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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amended Semi-Wild-Assed-Guess (totally hypothetical):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Huge Israeli Political Influence/Spy-Ring Uncovered 2003/2004&lt;br /&gt;
- Israel extorts Bush with NYT NSA Wiretapping Story throughout 2004&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quid: Bush wants Wiretapping Story ’sat on’ until he’s Re-Elected, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;pro…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israelis Claim Secret Agreement With U.S. by Glen Kessler @WaPo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042303128.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&amp;sub=AR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....038;sub=AR&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“A letter that President Bush personally delivered to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon four years ago has emerged as a significant obstacle to the president’s efforts to forge a peace deal between the Israelis and Palestinians during his last year in office. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ehud Olmert, the current Israeli prime minister, said this week that Bush’s letter gave the Jewish state permission to expand the West Bank settlements that it hopes to retain in a final peace deal, even though Bush’s peace plan officially calls for a freeze of Israeli settlements across Palestinian territories on the West Bank. In an interview this week, Sharon’s chief of staff, Dov Weissglas, said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reaffirmed this understanding in a secret agreement reached between Israel and the United States in the spring of 2005, just before Israel withdrew from Gaza. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;U.S. officials say no such agreement exists…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(snip)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Israelis wanted to build more settlements, and what did Bush do?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Israelis invaded Lebanon, and what did Bush do?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Israelis bombed Syria, and what did Bush do?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In every case, Bush did What the Israelis wanted him to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, while it may be that Bush was susceptible to extortion over the NSA Wiretapping story, it seems even more likely that the Punishment-for-Non-Compliance Fist was/is likely to be holding Pictures of Personal/Shameful, Non-Presidential Conduct…a lot worse than…wait for it…that whipping boy for all things shameful to Goopers…Bill Clinton.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Abramoff getting ‘Country Club’ treatment? Why not? In this scenario - totally hypothetical, but possible - Abramoff would be a hostage, more like a captured Spy, and not just a ‘corrupt’ lobbyist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, Abramoff doesn’t seem to be a very leverageable hostage, though, as Bush appears to have been compromised so badly that Chimpy is ‘giving it up’ on command…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying, I’m just saying…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amended Semi-Wild-Assed-Guess (totally hypothetical):</p>
<p>- Huge Israeli Political Influence/Spy-Ring Uncovered 2003/2004<br />
- Israel extorts Bush with NYT NSA Wiretapping Story throughout 2004</p>
<p>Quid: Bush wants Wiretapping Story ’sat on’ until he’s Re-Elected, </p>
<p>pro…</p>
<p>Israelis Claim Secret Agreement With U.S. by Glen Kessler @WaPo</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042303128.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&amp;sub=AR" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..038;sub=AR</a></p>
<p>“A letter that President Bush personally delivered to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon four years ago has emerged as a significant obstacle to the president’s efforts to forge a peace deal between the Israelis and Palestinians during his last year in office. </p>
<p>Ehud Olmert, the current Israeli prime minister, said this week that Bush’s letter gave the Jewish state permission to expand the West Bank settlements that it hopes to retain in a final peace deal, even though Bush’s peace plan officially calls for a freeze of Israeli settlements across Palestinian territories on the West Bank. In an interview this week, Sharon’s chief of staff, Dov Weissglas, said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reaffirmed this understanding in a secret agreement reached between Israel and the United States in the spring of 2005, just before Israel withdrew from Gaza. </p>
<p>U.S. officials say no such agreement exists…”</p>
<p>(snip)</p>
<p>So…</p>
<p>The Israelis wanted to build more settlements, and what did Bush do?</p>
<p>The Israelis invaded Lebanon, and what did Bush do?</p>
<p>The Israelis bombed Syria, and what did Bush do?</p>
<p>In every case, Bush did What the Israelis wanted him to do.</p>
<p>So, while it may be that Bush was susceptible to extortion over the NSA Wiretapping story, it seems even more likely that the Punishment-for-Non-Compliance Fist was/is likely to be holding Pictures of Personal/Shameful, Non-Presidential Conduct…a lot worse than…wait for it…that whipping boy for all things shameful to Goopers…Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>Abramoff getting ‘Country Club’ treatment? Why not? In this scenario &#8211; totally hypothetical, but possible &#8211; Abramoff would be a hostage, more like a captured Spy, and not just a ‘corrupt’ lobbyist.</p>
