just a shame I didn’t play him that way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to tell emptywheel a couple threads back to bet the auspiciously named “Denis of Cork” (”Beamish” being from there) to be in the money.  He made a predictable late run and clunked up for an unsurprising third at a very generous 27-1, for a trifecta payout of $3400 on a $2 bet, or almost 5-1 on a show bet.  It’s just a shame I didn’t play him that way.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Merci aussi to Loo Hoo and to kspena for those links. I remember those attacks well. They remind me also of the shelling and bombing of a well-marked and well-known UN observation post in southern Lebanon in July 2006, an attack that was sustained over many hours, during which a senior Irish officer nearby repeatedly warned the Israelis that their only immediate targets were UN personnel. A bomb finally killed the four UN observers, one each from Austria, Finland, China, and Canada. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kofi Annan called the bombing deliberate. The governments of Ireland, Austria, Finland, and China protested. And the PM of Canada … fell all over himself to make excuses for Israel, an astonishingly crude and cruel thing to do to the widow and family of the Canadian officer who was killed. Heckuva job supporting our soldiers and their families, Mr Harper.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci aussi to Loo Hoo and to kspena for those links. I remember those attacks well. They remind me also of the shelling and bombing of a well-marked and well-known UN observation post in southern Lebanon in July 2006, an attack that was sustained over many hours, during which a senior Irish officer nearby repeatedly warned the Israelis that their only immediate targets were UN personnel. A bomb finally killed the four UN observers, one each from Austria, Finland, China, and Canada. </p>
<p>Kofi Annan called the bombing deliberate. The governments of Ireland, Austria, Finland, and China protested. And the PM of Canada … fell all over himself to make excuses for Israel, an astonishingly crude and cruel thing to do to the widow and family of the Canadian officer who was killed. Heckuva job supporting our soldiers and their families, Mr Harper.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You would think that when she’s layin’ on that pillow, Andrea Mrs. Greenspan could ask  ole Al to show her all the ways that the gas tax proposal is consummately stupid instead of wasting TV air time for days on end.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have an idea:  Andrea Mrs. Greenspan can interview Mr. Andrea Mitchell and ask him just how stupid and disingenuous the gas tax plan is.  After all, Al got an 8.5 million dollar advance on his book on economics. He should be able to shut her up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think that when she’s layin’ on that pillow, Andrea Mrs. Greenspan could ask  ole Al to show her all the ways that the gas tax proposal is consummately stupid instead of wasting TV air time for days on end.</p>
<p>I have an idea:  Andrea Mrs. Greenspan can interview Mr. Andrea Mitchell and ask him just how stupid and disingenuous the gas tax plan is.  After all, Al got an 8.5 million dollar advance on his book on economics. He should be able to shut her up.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TV is infinitely worse amd MSM print media is pathetic at a baseline.  If you were to turn on Fox (Faux) with about 1.2 million average viewers, or MSNBC or CNN with about 350,000 average viewers these self congratulating, nauseatingly repetative airheads who call themselves “the best political team(s) in televison” are running basically two themes 24X7 and all today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) Reverand Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright and more Wright and more Wright&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) Clinton bullshitting at a gas pump (that she doesn’t even know how to work–does it get any dumber?) with the &lt;strong&gt;gas tax gambit&lt;/strong&gt; that she couldn’t get passed to save her life in this Congress(she’s actually sponsered two viable pieces of legislation after 7 years in the Senate, that if she could get passed would save  28 cents a day or $28 a month on average, would deplete the federal road improvement budgets (think “it’s no fun to fall to my death through a Minnesota interstate bridge’s road collapse, and would do nothing to help anyone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s see:  If I graduated Yale Law school,  I’m deploying 8 Chevy Suburbans to film some commerical purporting how to save people money at the gas pump–should I, can I learn in a few minutes how to pull the hose off the pump, and raise the lever to make sure it will pump gas–do they teach that at Yale law school, hmmmmmm…….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not a “short term fix”–it’s what you see on the 11th Avenue near the bridge in NYC when the working girls knock on your car window.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There isn’t even the honesty that she couldn’t get it passed in the Senate chamber whose door she hasn’t darkened in a year and did not show up for the FISA vote even though her SUV driver was 10 miles from the Capitol building on the day it was last taken in the Senate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TV is infinitely worse amd MSM print media is pathetic at a baseline.  If you were to turn on Fox (Faux) with about 1.2 million average viewers, or MSNBC or CNN with about 350,000 average viewers these self congratulating, nauseatingly repetative airheads who call themselves “the best political team(s) in televison” are running basically two themes 24X7 and all today:</p>
