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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63616</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Had the Libby Obstruction-Wall collapsed, Cheney was ready to fall on his sword for Bush’s vicious outing of Valerie Plame Wilson, but he can’t smother this one…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had the Libby Obstruction-Wall collapsed, Cheney was ready to fall on his sword for Bush’s vicious outing of Valerie Plame Wilson, but he can’t smother this one…</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63569</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In reviewing the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.02.07.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No Geneva Memo&lt;/a&gt;, I have to say it seems to have been written, eerily, in Bush’s familiar speech cadence, and not like Addington’s puppeted works.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This Memo looks more like it was actually written by a ’scared to death’ Gonzo - nobody else would touch it! It’s arguably a written justification/rationalization for a War Crime, or War Crimes - already committed or duly intended to be carried out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact that Bush signed this Memo himself might say a lot about whom he was willing to ‘over-rule’ to get his way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There might be other Bush-signed Memos? Stacks of Declarations of “Non-Combatant Status” signed by Bush on people like Kurnaz (sp), whom he may have been ‘too proud’ to recognize the innocence of (not to mention because it also would mean that Kurnaz would be ‘free’ to charge the Bush Administration with the War Crime of Waterboarding him,) and whom was left in Hell for a few more years, iirc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There may have been more than a few aspects of Bush’s Torture Program that nobody was willing to touch, and for whom Bush ‘had’ to put his authorizations in writing. We know the CIA, for instance, made *somebody* sign for the freight on every enhanced interrogation tactic they used on each detainee, so who knows what other ‘nuanced and complex’ issues required Smirky’s Magic “Deciderer” Wand?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With Memos like the No Geneva Memo out there - and the possiblity of others - Bush has every reason to resist Process and Oversight, out of self-interest to hide what already looks like more than sufficient probable cause for a Grand Jury Indictment on any number of Serious Charges.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wasn’t it for just this sort of *impasse* with the Executive Branch that the Constitution envisioned a tool for prying out the whole Truth, so The People could see for themselves and decide - What is the Right Thing to do in the face of these Serious Charges of Executive Misconduct?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reviewing the <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.02.07.pdf" rel="nofollow">No Geneva Memo</a>, I have to say it seems to have been written, eerily, in Bush’s familiar speech cadence, and not like Addington’s puppeted works.</p>
<p>This Memo looks more like it was actually written by a ’scared to death’ Gonzo &#8211; nobody else would touch it! It’s arguably a written justification/rationalization for a War Crime, or War Crimes &#8211; already committed or duly intended to be carried out.</p>
<p>The fact that Bush signed this Memo himself might say a lot about whom he was willing to ‘over-rule’ to get his way.</p>
<p>There might be other Bush-signed Memos? Stacks of Declarations of “Non-Combatant Status” signed by Bush on people like Kurnaz (sp), whom he may have been ‘too proud’ to recognize the innocence of (not to mention because it also would mean that Kurnaz would be ‘free’ to charge the Bush Administration with the War Crime of Waterboarding him,) and whom was left in Hell for a few more years, iirc.</p>
<p>There may have been more than a few aspects of Bush’s Torture Program that nobody was willing to touch, and for whom Bush ‘had’ to put his authorizations in writing. We know the CIA, for instance, made *somebody* sign for the freight on every enhanced interrogation tactic they used on each detainee, so who knows what other ‘nuanced and complex’ issues required Smirky’s Magic “Deciderer” Wand?</p>
<p>With Memos like the No Geneva Memo out there &#8211; and the possiblity of others &#8211; Bush has every reason to resist Process and Oversight, out of self-interest to hide what already looks like more than sufficient probable cause for a Grand Jury Indictment on any number of Serious Charges.</p>
<p>Wasn’t it for just this sort of *impasse* with the Executive Branch that the Constitution envisioned a tool for prying out the whole Truth, so The People could see for themselves and decide &#8211; What is the Right Thing to do in the face of these Serious Charges of Executive Misconduct?</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63477</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wishful thinking maybe but I would like to think what the SC has given the SC can take away.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishful thinking maybe but I would like to think what the SC has given the SC can take away.</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63475</link>
		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The revelations are coming fast and furious - but&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;a tremendous public and political fallout &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if that hasn’t happened yet, it ain’t happenin’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The revelations are coming fast and furious &#8211; but</p>
<blockquote><p>a tremendous public and political fallout </p>
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<p>if that hasn’t happened yet, it ain’t happenin’.</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That would be fun, no doubt!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be fun, no doubt!</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63470</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you, Mary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mary.</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63459</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the timing issue and watching today’s threads (i.e bootstrapping my sense of context at the feet of the masters) it seems to me that all the recent activity with regard to the positioning of the principals and players in issues around the authorization of torture pertains to the imminent possibility of an opinion adverse to the administration in &lt;em&gt;Boumediene&lt;/em&gt; which could have a tremendous public and political fallout and by the tone of the analysis at the time of the argument in Dec. seems to be a distinct possibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the timing issue and watching today’s threads (i.e bootstrapping my sense of context at the feet of the masters) it seems to me that all the recent activity with regard to the positioning of the principals and players in issues around the authorization of torture pertains to the imminent possibility of an opinion adverse to the administration in <em>Boumediene</em> which could have a tremendous public and political fallout and by the tone of the analysis at the time of the argument in Dec. seems to be a distinct possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/torture-telltale-timing/comment-page-1/#comment-63434</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LS at 20 - I seems to me that, at the very least, that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.02.07.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/a&gt; where Bush says Geneva Common Article 3 does not apply to Al Qaeda and Taliban detainees And that We will continue to treat them humanely, anyway…that Memo plus confirmation that Bush was in on the unPrincipals Meetings that didn’t just ‘green-light’ Waterboarding - they personally ordered it - those two together, imvho, equal an Impeachment Inquiry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We don’t have to treat the “unlawful combatants” humanely, but we will because we are the United States of America…now Waterboard him!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LS at 20 &#8211; I seems to me that, at the very least, that <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.02.07.pdf" rel="nofollow">Memo</a> where Bush says Geneva Common Article 3 does not apply to Al Qaeda and Taliban detainees And that We will continue to treat them humanely, anyway…that Memo plus confirmation that Bush was in on the unPrincipals Meetings that didn’t just ‘green-light’ Waterboarding &#8211; they personally ordered it &#8211; those two together, imvho, equal an Impeachment Inquiry.</p>
<p>“We don’t have to treat the “unlawful combatants” humanely, but we will because we are the United States of America…now Waterboard him!”</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;19  Because apparently the DOD is taking the position that they are the agency that “classified” a lot of the info about GITMO, etc. and so things like FBI agents complaining about something (not classified at DOJ) is “classified” if DOD says that what FBI agents were talking about it is stuff that is classified at DOD.  Also, some of the info is probably in the DoD records (like the FBI plan to ship to Egypt or Jordan for torture) that the IG needs for back up in the report.  At least, those are my guesses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19  Because apparently the DOD is taking the position that they are the agency that “classified” a lot of the info about GITMO, etc. and so things like FBI agents complaining about something (not classified at DOJ) is “classified” if DOD says that what FBI agents were talking about it is stuff that is classified at DOD.  Also, some of the info is probably in the DoD records (like the FBI plan to ship to Egypt or Jordan for torture) that the IG needs for back up in the report.  At least, those are my guesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m starting to wonder whether Fallon left not because he was forced to, but because some other force is now able to contain Team W and Team Dick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m starting to wonder whether Fallon left not because he was forced to, but because some other force is now able to contain Team W and Team Dick.</p>
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