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		<title>By: maryo2</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryo2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“They initiated some of the program after 9/11, but it appears that, at a minimum, they set up the underlying infrastructure for the wiretap program in January-February 2001.”  -ew&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And this has made me spend hours trying to figure out what the plan was for the FBI’s Investigative Services Division (ISD) before 9-11.  My theory is that the gutting of existing avenues of intelligence gathering had begun before 9-11.  (Tin foil hat says illegal wire taps of Mohammed Atta were in place, but the White House did not act on intelligence because they did not have a FISA warrant and did not want to reveal their NSA wiretapping program.) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ISD was “on its last legs” in July 2001, according to “Frank,” an Intelligence Operations Specialist in the Radical Fundamentalist Unit of the FBI. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But later in the same FBI report it is stated that:&lt;br /&gt;
“&lt;b&gt; In the wake of September 11, the FBI concluded &lt;/b&gt; that analysts would be more effective if they were controlled by the operational divisions. ISD was abolished, and analysts were dispersed back to the divisions in which they originally served.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32336.html#n_61_&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32336.html#n_61_&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“They initiated some of the program after 9/11, but it appears that, at a minimum, they set up the underlying infrastructure for the wiretap program in January-February 2001.”  -ew</p>
<p>And this has made me spend hours trying to figure out what the plan was for the FBI’s Investigative Services Division (ISD) before 9-11.  My theory is that the gutting of existing avenues of intelligence gathering had begun before 9-11.  (Tin foil hat says illegal wire taps of Mohammed Atta were in place, but the White House did not act on intelligence because they did not have a FISA warrant and did not want to reveal their NSA wiretapping program.) </p>
<p>The ISD was “on its last legs” in July 2001, according to “Frank,” an Intelligence Operations Specialist in the Radical Fundamentalist Unit of the FBI. </p>
<p>But later in the same FBI report it is stated that:<br />
“<b> In the wake of September 11, the FBI concluded </b> that analysts would be more effective if they were controlled by the operational divisions. ISD was abolished, and analysts were dispersed back to the divisions in which they originally served.” </p>
<p>(see <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32336.html#n_61_" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32336.html#n_61_</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Tortoise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tortoise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Surely there is a logical flaw in the appeals court opinion?  The “undisclosed positive information” was not material at the time of the alleged illegal trading.  It only became relevant (as exculpatory evidence) after Nacchio was charged.  There is nothing to suggest that Nacchio engaged in insider trading &lt;strong&gt;on the basis&lt;/strong&gt; of this piece of information (if that is the test?).  If it was not material at the time of the trade, the “general rule” presumably did not apply then, and therefore it should not apply now either.  Is this incorrect, or too simple an analysis? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(In my defense, I’m just a scientist, so I probably put too much stock in a logic-based argument).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely there is a logical flaw in the appeals court opinion?  The “undisclosed positive information” was not material at the time of the alleged illegal trading.  It only became relevant (as exculpatory evidence) after Nacchio was charged.  There is nothing to suggest that Nacchio engaged in insider trading <strong>on the basis</strong> of this piece of information (if that is the test?).  If it was not material at the time of the trade, the “general rule” presumably did not apply then, and therefore it should not apply now either.  Is this incorrect, or too simple an analysis? </p>
<p>(In my defense, I’m just a scientist, so I probably put too much stock in a logic-based argument).</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
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		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am very disturbed the seigleman story has fallen below the radar, I have read the man is getting beaten as well&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why is he still encarcerated?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why is there no blog swarm?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we have to do something&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;seigleman is the cog that will bring this administration down, he is the cog that will get rove charged, and he is a man in jail because he won an election&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we have to do something&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very disturbed the seigleman story has fallen below the radar, I have read the man is getting beaten as well</p>