<p>1) Reverand Wright Wright Wright Wright Wright and more Wright and more Wright</p>
<p>2) Clinton bullshitting at a gas pump (that she doesn’t even know how to work–does it get any dumber?) with the <strong>gas tax gambit</strong> that she couldn’t get passed to save her life in this Congress(she’s actually sponsered two viable pieces of legislation after 7 years in the Senate, that if she could get passed would save  28 cents a day or $28 a month on average, would deplete the federal road improvement budgets (think “it’s no fun to fall to my death through a Minnesota interstate bridge’s road collapse, and would do nothing to help anyone.</p>
<p>Let’s see:  If I graduated Yale Law school,  I’m deploying 8 Chevy Suburbans to film some commerical purporting how to save people money at the gas pump–should I, can I learn in a few minutes how to pull the hose off the pump, and raise the lever to make sure it will pump gas–do they teach that at Yale law school, hmmmmmm…….</p>
<p>It’s not a “short term fix”–it’s what you see on the 11th Avenue near the bridge in NYC when the working girls knock on your car window.</p>
<p>There isn’t even the honesty that she couldn’t get it passed in the Senate chamber whose door she hasn’t darkened in a year and did not show up for the FISA vote even though her SUV driver was 10 miles from the Capitol building on the day it was last taken in the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t want to be banal or trite, but MSM, even the most talented, is going to do little but skim the surface for the most part on most every issue that is a thread on an EW/and for a while Bmaz blog.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A great example is that the investigative reporter,  Eric Lichtblau, obviously talented who covers DOJ and Terrorism issues out of their Wahsington Bureau has skimmed the suface on FISA and left out key elements of the blatantly dishonest manipulating and pandering on the part of the Republican Senate, some Blue Dog Dems, and the Intelligence Community and DOJ–turf he knows well as to FISA.  This is all the more ironic because Lichtblau and Risen broke the warrantless wiretapping story in the first place after sitting on it with the &lt;em&gt;NYT&lt;/em&gt; board &lt;strong&gt;since they knew about it in 2004:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2005/12/16/times/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How long did the Times hold its news of Warrantless Wiretapping?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A few members of MSM write helpful books, but most of the print media does a pathetic job of covering key issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The blogs here (and others) and the comments like yours above are where I get substantive info on issues. Thanks for the link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t want to be banal or trite, but MSM, even the most talented, is going to do little but skim the surface for the most part on most every issue that is a thread on an EW/and for a while Bmaz blog.</p>
<p>A great example is that the investigative reporter,  Eric Lichtblau, obviously talented who covers DOJ and Terrorism issues out of their Wahsington Bureau has skimmed the suface on FISA and left out key elements of the blatantly dishonest manipulating and pandering on the part of the Republican Senate, some Blue Dog Dems, and the Intelligence Community and DOJ–turf he knows well as to FISA.  This is all the more ironic because Lichtblau and Risen broke the warrantless wiretapping story in the first place after sitting on it with the <em>NYT</em> board <strong>since they knew about it in 2004:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2005/12/16/times/index.html" rel="nofollow">How long did the Times hold its news of Warrantless Wiretapping?</a></p>
<p>A few members of MSM write helpful books, but most of the print media does a pathetic job of covering key issues.</p>
<p>The blogs here (and others) and the comments like yours above are where I get substantive info on issues. Thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The completion of Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was mentioned on C-Span’s Washington Journal this morning.  It was mentioned how sections of the investigation including the Office of Special Plans had not been completed.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tim Starks of the Congressional Quarterly discussing U.S. Intelligence issues.  He talked about the incomplete Phase II of the SSCI&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&amp;Code=WJE&amp;ShowVidNum=9&amp;Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&amp;Rot_HT=206&amp;Rot_WD=&amp;ShowVidDays=100&amp;ShowVidDesc=&amp;ArchiveDays=30&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.c-span.org/homepage.....iveDays=30&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also on C-Span on the same program a mention of how the MSM has not touched the investigation of the Aipac/Rosen espionage trial.  Worth the listen&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  I Called the United States Court Eastern District of Virginia/Alexandria division this morning (703-299-2102) spoke with Kathy about the U.S. vs.Rosen/Weissman case #05CR225) she said there were two motions today having to do with that case.  She believed the public could attend today at 5:22 and 5:29 p.m. at 401 Courthouse square Alexandria Virginia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We know the MSM has barely whispered anything about this investigation or trial.  Chris Matthews once whispered that the trial had been delayed once again.  According to several people at the Courthouse a trial date will more than likely be set at some point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wonder if the MSM will ever turn their spotlight on this critical investigation and trial.  The American public are completely in the dark about this&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The completion of Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was mentioned on C-Span’s Washington Journal this morning.  It was mentioned how sections of the investigation including the Office of Special Plans had not been completed.   </p>
