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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67380</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 05:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is Marty around and able to comment?:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A founder of the Venezuelean voting machine company that is (or used to be) the parent of the US voting machine company Sequoia — whose machines are having &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1280&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;documented problems counting properly&lt;/a&gt; — &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5947&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;died yesterday in an unusual small plane crash&lt;/a&gt; in Caracas together with a pilot who’d had drug trafficking convictions in both the US and Venezuela.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Marty around and able to comment?:</p>
<p>A founder of the Venezuelean voting machine company that is (or used to be) the parent of the US voting machine company Sequoia — whose machines are having <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1280" rel="nofollow">documented problems counting properly</a> — <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5947" rel="nofollow">died yesterday in an unusual small plane crash</a> in Caracas together with a pilot who’d had drug trafficking convictions in both the US and Venezuela.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67370</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dunno the answer and certainly can’t speak for Whitehouse. However, I’ve been in situations where Roberts Rules were the OS and more than once I’ve voted with scumbuckets — the **only** way to bring an item back for reconsideration as a general rule is to be in the MAJORITY of those voting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, if you know something (that’s appalling) is going to pass, you hold your nose and vote ‘Yeah’, so that you are later in a position to ‘bring it back for reconsideration’ once you’ve rounded up new allies and brought new info into the conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s hope that is Whitehouse’s motive; it’s mere speculation on my end, but it’s logical and happens all the time in many legislative councils, commissions, and legislative arenas.  (However, it’s only done if you take time to pay attention to the rules so you can figure out this ‘workaround’; some people never seem to figure it out, but it’s &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; complicated.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno the answer and certainly can’t speak for Whitehouse. However, I’ve been in situations where Roberts Rules were the OS and more than once I’ve voted with scumbuckets — the **only** way to bring an item back for reconsideration as a general rule is to be in the MAJORITY of those voting.</p>
<p>In other words, if you know something (that’s appalling) is going to pass, you hold your nose and vote ‘Yeah’, so that you are later in a position to ‘bring it back for reconsideration’ once you’ve rounded up new allies and brought new info into the conversation.</p>
<p>Let’s hope that is Whitehouse’s motive; it’s mere speculation on my end, but it’s logical and happens all the time in many legislative councils, commissions, and legislative arenas.  (However, it’s only done if you take time to pay attention to the rules so you can figure out this ‘workaround’; some people never seem to figure it out, but it’s <em>not</em> complicated.)</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67364</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Easy, simple answer as to why US media has already headlined Palfrey’s death as ’suicide’, despite its suspicious timing: perhaps some media were ‘clients’.  Who would prefer nothing more be written, stated, or known about Ms Palfrey.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems the simplest, most likely explanation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy, simple answer as to why US media has already headlined Palfrey’s death as ’suicide’, despite its suspicious timing: perhaps some media were ‘clients’.  Who would prefer nothing more be written, stated, or known about Ms Palfrey.</p>
<p>Seems the simplest, most likely explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67349</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The bipartisan “war on drugs” seems more like war on the poor and the middling purveyors who supply them.  One doesn’t often hear about the top dogs going to prison.  Likewise with the way “minimum” and “mandatory” sentencing has worked.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We breed prisons as much as prisoners.  We outsource their management and enrich their managers.  Our politicians empower that and tell us they’re making us safer.  Just as Mr. Bush outsources our privacy, our military, our tax collecting, and our public debt.  He outsources his job to his deputy and calls that leadership.  He confuses opportunism with leadership.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bipartisan “war on drugs” seems more like war on the poor and the middling purveyors who supply them.  One doesn’t often hear about the top dogs going to prison.  Likewise with the way “minimum” and “mandatory” sentencing has worked.  </p>
<p>We breed prisons as much as prisoners.  We outsource their management and enrich their managers.  Our politicians empower that and tell us they’re making us safer.  Just as Mr. Bush outsources our privacy, our military, our tax collecting, and our public debt.  He outsources his job to his deputy and calls that leadership.  He confuses opportunism with leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67335</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And embedded in all Sheldon Whitehouse’s fantastic speeches, he caved his ass big time by siding with Jello the Jay (Jello Whitehouse) in pushing for the SSIC’s retroactive immunity and egregious bill.  He’s never explained this substantively in any speech, and as a former US Attorney in Rhode Island he should know much better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And embedded in all Sheldon Whitehouse’s fantastic speeches, he caved his ass big time by siding with Jello the Jay (Jello Whitehouse) in pushing for the SSIC’s retroactive immunity and egregious bill.  He’s never explained this substantively in any speech, and as a former US Attorney in Rhode Island he should know much better.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67334</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fantastic speech from Whitehouse, just such a classic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic speech from Whitehouse, just such a classic.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I appreciate the tips.  I always like to hear what Linux someone is using.  I have been Windoz hobbying and Beta testing for a long time, but the more I use my friends’ Macs the more I like them–they perform just great, are fast and don’t have a lot of the windoz time wasting as to wizards and drill downs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Off topic to encryption but funny to me:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Up until recently the feds, (places like DOJ, Homeland Security, CIA, were so dumb they put their backup servers on top literally of their regular servers) instead of off site.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A couple years ago in Ohio at an Ohio Nuclear Reactor site one of the “brain surgeons” at the top there took his laptop home to play games with his grandson, taking it outside their firewalls and doing nothing to compensate.  He was hacked in 31 minutes, and had direct control of the reactors whch were fortnately off line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the tips.  I always like to hear what Linux someone is using.  I have been Windoz hobbying and Beta testing for a long time, but the more I use my friends’ Macs the more I like them–they perform just great, are fast and don’t have a lot of the windoz time wasting as to wizards and drill downs.</p>
