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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/24/which-master-do-these-rent-a-generals-serve/#comment-66540</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Bob,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a great write-up on J-Street.  I’m surprised more has not been written about them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m beginning to see a relationship between their founding and what happened here in Ohio.  They have some Howard Dean and Clinton history…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://leftofdayton.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/the-launch-of-j-street-the-new-pro-peace-pro-israel-lobby/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://leftofdayton.wordpress......ael-lobby/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bob,</p>
<p>This is a great write-up on J-Street.  I’m surprised more has not been written about them.</p>
<p>I’m beginning to see a relationship between their founding and what happened here in Ohio.  They have some Howard Dean and Clinton history…</p>
<p><a href="http://leftofdayton.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/the-launch-of-j-street-the-new-pro-peace-pro-israel-lobby/" rel="nofollow">http://leftofdayton.wordpress&#8230;&#8230;ael-lobby/</a></p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/24/which-master-do-these-rent-a-generals-serve/#comment-66539</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is Cheney being punked by the Israelis? or Putin? or Iran? or China?&lt;br /&gt;
He’s being punked by someone. Who?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ROTL, could not agree more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IRT Photoshop, live with a Photoshop wiz.  It is amazing what someone can does with the layers features.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is Cheney being punked by the Israelis? or Putin? or Iran? or China?<br />
He’s being punked by someone. Who?</p>
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<p>ROTL, could not agree more.</p>
<p>IRT Photoshop, live with a Photoshop wiz.  It is amazing what someone can does with the layers features.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/24/which-master-do-these-rent-a-generals-serve/#comment-66538</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree this is about Iran but also a little bit about North Korea. Both have UN deadlines coming up. However, I did read an article yesterday (I’ll find the link) that said this will not affect North Korea’s status with the Six-Party talks, that this presentation served the purpose of looking tough on North Korea for the sake of Japan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which means:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, all about Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope we remember what Russia said if Iran is attacked:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The barely reported highlight of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to Tehran for the Caspian Sea summit last week was a key face-to-face meeting with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A high-level diplomatic source in Tehran tells Asia Times Online that essentially Putin and the Supreme Leader have agreed on a plan to nullify the George W Bush administration’s relentless drive towards launching a preemptive attack, perhaps a tactical nuclear strike, against Iran. An American attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow as an attack on Russia. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think we may also be dealing with some intel blackmail. I think we have uncovered how high up the Israeli spy infiltration is in our government. Each time we drop info on Israel, they will have something on us (like the West Bank letter.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The US-Israeli relationship is on the rocks behind the scenes. The fact that the Jewish community formed a new lobby group last month which states they are a “pro-peace negotiations” lobby (J-Street) only weeks before a spy is outed speaks loudly. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jstreet.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jstreet.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob, I posted a question no one has responded to. I’ll run it by you.  The state of Ohio in February was passing legislation to divest state investments in Iran, and Iranian supporter states of North Korea, Syria and Sudan. AIPAC in Ohio lobbied hard (and was successful) to keep Ohio from full divestment in Iran and no divestment in North Korea, Syria and Sudan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What interest would AIPAC have except to end run the concept of financial sanctions and how effective they can be?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For myself, it is yet more evidence that Israel does not want a peace process.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree this is about Iran but also a little bit about North Korea. Both have UN deadlines coming up. However, I did read an article yesterday (I’ll find the link) that said this will not affect North Korea’s status with the Six-Party talks, that this presentation served the purpose of looking tough on North Korea for the sake of Japan.</p>
<p>Which means:</p>
<blockquote><p>…the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites.