<p>Tim Starks of the Congressional Quarterly discussing U.S. Intelligence issues.  He talked about the incomplete Phase II of the SSCI<br />
<a href="http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&amp;Code=WJE&amp;ShowVidNum=9&amp;Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&amp;Rot_HT=206&amp;Rot_WD=&amp;ShowVidDays=100&amp;ShowVidDesc=&amp;ArchiveDays=30" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-span.org/homepage&#8230;..iveDays=30</a></p>
<p>Also on C-Span on the same program a mention of how the MSM has not touched the investigation of the Aipac/Rosen espionage trial.  Worth the listen</p>
<p>  I Called the United States Court Eastern District of Virginia/Alexandria division this morning (703-299-2102) spoke with Kathy about the U.S. vs.Rosen/Weissman case #05CR225) she said there were two motions today having to do with that case.  She believed the public could attend today at 5:22 and 5:29 p.m. at 401 Courthouse square Alexandria Virginia.</p>
<p>We know the MSM has barely whispered anything about this investigation or trial.  Chris Matthews once whispered that the trial had been delayed once again.  According to several people at the Courthouse a trial date will more than likely be set at some point.</p>
<p>Wonder if the MSM will ever turn their spotlight on this critical investigation and trial.  The American public are completely in the dark about this</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Bmaz . Thanks Selise.  Calling, e-mailing&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bmaz . Thanks Selise.  Calling, e-mailing</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 06:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike McConnell (how consonant careless of me).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike McConnell (how consonant careless of me).</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 06:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m all ears. There is nothing I could tell you about FISA that you haven’t been able to follow for nearly a year, but I really had my fill of the egregious beyond the pale lying that the Republicans did, including the West Wing and how easily McCasey, CIA Director Hayden, and National Security Director McConnel were coopted to lie to the public about FISA and the metaphorical yawning that the media has done with it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I noticed that not one person questioned Eric Lichtblau the other day when he was online at FDL as to how he had skimmed the surface on it, and I know Glenn Greenwald nailed his superficial distortions in the &lt;em&gt;NYT&lt;/em&gt; and Lichtblau muttered to Glenn that he “ran out of space.”  That’s pure crap and frustrated the hell out of me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know critical “endgame action” to use the media and the Beltway’s stupid stilted phrase is happening with FISA and there’s not a damn thing in the media or anywhere else because it’s all being handled secretly to ensure no participation by votes and no listening to voters on this by elected representatives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I’m missing something here, I’m sure you won’t be shy about educating me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m all ears. There is nothing I could tell you about FISA that you haven’t been able to follow for nearly a year, but I really had my fill of the egregious beyond the pale lying that the Republicans did, including the West Wing and how easily McCasey, CIA Director Hayden, and National Security Director McConnel were coopted to lie to the public about FISA and the metaphorical yawning that the media has done with it.</p>
<p>I noticed that not one person questioned Eric Lichtblau the other day when he was online at FDL as to how he had skimmed the surface on it, and I know Glenn Greenwald nailed his superficial distortions in the <em>NYT</em> and Lichtblau muttered to Glenn that he “ran out of space.”  That’s pure crap and frustrated the hell out of me.</p>
<p>I know critical “endgame action” to use the media and the Beltway’s stupid stilted phrase is happening with FISA and there’s not a damn thing in the media or anywhere else because it’s all being handled secretly to ensure no participation by votes and no listening to voters on this by elected representatives.</p>
<p>If I’m missing something here, I’m sure you won’t be shy about educating me.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems like a different kinda sitiation coming up. It’s possible that our elected representatives are interested in listening to their voters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a different kinda sitiation coming up. It’s possible that our elected representatives are interested in listening to their voters.</p>
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