<p>However, Abramoff doesn’t seem to be a very leverageable hostage, though, as Bush appears to have been compromised so badly that Chimpy is ‘giving it up’ on command…</p>
<p>I’m not saying, I’m just saying…</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT — NPR just reports that Miami US Attorney’s office announces it will re-try the Sear’s Tower wannabe “al-Quada bombers” for the third time.  Defense Attorney asks for bail for defendants, as they have been in jail for two years, and two trials. Wonder if anyone has popped for shoes yet?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT — NPR just reports that Miami US Attorney’s office announces it will re-try the Sear’s Tower wannabe “al-Quada bombers” for the third time.  Defense Attorney asks for bail for defendants, as they have been in jail for two years, and two trials. Wonder if anyone has popped for shoes yet?</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Precisely, to coin a phrase.  Angleton’s pal would be Kim Philby, one of the four known Cambridge Spies and the most successful but for its leader, Anthony Blunt.  A cousin of the queen, Blunt was outed (in more ways than one) but kept under wraps for twenty-five years, during which he curated the queen’s paintings instead of her intelligence secrets.  There’s a famous phrase these four used to bandy about, about they’re hoping that if they had to choose between queen and country and their friends, they’d choose their friends.  Substitute GOP for “friends”, and you have the Bush administration.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely, to coin a phrase.  Angleton’s pal would be Kim Philby, one of the four known Cambridge Spies and the most successful but for its leader, Anthony Blunt.  A cousin of the queen, Blunt was outed (in more ways than one) but kept under wraps for twenty-five years, during which he curated the queen’s paintings instead of her intelligence secrets.  There’s a famous phrase these four used to bandy about, about they’re hoping that if they had to choose between queen and country and their friends, they’d choose their friends.  Substitute GOP for “friends”, and you have the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I looked up the career of James Jesus Angleton (don’t ask) and concluded that he was deeply involved in setting up Mosad and part of the reason was it turned out his close Brit pal was a mole and he felt he couldn’t trust his own people and he could get the Israelis to do his dirty work. Angelton was the “mother of the CIA”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Boy, what a house of mirrors that is. Wander around there for a while and you lose all sense of bearings about what is real and what isn’t, who you can trust (nobody) and who you can’t (everyone). I get vertigo just thinking about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I looked up the career of James Jesus Angleton (don’t ask) and concluded that he was deeply involved in setting up Mosad and part of the reason was it turned out his close Brit pal was a mole and he felt he couldn’t trust his own people and he could get the Israelis to do his dirty work. Angelton was the “mother of the CIA”</p>
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<p>Boy, what a house of mirrors that is. Wander around there for a while and you lose all sense of bearings about what is real and what isn’t, who you can trust (nobody) and who you can’t (everyone). I get vertigo just thinking about it.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the more recent articles in the MSM about the trial and investigation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Check out the title of this article “Trial to Offer Look at World of Information Trading”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How low will the New York Times go redefining “spying” and treason?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/washington/03aipac.html?_r=2&amp;sq=weissman&amp;st=nyt&amp;scp=1&amp;adxnnlx=1204661468-cMqi89ycq54xuseTTjXzeA&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03.....wanted=all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Lowell and John Nassikas III, who represents Mr. Weissman, plan to confront Ms. Rice and the other witnesses with explicit examples of exchanges in which they provided similar sensitive information to Aipac staff members as part of the regular back-channel world of diplomacy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although Aipac has not been charged in the case, the trial, to be heard by Judge T. S. Ellis III, will revolve around how the group, renowned for its effectiveness in presenting Israel’s case, exerts its influence in Congress and, especially in recent years, on the executive branch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For Aipac and to some extent the larger pro-Israel community in the United States, the charges against Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman could raise what they regard as an unfair, even toxic question about whether some American Jews hold a loyalty to Israel that matches or exceeds their loyalty to the United States.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the more recent articles in the MSM about the trial and investigation.</p>
<p>Check out the title of this article “Trial to Offer Look at World of Information Trading”</p>