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<p>Thus, all about Iran.</p>
<p>I hope we remember what Russia said if Iran is attacked:</p>
<blockquote><p>The barely reported highlight of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to Tehran for the Caspian Sea summit last week was a key face-to-face meeting with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.</p>
<p>A high-level diplomatic source in Tehran tells Asia Times Online that essentially Putin and the Supreme Leader have agreed on a plan to nullify the George W Bush administration’s relentless drive towards launching a preemptive attack, perhaps a tactical nuclear strike, against Iran. An American attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow as an attack on Russia. </p>
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<p>I think we may also be dealing with some intel blackmail. I think we have uncovered how high up the Israeli spy infiltration is in our government. Each time we drop info on Israel, they will have something on us (like the West Bank letter.)</p>
<p>The US-Israeli relationship is on the rocks behind the scenes. The fact that the Jewish community formed a new lobby group last month which states they are a “pro-peace negotiations” lobby (J-Street) only weeks before a spy is outed speaks loudly. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jstreet.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jstreet.org/</a></p>
<p>Bob, I posted a question no one has responded to. I’ll run it by you.  The state of Ohio in February was passing legislation to divest state investments in Iran, and Iranian supporter states of North Korea, Syria and Sudan. AIPAC in Ohio lobbied hard (and was successful) to keep Ohio from full divestment in Iran and no divestment in North Korea, Syria and Sudan.</p>
<p>What interest would AIPAC have except to end run the concept of financial sanctions and how effective they can be?</p>
<p>For myself, it is yet more evidence that Israel does not want a peace process.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding the Syrian Caper and the Iran connection, be sure to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/25/syria/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Update II” by Glennzilla&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down). The take-home message:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“He was telling the Chinese leadership that they’d better warn Iran that we can’t hold back Israel, and that the Iranians should look at Syria and see what’s coming next if diplomacy fails,” the person familiar with the discussion said. “His message was that the Syrian attack was in part aimed at Iran.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now tell me again why The Spook’s hypothesis is outlandish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Syrian Caper and the Iran connection, be sure to read <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/25/syria/index.html" rel="nofollow">“Update II” by Glennzilla</a> (scroll down). The take-home message:</p>
<blockquote><p>“He was telling the Chinese leadership that they’d better warn Iran that we can’t hold back Israel, and that the Iranians should look at Syria and see what’s coming next if diplomacy fails,” the person familiar with the discussion said. “His message was that the Syrian attack was in part aimed at Iran.”</p>
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<p>Now tell me again why The Spook’s hypothesis is outlandish.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link to Glenn.  He referenced some great articles and information.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All I have to say is, this better be the real thing.  If it is not, we will not have credibility as an intel community or within the global intel community for a long time. Nor will Israel. With all that is going on here with AIPAC, Franklin, Abramoff, the recent arrest of an Israeli spy and the whole secret Bush “ok” memo for West Bank expansion (God help us if a real letter exists).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope the anti-war intel people move fast and restore our credibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Glenn.  He referenced some great articles and information.</p>
<p>All I have to say is, this better be the real thing.  If it is not, we will not have credibility as an intel community or within the global intel community for a long time. Nor will Israel. With all that is going on here with AIPAC, Franklin, Abramoff, the recent arrest of an Israeli spy and the whole secret Bush “ok” memo for West Bank expansion (God help us if a real letter exists).</p>
<p>I hope the anti-war intel people move fast and restore our credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob, it’s just hard to believe that even Cheney could conceivably be THAT stupid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even a cold-hearted pragmatist, completely lacking in remorse and ruthless, ought to nevertheless retain enough basic information about the human species to understand that the world doesn’t turn solely on military or economic activities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IF you are correct, then color me dumber than a doorknob for failing to come to terms much sooner with the utterly breathtaking stupidity of the mindset you describe.&lt;br /&gt;
Jeez.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, it’s just hard to believe that even Cheney could conceivably be THAT stupid.</p>
<p>Even a cold-hearted pragmatist, completely lacking in remorse and ruthless, ought to nevertheless retain enough basic information about the human species to understand that the world doesn’t turn solely on military or economic activities.</p>
<p>IF you are correct, then color me dumber than a doorknob for failing to come to terms much sooner with the utterly breathtaking stupidity of the mindset you describe.<br />
Jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; In response to  bobschacht @ 86&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, given Cheney’s obsession with Iran, I’ve sometimes wondered whether he was one of the prime ‘negotiators’ with the Iranians to keep those US hostages in 1980 until after the US elections.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is he trying to destroy in Iran that is such a big, dark secret?&lt;br /&gt;
Color me confused.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Cheney wants unfettered access to Iraqi oil. I think that he thinks Iran threatens unfettered &lt;strike&gt;U.S./&lt;/strike&gt;Halliburton/Exxon access to Iraqi oil. Besides which, Iran has a bunch of oil of its own, mostly in the Iranian southwest, adjacent to Iraq. So he probably wants to re-open the Iran-Iraq war in order to grab the oil-rich parts of Iran, then bomb the rest of Iran back into the stone age so that it presents no interference to &lt;strike&gt;American &lt;/strike&gt; Halliburton’s exploitation of Iraqi-Iranian oil for decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But of course that’s all wild-eyed speculation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> In response to  bobschacht @ 86</p>
