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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64808</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;O/T&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It might have been nice for Bush to discuss a global plan regarding food shortages yesterday…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Haiti, Mongolia…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is serious, there better be something ASAP…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O/T</p>
<p>It might have been nice for Bush to discuss a global plan regarding food shortages yesterday…</p>
<p>Haiti, Mongolia…</p>
<p>This is serious, there better be something ASAP…</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64805</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Obama questioner explains why she finds him annoying&lt;br /&gt;
By Margaret Talev &#124; McClatchy Newspapers 4/17&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON — Nash McCabe is the voter from Wednesday night’s presidential debate who noted that Barack Obama doesn’t usually wear a flag pin and asked, “I want to know if you believe in the American flag.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ABC, which hosted the debate, had tracked her down after she was quoted in a New York Times story about white voters in small-town Latrobe, Pa., revealing her as 52, out of work and against Obama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama questioner explains why she finds him annoying<br />
By Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers 4/17</p>
<p>WASHINGTON — Nash McCabe is the voter from Wednesday night’s presidential debate who noted that Barack Obama doesn’t usually wear a flag pin and asked, “I want to know if you believe in the American flag.”</p>
<p>ABC, which hosted the debate, had tracked her down after she was quoted in a New York Times story about white voters in small-town Latrobe, Pa., revealing her as 52, out of work and against Obama.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64782</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;** OT Warning! **&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thx for your kind words about Safeco Field.  And I know the rationale for building stadiums has always been that they bring in more revenue than they cost, but that’s not always proven to be the case; much rests on the ticket sales, performance of the team, etc….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Due to rapid population growth, plus aging outdated facilities in this region, we have too many urgent needs that are more important than a basketball stadium.  Nevertheless, I understand that a group of ‘investors’ has been quietly making inroads with state legislators to make an end-run around citizen opposition.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part of the citizen opposition is resentment and frustration with huge infrastructure backlogs — especially for transportation (as you no doubt observed!).  Also, as the cost of pro ticket sales have climbed out of reach for more and more people, it’s just harder to get public support  to spend money for stadium where families can’t (or won’t) afford to attend games.  Like other pro sports, they all seem to claim that ‘corporate ticket sales’ will solve this problem.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The number of ‘corporate seats’ in all stadiums has increased, and Safeco was designed with corporate seating in mind.  That’s helped it financially, in addition to the long baseball season (which makes it more profitable for vendors and restaurants).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Believe it or not, the energy required to move that roof on Safeco field is almost absurdly small; about the same as turning on a lightbulb, IIRC — which is a huge consideration over the life cycle of the building.  (I got a tour and got to see it move; it’s amazing how well that sliding roof works, and how little electricity is required to move so much weight.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Safeco Field is not a state building, but FWIW, I’ll note that any building constructed by Washington State must now meet newly raised energy and environmental environmental standards over the life cycle of the building.  That is making for some really interesting, energy efficient, new construction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just think what opportunities the federal government is missing (!).&lt;br /&gt;
There’s some really wonderful architectural design being driven by the new state energy requirements, and it seems to be giving several local firms an advantage in contracting for work outside the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** OT Warning! **</p>
<p>Thx for your kind words about Safeco Field.  And I know the rationale for building stadiums has always been that they bring in more revenue than they cost, but that’s not always proven to be the case; much rests on the ticket sales, performance of the team, etc….</p>
<p>Due to rapid population growth, plus aging outdated facilities in this region, we have too many urgent needs that are more important than a basketball stadium.  Nevertheless, I understand that a group of ‘investors’ has been quietly making inroads with state legislators to make an end-run around citizen opposition.  </p>
<p>Part of the citizen opposition is resentment and frustration with huge infrastructure backlogs — especially for transportation (as you no doubt observed!).  Also, as the cost of pro ticket sales have climbed out of reach for more and more people, it’s just harder to get public support  to spend money for stadium where families can’t (or won’t) afford to attend games.  Like other pro sports, they all seem to claim that ‘corporate ticket sales’ will solve this problem.  </p>
<p>The number of ‘corporate seats’ in all stadiums has increased, and Safeco was designed with corporate seating in mind.  That’s helped it financially, in addition to the long baseball season (which makes it more profitable for vendors and restaurants).</p>
<p>Believe it or not, the energy required to move that roof on Safeco field is almost absurdly small; about the same as turning on a lightbulb, IIRC — which is a huge consideration over the life cycle of the building.  (I got a tour and got to see it move; it’s amazing how well that sliding roof works, and how little electricity is required to move so much weight.)</p>
