Comments on: DanA to TurdB: Yes, I Recognize Cheap Parsing When I See It http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:35:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65590 readerOfTeaLeaves Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:58:46 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65590 <p>Yeah, and look how well that special training worked out ;-))<br /> [<em>wickedly</em>]<br /> Here’s hoping Karl takes a few tutorials at that same training program… [/<em>wickedly</em>]</p> <p>—<br /> OT - whiny, self-indulgent, self-pity follows…</p> <p>Wow, I haven’t even had time to read the next thread…! Soooo many comments 8-0<br /> It’s lovely that EW is all famous and everything now, but the charming, quiet old days at TNH, when I could keep up most days were a wonderful luxury.</p> <p>And yes, this lament is completely selfish; I’m no saint, and I’m quite fond of my EW addiction…. It’s nice she has so many readers, but yikies, it’s not possible for this ‘old timer’ to keep up (!)</p> Yeah, and look how well that special training worked out ;-))
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Here’s hoping Karl takes a few tutorials at that same training program… [/wickedly]

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OT – whiny, self-indulgent, self-pity follows…

Wow, I haven’t even had time to read the next thread…! Soooo many comments 8-0
It’s lovely that EW is all famous and everything now, but the charming, quiet old days at TNH, when I could keep up most days were a wonderful luxury.

And yes, this lament is completely selfish; I’m no saint, and I’m quite fond of my EW addiction…. It’s nice she has so many readers, but yikies, it’s not possible for this ‘old timer’ to keep up (!)

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65567 bmaz Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:19:06 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65567 <p>Actually, they put Gonzales through days, if not weeks, of <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402614.html" rel="nofollow">training</a> before he started appearing before Congress.</p> Actually, they put Gonzales through days, if not weeks, of training before he started appearing before Congress.

]]> By: Pat2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65562 Pat2 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:28:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65562 <p>Thanks for the kind words — I thought the same thing back when Alberto Gonzales was testifying; he repeatedly answered, “I do not recall.”</p> <p>Not “I <em></em>cannot<em></em> recall,” which speaks to ability, but<br /> “I <em></em>do not<em></em> recall,” which addresses only what he is doing at the moment.</p> <p>Made me crazy then; makes me crazy knowing they probably offer Regent-Exchange classes in this technique.</p> Thanks for the kind words — I thought the same thing back when Alberto Gonzales was testifying; he repeatedly answered, “I do not recall.”

Not “I cannot recall,” which speaks to ability, but
“I do not recall,” which addresses only what he is doing at the moment.

Made me crazy then; makes me crazy knowing they probably offer Regent-Exchange classes in this technique.

]]> By: Treesong http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65553 Treesong Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:29:52 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65553 <p>perris–”<br /> Re “preaching to the quire.” Amazingly, “quire” is actually a word, so an erudite spell-check program would have let it pass. But it ha to do with folded paper…. Or is this some new denomination?</p> perris–”
Re “preaching to the quire.” Amazingly, “quire” is actually a word, so an erudite spell-check program would have let it pass. But it ha to do with folded paper…. Or is this some new denomination?

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65542 readerOfTeaLeaves Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:55:42 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65542 <p>It was almost as if Rove spilled his entrails onto fancy stationary and mailed them off to Dan Abrams.</p> <p>Then Abrams, like some ancient Oracle Reader, looked at them and went, “Interresting… verrry interrresting… we have FearOfTestifyingUnderOath, we have AttemptedDeflectionByInsult, we have AttemptedSmearByImplication…”</p> <p>Pat @22 hit a bulls-eye, IMHO.<br /> Karl has been able to remain in the parse-created world of illusion and innuendo because people didn’t parse their questions finely enough; so he saw infintestimally small gaps, as Pat points out, and then he squirmed through one tiny gap after another (the way a rat can squeeze through a hole size of a dime).</p> <p>Abrams seems to have watched earlier press errors, and he’s bringing his legal training to the reporting sphere. That seems to be scaring the entrails out of Rove. </p> <p>Which is, evidently, how Abrams got such a good look at them.<br /> Game on.</p> It was almost as if Rove spilled his entrails onto fancy stationary and mailed them off to Dan Abrams.

Then Abrams, like some ancient Oracle Reader, looked at them and went, “Interresting… verrry interrresting… we have FearOfTestifyingUnderOath, we have AttemptedDeflectionByInsult, we have AttemptedSmearByImplication…”

Pat @22 hit a bulls-eye, IMHO.
Karl has been able to remain in the parse-created world of illusion and innuendo because people didn’t parse their questions finely enough; so he saw infintestimally small gaps, as Pat points out, and then he squirmed through one tiny gap after another (the way a rat can squeeze through a hole size of a dime).