<p>Yeah, given Cheney’s obsession with Iran, I’ve sometimes wondered whether he was one of the prime ‘negotiators’ with the Iranians to keep those US hostages in 1980 until after the US elections.</p>
<p>What is he trying to destroy in Iran that is such a big, dark secret?<br />
Color me confused.</p>
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<p>I think Cheney wants unfettered access to Iraqi oil. I think that he thinks Iran threatens unfettered <strike>U.S./</strike>Halliburton/Exxon access to Iraqi oil. Besides which, Iran has a bunch of oil of its own, mostly in the Iranian southwest, adjacent to Iraq. So he probably wants to re-open the Iran-Iraq war in order to grab the oil-rich parts of Iran, then bomb the rest of Iran back into the stone age so that it presents no interference to <strike>American </strike> Halliburton’s exploitation of Iraqi-Iranian oil for decades.</p>
<p>But of course that’s all wild-eyed speculation. </p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cheney might be getting punked by anti-stupid-war actors in the intelligence and defense communities.  Not necessarily limited to the US.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney might be getting punked by anti-stupid-war actors in the intelligence and defense communities.  Not necessarily limited to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, given Cheney’s obsession with Iran, I’ve sometimes wondered whether he was one of the prime ‘negotiators’ with the Iranians to keep those US hostages in 1980 until after the US elections.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is he trying to destroy in Iran that is such a big, dark secret?&lt;br /&gt;
Color me confused.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, given Cheney’s obsession with Iran, I’ve sometimes wondered whether he was one of the prime ‘negotiators’ with the Iranians to keep those US hostages in 1980 until after the US elections.</p>
<p>What is he trying to destroy in Iran that is such a big, dark secret?<br />
Color me confused.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Image provenance is important to ferret out accurately.&lt;br /&gt;
** If the image was shot on film, then tampering with it is a fair amount of work.&lt;br /&gt;
** If it’s a digital image, then it’s easy to alter; pictures of ‘fuel rods’ and ‘reactor parts’ can be dropped in a series of ‘layers’ (like a cake); each individual layer can then be moved and shifted to produce the desired final ‘composite’ image.  (Hollywood and ad agencies do this all day long, all over the globe).&lt;br /&gt;
** Anyone interested can search ‘Photoshop layers’ or go here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlWfZeyvk9Y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlWfZeyvk9Y&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Video is more work to doctor, but it’s the same technology Hollywood uses to make ‘The Mummy’ or ‘the Bee Movie’ or anything that has special animated effects.  (Game developers do this kind of thing all day long.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the BushCheney administration isn’t willing to provide the IAEA with the **&lt;strong&gt;original&lt;/strong&gt; photos and video** for forensic analysis, then the images should be assumed to be bogus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——————–&lt;br /&gt;
Add’l timeline items for klynn:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– US aircraft carrier buildups in the MidEast (current)&lt;br /&gt;
– Five Internet/phone cables in the Med were cut in recent months.&lt;br /&gt;
– BushCheney got Fallon out of the way &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; put their special gofer Petraeus in charge.&lt;br /&gt;
– BushCheney claim to have ‘proof’ of nuclear buildup that they refuse to show the IAEA, because of ’spies’ (coming from the same crew that outed Valerie Plame, it’s a bit ironic, but whatever…)&lt;br /&gt;
– BushCheney have now had enough time to ‘institutionally sanitize’ the NIE that the Spooks Released Suddenly last November.  Their newly sanitized, newly ‘refined’ NIE version enables them to reclaim the  ‘caussus belli’ they lost last November.&lt;br /&gt;
– Time is running out for BushCheney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is starting to reek.&lt;br /&gt;
Is Cheney being punked by the Israelis? or Putin? or Iran? or China?&lt;br /&gt;
He’s being punked by someone.  Who?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Image provenance is important to ferret out accurately.<br />
** If the image was shot on film, then tampering with it is a fair amount of work.<br />
** If it’s a digital image, then it’s easy to alter; pictures of ‘fuel rods’ and ‘reactor parts’ can be dropped in a series of ‘layers’ (like a cake); each individual layer can then be moved and shifted to produce the desired final ‘composite’ image.  (Hollywood and ad agencies do this all day long, all over the globe).<br />
** Anyone interested can search ‘Photoshop layers’ or go here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlWfZeyvk9Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlWfZeyvk9Y</a></p>
<p>Video is more work to doctor, but it’s the same technology Hollywood uses to make ‘The Mummy’ or ‘the Bee Movie’ or anything that has special animated effects.  (Game developers do this kind of thing all day long.)</p>
<p>If the BushCheney administration isn’t willing to provide the IAEA with the **<strong>original</strong> photos and video** for forensic analysis, then the images should be assumed to be bogus.</p>
<p>——————–<br />
Add’l timeline items for klynn:</p>
<p>– US aircraft carrier buildups in the MidEast (current)<br />
– Five Internet/phone cables in the Med were cut in recent months.<br />
– BushCheney got Fallon out of the way <em>and</em> put their special gofer Petraeus in charge.<br />
– BushCheney claim to have ‘proof’ of nuclear buildup that they refuse to show the IAEA, because of ’spies’ (coming from the same crew that outed Valerie Plame, it’s a bit ironic, but whatever…)<br />
– BushCheney have now had enough time to ‘institutionally sanitize’ the NIE that the Spooks Released Suddenly last November.  Their newly sanitized, newly ‘refined’ NIE version enables them to reclaim the  ‘caussus belli’ they lost last November.<br />
– Time is running out for BushCheney.</p>
<p>This is starting to reek.<br />
Is Cheney being punked by the Israelis? or Putin? or Iran? or China?<br />
He’s being punked by someone.  Who?</p>
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