<p>why is he still encarcerated?</p>
<p>why is there no blog swarm?</p>
<p>we have to do something</p>
<p>seigleman is the cog that will bring this administration down, he is the cog that will get rove charged, and he is a man in jail because he won an election</p>
<p>we have to do something</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/17/nacchio-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-59264</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Fourth amendment issue is dead, in Nacchio’s trial.  Here is the complete appellate court treatment of the “I should be permitted to introduce evidence of a broken deal with the government” grounds for appeal.  Three paragraphs in total, out of 60 pages of majority opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr. Nacchio also argues that the district court was wrong to prevent him from presenting certain classified information as evidence at trial. He claims that the evidence would have shown that he personally had reason to believe that Qwest’s economic prospects were much better than others realized. Thus, he says, this evidence should have been permitted both to show that he did not have material information and to negate scienter. We affirm the district court’s decision, because even if the classified information were presented and established what he said it would, it could not exonerate Mr. Nacchio as he claims.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Essentially, Mr. Nacchio argues that undisclosed positive information can be used as a defense to a charge of trading on undisclosed negative information. We disagree. If an insider has material information that he cannot disclose because it is confidential or proprietary, then he must abstain from trading. That is the lesson of In re Cady, Roberts &amp; Co., Exchange Act Release No. 6,668, 40 S.E.C. 907, 911 (1961), later applied in SEC v. Texas Gulf Sulphur Co., 401 F.2d 833, 848, 850 n.12 (2d Cir. 1968), and Chiarella v. United States, 445 U.S. 222, 226­-29 (1980). It is black-letter law that insiders must disclose their material information or else abstain.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is true that in cases like Texas Gulf Sulphur, insiders were trading in bullish positions ahead of the disclosure of the company’s proprietary discovery, and thus their trading correlated with the inside information, while here Mr. Nacchio argues that his possession of classified information neutralizes his possession of other inside information. However, the general rule applies. If an insider trades on the basis of his perception of the net effect of two bits of material undisclosed information, he has violated the law in two respects, not none.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fourth amendment issue is dead, in Nacchio’s trial.  Here is the complete appellate court treatment of the “I should be permitted to introduce evidence of a broken deal with the government” grounds for appeal.  Three paragraphs in total, out of 60 pages of majority opinion.
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<blockquote><p>Mr. Nacchio also argues that the district court was wrong to prevent him from presenting certain classified information as evidence at trial. He claims that the evidence would have shown that he personally had reason to believe that Qwest’s economic prospects were much better than others realized. Thus, he says, this evidence should have been permitted both to show that he did not have material information and to negate scienter. We affirm the district court’s decision, because even if the classified information were presented and established what he said it would, it could not exonerate Mr. Nacchio as he claims.
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<p>Essentially, Mr. Nacchio argues that undisclosed positive information can be used as a defense to a charge of trading on undisclosed negative information. We disagree. If an insider has material information that he cannot disclose because it is confidential or proprietary, then he must abstain from trading. That is the lesson of In re Cady, Roberts &amp; Co., Exchange Act Release No. 6,668, 40 S.E.C. 907, 911 (1961), later applied in SEC v. Texas Gulf Sulphur Co., 401 F.2d 833, 848, 850 n.12 (2d Cir. 1968), and Chiarella v. United States, 445 U.S. 222, 226­-29 (1980). It is black-letter law that insiders must disclose their material information or else abstain.
</p>
<p>It is true that in cases like Texas Gulf Sulphur, insiders were trading in bullish positions ahead of the disclosure of the company’s proprietary discovery, and thus their trading correlated with the inside information, while here Mr. Nacchio argues that his possession of classified information neutralizes his possession of other inside information. However, the general rule applies. If an insider trades on the basis of his perception of the net effect of two bits of material undisclosed information, he has violated the law in two respects, not none.
