Comments on: Lyglenson Lemorin and the Liberty Seven http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:42:04 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: masaccio http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64755 masaccio Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:44:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64755 <p>In case no one has answered this question, here is a <a href="http://www.lawandsecurity.org/publications/TTRCComplete.pdf" rel="nofollow">report</a> on the terrorist trials.(pdf). Here is a summary:</p> <p>Current Status of All Charges<br /> (1007 Total Charges; 104 Total Statutes)</p> <p>pending 329<br /> acquitted or dismissed 233<br /> guilty 445</p> <p>Bullet points:<br /> 29%<br /> Conviction rate in prosecutions for<br /> federal crimes of terrorism</p> <p>17.2 years<br /> Average sentence for individuals<br /> convicted of and sentenced for<br /> federal crimes of terrorism</p> <p>4.25 years<br /> Average sentence for all individuals<br /> convicted and sentenced in cases<br /> initially announced as terrorism cases</p> <p>104<br /> Total number of separate criminal<br /> charges used to indict alleged<br /> terrorists</p> <p>12%<br /> Proportion of terrorism cases that<br /> involved WMDs (the definition of<br /> which includes bombs, grenades,<br /> other explosives, and poison gasses)</p> <p>0<br /> Number of people affiliated with<br /> any radical Islamic group who have<br /> been charged with plotting to use<br /> chemical, biological, radiological, or<br /> nuclear weapons</p> In case no one has answered this question, here is a report on the terrorist trials.(pdf). Here is a summary:

Current Status of All Charges
(1007 Total Charges; 104 Total Statutes)

pending 329
acquitted or dismissed 233
guilty 445

Bullet points:
29%
Conviction rate in prosecutions for
federal crimes of terrorism

17.2 years
Average sentence for individuals
convicted of and sentenced for
federal crimes of terrorism

4.25 years
Average sentence for all individuals
convicted and sentenced in cases
initially announced as terrorism cases

104
Total number of separate criminal
charges used to indict alleged
terrorists

12%
Proportion of terrorism cases that
involved WMDs (the definition of
which includes bombs, grenades,
other explosives, and poison gasses)

0
Number of people affiliated with
any radical Islamic group who have
been charged with plotting to use
chemical, biological, radiological, or
nuclear weapons

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64732 bmaz Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:52:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64732 <p>Here is <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0410081polygamy1.html" rel="nofollow">one of the affidavits</a>, I believe there is at least one more. To my knowledge, this is the initial one.</p> Here is one of the affidavits, I believe there is at least one more. To my knowledge, this is the initial one.

]]> By: maryo2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64727 maryo2 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:09:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64727 <p>I called the County Clerk’s office, they said it is handled in the District Court. I emailed District Clerk Sheri Woodfin to ask where I can find the affidavit.</p> <p><a href="http://www.co.tom-green.tx.us/distclrk/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.co.tom-green.tx.us/distclrk/index.html</a></p> I called the County Clerk’s office, they said it is handled in the District Court. I emailed District Clerk Sheri Woodfin to ask where I can find the affidavit.

http://www.co.tom-green.tx.us/distclrk/index.html

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64689 bmaz Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:31:35 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64689 <p>General rule is that affidavits must be filed in the issuing court within ten days of their execution; so you would have to check with the clerk of that county court. They are a public record unless sealed for some reason by the court. The “declarant” is almost always a law enforcement officer who relates the facts and circumstances known to him. The witness bit can be the court clerk, judge, notary etc.; whatever, the reason for a witness is because the affidavit must be made sworn under oath and penalty of perjury.</p> General rule is that affidavits must be filed in the issuing court within ten days of their execution; so you would have to check with the clerk of that county court. They are a public record unless sealed for some reason by the court. The “declarant” is almost always a law enforcement officer who relates the facts and circumstances known to him. The witness bit can be the court clerk, judge, notary etc.; whatever, the reason for a witness is because the affidavit must be made sworn under oath and penalty of perjury.

]]> By: Hmmm http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64684 Hmmm Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:15:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64684 <blockquote><p>“I have had a good informant who has given me good information over the past four years,” Doran says. “This person has been assisting us as we’ve gone forward on this operation.”</p></blockquote> <p>I don’t know what else the Sheriff has said, but that particular quote doesn’t say the informant was on the inside of the compound. Maybe the informant was on the inside of the Administration, either claiming to have a contact inside the compound — or else making representations about what was going on inside the compound based on surveillance. Maybe electronic surveillance? Maybe hoovering?</p>

“I have had a good informant who has given me good information over the past four years,” Doran says. “This person has been assisting us as we’ve gone forward on this operation.”