<p>Safeco Field is not a state building, but FWIW, I’ll note that any building constructed by Washington State must now meet newly raised energy and environmental environmental standards over the life cycle of the building.  That is making for some really interesting, energy efficient, new construction.</p>
<p>Just think what opportunities the federal government is missing (!).<br />
There’s some really wonderful architectural design being driven by the new state energy requirements, and it seems to be giving several local firms an advantage in contracting for work outside the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64756</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stephanopolis=Blond Barbies and Kens at Fox Noise.  George wouldn’t know what is at the front of the voters’ minds if it bit him in the ass. Stephie misquoted the NIE and doesn’t know it to this moment, and sunk to a new low as an errand boy for Right Wing media as Hannity and Krautheimer fed him questions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true.</p>
<p>Stephanopolis=Blond Barbies and Kens at Fox Noise.  George wouldn’t know what is at the front of the voters’ minds if it bit him in the ass. Stephie misquoted the NIE and doesn’t know it to this moment, and sunk to a new low as an errand boy for Right Wing media as Hannity and Krautheimer fed him questions.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64733</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Parallel speciation, I’m afraid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parallel speciation, I’m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: rkilowatt</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64731</link>
		<dc:creator>rkilowatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Earlofhuntington @ 39&lt;br /&gt;
“That, too, may have been ABC/Fox Noise’s goal (I can no longer tell which is which.) “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Ummm, plagiarizing ending of Orwell’s “Animal Farm” ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlofhuntington @ 39<br />
“That, too, may have been ABC/Fox Noise’s goal (I can no longer tell which is which.) “</p>
<p> Ummm, plagiarizing ending of Orwell’s “Animal Farm” ?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64728</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is absolutely gorgeous, inside and out.  Could not have been built without bonds, both municipal and Barry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is absolutely gorgeous, inside and out.  Could not have been built without bonds, both municipal and Barry.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64723</link>
		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aerialarchives.com/SFPoster.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The&lt;/a&gt; . &lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/SF_Ballpark_2_CA.jpg/1200px-SF_Ballpark_2_CA.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phonebooth&lt;/a&gt; aint so bad either … the team? not so much&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.aerialarchives.com/SFPoster.jpg" rel="nofollow">The</a> . <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/SF_Ballpark_2_CA.jpg/1200px-SF_Ballpark_2_CA.jpg" rel="nofollow">Phonebooth</a> aint so bad either … the team? not so much</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, ROTL, the Rules For Booing came from driving through the Philly area while listening to their Sports-talk station, some rainy afternoon with no games going on.  In the hour I was in range, the callers and host worked their way from the host naming a player and then polling callers “‘Boo’ or ‘Cheer’”, into a graduate seminar on the Theory and Practice of Booing.  Presented by Jimmy from The Northeast, Billy from South Philadelphia, Mack from Olney and a couple other guys with Philly accents so thick you could spread them like peanut butter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, when one is in Philly, learning when and how to Boo is like learning to hail a cab or ride a subway is to a Manhattanite.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, ROTL, the Rules For Booing came from driving through the Philly area while listening to their Sports-talk station, some rainy afternoon with no games going on.  In the hour I was in range, the callers and host worked their way from the host naming a player and then polling callers “‘Boo’ or ‘Cheer’”, into a graduate seminar on the Theory and Practice of Booing.  Presented by Jimmy from The Northeast, Billy from South Philadelphia, Mack from Olney and a couple other guys with Philly accents so thick you could spread them like peanut butter.</p>
<p>Of course, when one is in Philly, learning when and how to Boo is like learning to hail a cab or ride a subway is to a Manhattanite.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/17/2035/#comment-64718</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Was not trying to be nasty; actually I am pretty sad about the whole deal.  The Sonics belong in Seattle.  We had some massive battles with the Sonics back in the early 90s, and I went to one of the playoff games up there.  The fans were great and loved their team.  I understand the public/private angst on stadium construction; we have had those battles here big time.  The deal is to make only a portion of it public backed and get it paid back quickly.  Some public involvement is fine though (contrary to what many think) because the tax revenues and benefits really do add up.  Nobody here has said a word about the financing deal on the Cardinal’s stadium since the financial whirlwind of the SuperBowl spread it’s wealth around town.  Same at the ballyard after the World Series in 2001.  All of our venues have paid off handsomely despite their massive cost.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was not trying to be nasty; actually I am pretty sad about the whole deal.  The Sonics belong in Seattle.  We had some massive battles with the Sonics back in the early 90s, and I went to one of the playoff games up there.  The fans were great and loved their team.  I understand the public/private angst on stadium construction; we have had those battles here big time.  The deal is to make only a portion of it public backed and get it paid back quickly.  Some public involvement is fine though (contrary to what many think) because the tax revenues and benefits really do add up.  Nobody here has said a word about the financing deal on the Cardinal’s stadium since the financial whirlwind of the SuperBowl spread it’s wealth around town.  Same at the ballyard after the World Series in 2001.  All of our venues have paid off handsomely despite their massive cost.</p>
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