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh heh, “Federal Judge is pompous intemperate ass” is, um, shall we say, not exactly an unusual or new story.  The ticky tack stuff in that story by reporter Lewis doesn’t even put Naughtyham in the big leagues of intemperate pompous ass federal judges.  I have heard he was a bear in the Nacchio trial, but you’re going to need more than than a fleeting “69″ joke to make the case.  A month long heated criminal trial is a war of sorts, it is the kind of setting where big boys and, occasionally, girls play; it is not for the meek.   If a trial attorney heard that crack and did anything but chuckle and move on, they probably shouldn’t be in that courtroom.  Now, that statement I just made may shock those with sensitive ears and conscience, and perhaps rightfully so; but from what I’ve seen, it is a fact.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh, “Federal Judge is pompous intemperate ass” is, um, shall we say, not exactly an unusual or new story.  The ticky tack stuff in that story by reporter Lewis doesn’t even put Naughtyham in the big leagues of intemperate pompous ass federal judges.  I have heard he was a bear in the Nacchio trial, but you’re going to need more than than a fleeting “69″ joke to make the case.  A month long heated criminal trial is a war of sorts, it is the kind of setting where big boys and, occasionally, girls play; it is not for the meek.   If a trial attorney heard that crack and did anything but chuckle and move on, they probably shouldn’t be in that courtroom.  Now, that statement I just made may shock those with sensitive ears and conscience, and perhaps rightfully so; but from what I’ve seen, it is a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al Lewis of the Denver Post writes about Judge Nottingham in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_8580044&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not-so-honorable judge presides&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mahoney may be Nacchio’s Robin Hood to the rescue. I wonder whether he’ll get to keep her for the duration.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Lewis of the Denver Post writes about Judge Nottingham in <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_8580044" rel="nofollow">Not-so-honorable judge presides</a>.</p>
<p>Mahoney may be Nacchio’s Robin Hood to the rescue. I wonder whether he’ll get to keep her for the duration.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueStateRedHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueStateRedHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;back after a trip t- distant land and writing fr-m a lapt-p w/- the letter situated  between i and p that l–ks like 0. S- bear with me if every w-rd is spelled like s-me pe-ple spell G-D. EW if y-u have can take a minute -ff fr-m defending the C-NSTITUTI-N, why and when was J-di banned? in any case, thank G-d! -r y-u.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back after a trip t- distant land and writing fr-m a lapt-p w/- the letter situated  between i and p that l–ks like 0. S- bear with me if every w-rd is spelled like s-me pe-ple spell G-D. EW if y-u have can take a minute -ff fr-m defending the C-NSTITUTI-N, why and when was J-di banned? in any case, thank G-d! -r y-u.</p>
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		<title>By: MarieRoget</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarieRoget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re very welcome.  It’s been a tough day all ’round, &amp; personally I’m beat, but watching &amp; listening to Charlie Lennon cheered me up, so thought I’d share.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Must hit the hay now- early to the office tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re very welcome.  It’s been a tough day all ’round, &amp; personally I’m beat, but watching &amp; listening to Charlie Lennon cheered me up, so thought I’d share.</p>
<p>Must hit the hay now- early to the office tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks for the music Marie.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the music Marie.</p>
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		<title>By: MarieRoget</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarieRoget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t know about DC itself, but Beamish available @ the Lost Dog Cafe in Arlington:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lostdogcafe.com/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lostdogcafe.com/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s St. Pat’s Day w/out a couple of reels by one of the best fiddlers around, Charlie Lennon-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4wt2JQqpc8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bonnie Kate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kx2LtClMFQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smile for Sheila&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good night all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t know about DC itself, but Beamish available @ the Lost Dog Cafe in Arlington:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lostdogcafe.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lostdogcafe.com/index.htm</a></p>
<p>What’s St. Pat’s Day w/out a couple of reels by one of the best fiddlers around, Charlie Lennon-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4wt2JQqpc8" rel="nofollow">Bonnie Kate</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kx2LtClMFQ" rel="nofollow">Smile for Sheila</a></p>
<p>Good night all.</p>
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