I don’t know what else the Sheriff has said, but that particular quote doesn’t say the informant was on the inside of the compound. Maybe the informant was on the inside of the Administration, either claiming to have a contact inside the compound — or else making representations about what was going on inside the compound based on surveillance. Maybe electronic surveillance? Maybe hoovering?

]]> By: JTMinIA http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64660 JTMinIA Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:37:07 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64660 <p>Actually, I found that quite annoying.</p> Actually, I found that quite annoying.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64652 looseheadprop Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:18:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64652 <blockquote><p>Then the plot itself, it was real, was so impractical, involving mixing chemicals on a plane.</p></blockquote> <p> It’s not a Mr. Science kinda mixing of chemicals, it more like a making Neslte Quick kinda mixing of chemicals or like mixing Baking soda and vinegar. It’s not that hard</p>

Then the plot itself, it was real, was so impractical, involving mixing chemicals on a plane.

It’s not a Mr. Science kinda mixing of chemicals, it more like a making Neslte Quick kinda mixing of chemicals or like mixing Baking soda and vinegar. It’s not that hard

]]> By: maryo2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64651 maryo2 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:15:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64651 <p>This is heart lifting and relates to the thread topic.</p> <p><a href="http://rattube.com/blog1/2008/04/17/fox-news-gets-owned-by-pro-wright-priest/" rel="nofollow">http://rattube.com/blog1/2008/.....ht-priest/</a></p> This is heart lifting and relates to the thread topic.

http://rattube.com/blog1/2008/…..ht-priest/

]]> By: looseheadprop http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64650 looseheadprop Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:15:24 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64650 <blockquote><p>How many successful trials has the US had against accused terrorists? I think it’s zero, isn’t it? </p></blockquote> <p>Actually, When mary Jo White was US Attoreny in DSNY and Dave Kelley and Pat Fitzgerald were co-chiefs (and founders) of SDNY’s counter terro unit, quite a few convictions. The first WTC bombing, Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, The day of Terror Plot, the Bridge and Tunnel plot (Abdel Rachmann)and more</p>

How many successful trials has the US had against accused terrorists? I think it’s zero, isn’t it?

Actually, When mary Jo White was US Attoreny in DSNY and Dave Kelley and Pat Fitzgerald were co-chiefs (and founders) of SDNY’s counter terro unit, quite a few convictions. The first WTC bombing, Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, The day of Terror Plot, the Bridge and Tunnel plot (Abdel Rachmann)and more

]]> By: maryo2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-64648 maryo2 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:12:09 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/lyglenson-lemorin-and-the-liberty-seven/#comment-64648 <p>Also, I don’t think Mr. Eager Sheriff was supposed to tell us that he had an inside source for four years. After he said that (some period of time, how much, enough for DOJ to call him??), he backtracked and said that he wouldn’t tell us if his source was at Texes, Colorado or Arizona.</p> <p>Why would a Texas sheriff, locally elected at the county level, have an inside source reporting to him about happenings in Arizona or Colorado? </p> <p>And if his source was in CO or AZ, then does this line add up - “I have had a good informant who has given me good information over the past four years,” Doran says. “This person has been assisting us as we’ve gone forward on this operation.” ?</p> <p>And note this line: “State troopers put into action the plan they had on the shelf”<br /> <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/10/national/main4007724.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4007724" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....ME_4007724</a></p> Also, I don’t think Mr. Eager Sheriff was supposed to tell us that he had an inside source for four years. After he said that (some period of time, how much, enough for DOJ to call him??), he backtracked and said that he wouldn’t tell us if his source was at Texes, Colorado or Arizona.

Why would a Texas sheriff, locally elected at the county level, have an inside source reporting to him about happenings in Arizona or Colorado?

And if his source was in CO or AZ, then does this line add up – “I have had a good informant who has given me good information over the past four years,” Doran says. “This person has been assisting us as we’ve gone forward on this operation.” ?

And note this line: “State troopers put into action the plan they had on the shelf”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..ME_4007724

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