<p>How low will the New York Times go redefining “spying” and treason?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/washington/03aipac.html?_r=2&amp;sq=weissman&amp;st=nyt&amp;scp=1&amp;adxnnlx=1204661468-cMqi89ycq54xuseTTjXzeA&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03&#8230;..wanted=all</a></p>
<p>Mr. Lowell and John Nassikas III, who represents Mr. Weissman, plan to confront Ms. Rice and the other witnesses with explicit examples of exchanges in which they provided similar sensitive information to Aipac staff members as part of the regular back-channel world of diplomacy. </p>
<p>Although Aipac has not been charged in the case, the trial, to be heard by Judge T. S. Ellis III, will revolve around how the group, renowned for its effectiveness in presenting Israel’s case, exerts its influence in Congress and, especially in recent years, on the executive branch.</p>
<p>For Aipac and to some extent the larger pro-Israel community in the United States, the charges against Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman could raise what they regard as an unfair, even toxic question about whether some American Jews hold a loyalty to Israel that matches or exceeds their loyalty to the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Justin Raimando at antiwar.com has written about the Aipac espionage trial more than anyone that I am aware of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He has quite the archive on trial and investigation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12718&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12718&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin Raimando at antiwar.com has written about the Aipac espionage trial more than anyone that I am aware of.</p>
<p>He has quite the archive on trial and investigation.<br />
<a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12718" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12718</a></p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yep.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is it News Follow Up?  I have linked that to this site numerous times.  There are some funky statements on that site, but the timeline is worthwhile&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it News Follow Up?  I have linked that to this site numerous times.  There are some funky statements on that site, but the timeline is worthwhile</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not sure if you “disagree” with the “business as usual” comment or that the “American public will barely notice” if this trial is dismissed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EW while I do not question your integrity I do question this comment.  “Thing is there still is a rule of law in this country”.  Really?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where?  We have watched the Bush administration get away with murder, the destruction of the constitution, Libby pardon, wiretapping, dismissal of Federal Judges etc etc.  The American public knows that generally there is  a justice system for the peasants and a justice system for the insiders and well connected. Although Abramoff, Conrad Black, Cunningham are good examples of some insider justice taking place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you think it is more “radical” to access classify documents and give them to a foreign nation.  Or more “radical” to reinterpret espionage laws?  And who has said that this is a “radical” reinterpretation of those espionage laws?  Rosen and Weismmans attorneys?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do Judges always play by the rules? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ag&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if you “disagree” with the “business as usual” comment or that the “American public will barely notice” if this trial is dismissed.</p>
<p>EW while I do not question your integrity I do question this comment.  “Thing is there still is a rule of law in this country”.  Really?</p>
<p>where?  We have watched the Bush administration get away with murder, the destruction of the constitution, Libby pardon, wiretapping, dismissal of Federal Judges etc etc.  The American public knows that generally there is  a justice system for the peasants and a justice system for the insiders and well connected. Although Abramoff, Conrad Black, Cunningham are good examples of some insider justice taking place.</p>
<p>Do you think it is more “radical” to access classify documents and give them to a foreign nation.  Or more “radical” to reinterpret espionage laws?  And who has said that this is a “radical” reinterpretation of those espionage laws?  Rosen and Weismmans attorneys?  </p>
<p>Do Judges always play by the rules? </p>
<p>ag</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you thought of a timeline for this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just came across a bit of a “tin hat” site that has an amazing timeline on this, a site dedicated to “Franklingate”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d post a link but I do not want to “muddy” the quality of your post and the comments… Should I email a link for you to look at?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW,</p>
<p>Have you thought of a timeline for this?</p>
<p>I just came across a bit of a “tin hat” site that has an amazing timeline on this, a site dedicated to “Franklingate”.</p>
<p>I’d post a link but I do not want to “muddy” the quality of your post and the comments… Should I email a link for you to look at?</p>
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