Abrams seems to have watched earlier press errors, and he’s bringing his legal training to the reporting sphere. That seems to be scaring the entrails out of Rove.

Which is, evidently, how Abrams got such a good look at them.
Game on.

]]> By: Pat2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65487 Pat2 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:36:15 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65487 <p>Wonder how that increased “family time” is workin’ out for Mr. Rove, his wife and their college-attending son.</p> Wonder how that increased “family time” is workin’ out for Mr. Rove, his wife and their college-attending son.

]]> By: behindthefall http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65461 behindthefall Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:59:55 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65461 <p>Just in passing, serial publication is coming back as novels presented as podcasts you subscribe to. I could see the letters being read with commentary — something much like this post — and being put out there as a sequence of MP3 files. It’s all kinda DIY at the moment, but a few hundred projects are available. Does an end run around agents and publishers.</p> Just in passing, serial publication is coming back as novels presented as podcasts you subscribe to. I could see the letters being read with commentary — something much like this post — and being put out there as a sequence of MP3 files. It’s all kinda DIY at the moment, but a few hundred projects are available. Does an end run around agents and publishers.

]]> By: lilysmom http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65454 lilysmom Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:49:17 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65454 <p>Great idea perris, but it is tough to crash the gate when conservative, Republican leaning owners and editors control the very access to the gate.</p> <p><strong>It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.- Upton Sinclair</strong><em></em></p> Great idea perris, but it is tough to crash the gate when conservative, Republican leaning owners and editors control the very access to the gate.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.- Upton Sinclair

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65448 earlofhuntingdon Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:39:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65448 <p>I do rather like Dan Abrams point 6. Rove is throwing up a fraternity toilet full of defenses and distractions, hoping a few stick. If he’s ever hauled into court, we may finally learn that Karl’s skills are limited to PR and dirty tricks and that his lies, contradictions and half-truths are built on a foundation of cynicism and deception. </p> <p>If so, the Villagers will rend their garments and sit shiva, and yet the earth will be bountiful. In a less peaceful analogy, it would be like stopping a pirate curse and allowing peaceful commerce to return to our shores and the hallways of government. At least until the next Karl Klone comes along, which is one reason the Constitution is built around that pesky idea of the separation of powers.</p> I do rather like Dan Abrams point 6. Rove is throwing up a fraternity toilet full of defenses and distractions, hoping a few stick. If he’s ever hauled into court, we may finally learn that Karl’s skills are limited to PR and dirty tricks and that his lies, contradictions and half-truths are built on a foundation of cynicism and deception.

If so, the Villagers will rend their garments and sit shiva, and yet the earth will be bountiful. In a less peaceful analogy, it would be like stopping a pirate curse and allowing peaceful commerce to return to our shores and the hallways of government. At least until the next Karl Klone comes along, which is one reason the Constitution is built around that pesky idea of the separation of powers.

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/comment-page-1/#comment-65442 earlofhuntingdon Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:25:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/21/dana-to-turdb-yes-i-recognize-cheap-parsing-when-i-see-it/#comment-65442 <p>It’ll be interesting to watch Rove squirm and parse ever more weakly as his direct influence in Washington diminishes. He retains bases in several states, Texas and Alabama most prominent among them, and he has several CongressCritters <strike>on his payroll</strike> in his client base, but he will face an antagonist White House, relieved and uncooperative bureaucracy and growingly other-focused Congress. Only the Villagers and those sponsoring their increasingly costly Wingnut Welfare will remain on his side, as they continue to marvel at his prescience and fraud.</p> <p>Karl will have to turn his attention to building new clients - corporations among them? - while fending off repeated inquiries and, let’s hope, finally a proper DOJ investigation. That might distract even the famously focused Karl enough to let sunlight shine through into his coffin.</p> It’ll be interesting to watch Rove squirm and parse ever more weakly as his direct influence in Washington diminishes. He retains bases in several states, Texas and Alabama most prominent among them, and he has several CongressCritters on his payroll in his client base, but he will face an antagonist White House, relieved and uncooperative bureaucracy and growingly other-focused Congress. Only the Villagers and those sponsoring their increasingly costly Wingnut Welfare will remain on his side, as they continue to marvel at his prescience and fraud.

Karl will have to turn his attention to building new clients – corporations among them? – while fending off repeated inquiries and, let’s hope, finally a proper DOJ investigation. That might distract even the famously focused Karl enough to let sunlight shine through into his coffin.

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