Comments on: Remember the Torture Tapes? http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:24:25 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63540 bobschacht Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:42:19 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63540 <blockquote><p>This is ground-laying for an Impeachment Inquiry that appears to be one step away from ‘ignition.’</p> <p>Once Bush is identified as a Participant in the Principals’ Torture-Prescribing Sessions - which none of us here doubt - Congress will have no choice but to act…Decisively.</p></blockquote> <p>I really hope you are right! Dare I hope?</p> <p>Bob in HI</p>

This is ground-laying for an Impeachment Inquiry that appears to be one step away from ‘ignition.’

Once Bush is identified as a Participant in the Principals’ Torture-Prescribing Sessions – which none of us here doubt – Congress will have no choice but to act…Decisively.

I really hope you are right! Dare I hope?

Bob in HI

]]> By: MrWhy http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63500 MrWhy Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:42:26 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63500 <p>definition of <strong>murder </strong>is much clearer than <strong>“enhanced interrogation techniques”</strong> being torture. Just ask Mukasey.</p> definition of murder is much clearer than “enhanced interrogation techniques” being torture. Just ask Mukasey.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63471 bmaz Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:24:11 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63471 <p>It isn’t Yoo. No way.</p> It isn’t Yoo. No way.

]]> By: maryo2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63469 maryo2 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:18:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63469 <p>This article says she called “the shelter several times on [Saturday] March 29.” It mentions only one call on Sunday.<br /> <a href="http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/040908dntexpolygarrests.441d3545.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dentonrc.com/shared.....d3545.html</a><br /> *************</p> <p>I saw a female interviewd on tv and I read her name in an article yesterday. And today I cannot find her name or job title. I don’t know if she is the person to whom you refer. I can see how family violence shelter workers might need to keep their names and addresses out of newspapers though. An x husband just might try to kill someone if he thinks that person ruined his marriage.</p> This article says she called “the shelter several times on [Saturday] March 29.” It mentions only one call on Sunday.
http://www.dentonrc.com/shared…..d3545.html
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I saw a female interviewd on tv and I read her name in an article yesterday. And today I cannot find her name or job title. I don’t know if she is the person to whom you refer. I can see how family violence shelter workers might need to keep their names and addresses out of newspapers though. An x husband just might try to kill someone if he thinks that person ruined his marriage.

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63466 bobschacht Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:13:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63466 <p>“Lieberman: “the only people that want us to leave are the Iranians.””</p> <p>Well, I think he’s wrong about that, too. </p> <p>The Iranians <em>love</em> it that our troops are all tied up in Iraq. If they weren’t, they’d be free to send into Iran, which you know is what Cheney wants to do. </p> <p>Bob in HI</p> “Lieberman: “the only people that want us to leave are the Iranians.””

Well, I think he’s wrong about that, too.

The Iranians love it that our troops are all tied up in Iraq. If they weren’t, they’d be free to send into Iran, which you know is what Cheney wants to do.

Bob in HI

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63462 bobschacht Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:05:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63462 <blockquote><p>Where was Yoo during this time? Was he in the meetings too? Because the heat has been on him, and he has a good motive and the knowledge to rat on the whole lot of them.</p></blockquote> <p>This is a good point. Yoo was asked (at certain points) to provide the rationalization for what they were already doing. If so, however, he missed the point about the lawyer’s responsibility for giving lawful advice to his client?</p> <p>Bob in HI</p>

Where was Yoo during this time? Was he in the meetings too? Because the heat has been on him, and he has a good motive and the knowledge to rat on the whole lot of them.

This is a good point. Yoo was asked (at certain points) to provide the rationalization for what they were already doing. If so, however, he missed the point about the lawyer’s responsibility for giving lawful advice to his client?

Bob in HI

]]> By: maryo2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63452 maryo2 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:51:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63452 <p>OK, will do. Honored to do it.</p> <p>I just found an article that differs from the earlier one by saying that the Saturday phone call was indeed to the same shelter.</p> <p>“The compound was raided Thursday after the 16-year-old girl called a local family violence shelter March 29 and 30, using someone else’s cell phone and speaking in hushed tones to avoid being overheard, McFadden’s affidavit said.”<br /> <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....st_retreat</a></p> OK, will do. Honored to do it.

I just found an article that differs from the earlier one by saying that the Saturday phone call was indeed to the same shelter.

“The compound was raided Thursday after the 16-year-old girl called a local family violence shelter March 29 and 30, using someone else’s cell phone and speaking in hushed tones to avoid being overheard, McFadden’s affidavit said.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..st_retreat

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63450 bmaz Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:47:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63450 <p>I would have to look at the warrant affidavits, but I am not real crazy about the probable cause generated by a hearsay phone in on uncorroborated veracity.</p> I would have to look at the warrant affidavits, but I am not real crazy about the probable cause generated by a hearsay phone in on uncorroborated veracity.

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63447 emptywheel Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:44:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63447 <p>See if you can find an early version of that AP story–I think the NYT version changed as I was looking at it to take out the name of the woman from the shelter, who was interviewed.</p> See if you can find an early version of that AP story–I think the NYT version changed as I was looking at it to take out the name of the woman from the shelter, who was interviewed.

]]> By: maryo2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-63444 maryo2 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:42:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/04/10/remember-the-torture-tapes/#comment-63444 <p>For closure - I have found what I was looking for - the dates of the warrants and who signed two of them. The judge is a Republican but she does appear to have acted in a timely fashion. The girl called on Sunday and the first warrant was issued on Thursday. </p> <p>What agency she called on Saturday has not been released; I assume it is not the same shelter she called on Sunday. </p> <p>Also, I have found that the 4-year informant may not have been at the Texas ranch. He may have been at either of two other ranches. Thus he may not have been a witness to the abuses in Texas.<br /> ***************</p> <p>“It was Walther who authorized agents to search the ranch. She signed the first search warrant April 3, then authorized a second, more expansive search warrant April 6. She also authorized a civil action, ordering officers to remove all children from the church’s ranch. …<br /> In Texas, a third search warrant from a federal judge has since been signed, authorizing federal agents to search the ranch.”<br /> <a href="http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695269082,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://deseretnews.com/article.....82,00.html</a></p> For closure – I have found what I was looking for – the dates of the warrants and who signed two of them. The judge is a Republican but she does appear to have acted in a timely fashion. The girl called on Sunday and the first warrant was issued on Thursday.

What agency she called on Saturday has not been released; I assume it is not the same shelter she called on Sunday.

Also, I have found that the 4-year informant may not have been at the Texas ranch. He may have been at either of two other ranches. Thus he may not have been a witness to the abuses in Texas.
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“It was Walther who authorized agents to search the ranch. She signed the first search warrant April 3, then authorized a second, more expansive search warrant April 6. She also authorized a civil action, ordering officers to remove all children from the church’s ranch. …
In Texas, a third search warrant from a federal judge has since been signed, authorizing federal agents to search the ranch.”
http://deseretnews.com/article…..82,00.html

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