<p>Off topic to encryption but funny to me:</p>
<p>Up until recently the feds, (places like DOJ, Homeland Security, CIA, were so dumb they put their backup servers on top literally of their regular servers) instead of off site.</p>
<p>A couple years ago in Ohio at an Ohio Nuclear Reactor site one of the “brain surgeons” at the top there took his laptop home to play games with his grandson, taking it outside their firewalls and doing nothing to compensate.  He was hacked in 31 minutes, and had direct control of the reactors whch were fortnately off line.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67331</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like drugs, entertainment represents escape, and the more immersive the entertainment, the greater the escape.  I think that explains the Grand Theft Auto IV lines-around-the-block phenomenon pretty well.  I leave it to our resident personal psychology experts to work out the mental mechanisms — not to mention the ironies — that flow from the fact that the GTA4 world is a highly realistic dystopian, violent, wartime, prostitution-and-drug-crime-rich one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like drugs, entertainment represents escape, and the more immersive the entertainment, the greater the escape.  I think that explains the Grand Theft Auto IV lines-around-the-block phenomenon pretty well.  I leave it to our resident personal psychology experts to work out the mental mechanisms — not to mention the ironies — that flow from the fact that the GTA4 world is a highly realistic dystopian, violent, wartime, prostitution-and-drug-crime-rich one.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67330</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT alert! ***&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bmaz, At TMP, a clip of Whitehouse talking about the firing of an EPA official in the Midwest, who tried to make Dow Chemical clean up dioxin. Firing reported in Chicago Tribune today:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/green/chi-epa-official-resigns_webmay02,0,4655733.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....5733.story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Highlighted at TPM, with a clip of Whitehouse on the Senate floor today:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/whitehouse_epa_regulator_firin.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi....._firin.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When it comes to chemical pollutants, there are no ‘Democrats’ or ‘Republicans’.  Pollutants are non-partisan.  Boxer to hold hearings next Wed via Sen. Comm on Environment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sara and kylnn have both alluded to this (or related problems) in past threads. Perhaps they have more info.  Sorry about the OT, but this is a ‘head’s up.’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT alert! ***</p>
<p>bmaz, At TMP, a clip of Whitehouse talking about the firing of an EPA official in the Midwest, who tried to make Dow Chemical clean up dioxin. Firing reported in Chicago Tribune today:  <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/green/chi-epa-official-resigns_webmay02,0,4655733.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/&#8230;..5733.story</a></p>
<p>Highlighted at TPM, with a clip of Whitehouse on the Senate floor today:<br />
<a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/whitehouse_epa_regulator_firin.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi&#8230;.._firin.php</a></p>
<p>When it comes to chemical pollutants, there are no ‘Democrats’ or ‘Republicans’.  Pollutants are non-partisan.  Boxer to hold hearings next Wed via Sen. Comm on Environment.</p>
<p>Sara and kylnn have both alluded to this (or related problems) in past threads. Perhaps they have more info.  Sorry about the OT, but this is a ‘head’s up.’</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/05/01/the-uncounted-wiretaps/#comment-67328</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mixminion is kindof a tough tool to make use of, and to me, the main mixminion website instructions weren’t all that helpful.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I use linux (Mandriva distro) and my tor manager is &lt;a href=&quot;http://sourceforge.net/projects/tork&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tork&lt;/a&gt; which makes it easy.  It includes an option to install mixminion and then provides a simple button to hit when you want to send a mixminion message.  Encrypt the message via PGP or gnupg (on linux) and send it via mixminion and you have an email that is very hard to trace the origin of (particularly if the tor path you wind is appropriately broad - like passing through Europe and other continents before it goes to your recipient) AND is strongly encrypted.  Of course, the recipient address can be had rather easily.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tork also provides simple buttons for starting up an anonymized chat session, anonimized ssh, ftp, etc, sessions as well, starting up an anonimized mozilla (and/or add tor button mozilla extension and anonymize on the fly - but wipe your history and cookies to be sure).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mixminion is kindof a tough tool to make use of, and to me, the main mixminion website instructions weren’t all that helpful.</p>
<p>I use linux (Mandriva distro) and my tor manager is <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/tork" rel="nofollow">Tork</a> which makes it easy.  It includes an option to install mixminion and then provides a simple button to hit when you want to send a mixminion message.  Encrypt the message via PGP or gnupg (on linux) and send it via mixminion and you have an email that is very hard to trace the origin of (particularly if the tor path you wind is appropriately broad &#8211; like passing through Europe and other continents before it goes to your recipient) AND is strongly encrypted.  Of course, the recipient address can be had rather easily.</p>
<p>Tork also provides simple buttons for starting up an anonymized chat session, anonimized ssh, ftp, etc, sessions as well, starting up an anonimized mozilla (and/or add tor button mozilla extension and anonymize on the fly &#8211; but wipe your history and cookies to be sure).</p>
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