Comments on: The Blue Dogs (Some of Them, at Least) Come Home http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:35:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: masaccio http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58694 masaccio Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:49:41 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58694 <p>I am stunned that my Congressman, Jim Cooper, not only voted against the Democratic Party on the bill, he voted to consider the Senate Bill first. FWIW, I sent him an e-mail, asking him to provide a list of other entities who should not be held liable for breaking the law, and suggesting that a statute naming them would be in order.</p> I am stunned that my Congressman, Jim Cooper, not only voted against the Democratic Party on the bill, he voted to consider the Senate Bill first. FWIW, I sent him an e-mail, asking him to provide a list of other entities who should not be held liable for breaking the law, and suggesting that a statute naming them would be in order.

]]> By: wavpeac http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58665 wavpeac Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:40:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58665 <p>Well, I say that each and every win puts us closer to getting impeachment back on the table. I want it in the news every night. </p> <p>However, I agree with Bmaz, and readeroftealeaves that bushco is going to be feeling very desperate. He does not strike me as a man that handles that emotion well. His past suggests impulsivity as a major problem. This is worth being frightened of. He’s driving the bus. </p> <p>I hope all the dems are ready to take the wheel.</p> Well, I say that each and every win puts us closer to getting impeachment back on the table. I want it in the news every night.

However, I agree with Bmaz, and readeroftealeaves that bushco is going to be feeling very desperate. He does not strike me as a man that handles that emotion well. His past suggests impulsivity as a major problem. This is worth being frightened of. He’s driving the bus.

I hope all the dems are ready to take the wheel.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58658 readerOfTeaLeaves Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:05:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58658 <p>Yup.<br /> And ‘nuts’ is one of the words that comes to mind.</p> <p>What part of ’self-defeating’ does Bu$hCo fail to comprehend?<br /> These guys have more Phyrric victories than any group since… well, I think they hold the record at this point.</p> Yup.
And ‘nuts’ is one of the words that comes to mind.

What part of ’self-defeating’ does Bu$hCo fail to comprehend?
These guys have more Phyrric victories than any group since… well, I think they hold the record at this point.

]]> By: klynn http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58657 klynn Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:04:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58657 <p>I had to leave to go pick up my son but heard that news bit announced on CSPAN right after the vote tally was announced. Thought, “Oh golly gee! Amazing timing there CSPAN!”</p> <p>Would like to know when CSPAN received the news report and why the “swift” reporting of such news right after the vote was taken?</p> <p>Bad play CSPAN. You’ll get caught for such politicizing…</p> I had to leave to go pick up my son but heard that news bit announced on CSPAN right after the vote tally was announced. Thought, “Oh golly gee! Amazing timing there CSPAN!”

Would like to know when CSPAN received the news report and why the “swift” reporting of such news right after the vote was taken?

Bad play CSPAN. You’ll get caught for such politicizing…

]]> By: JTMinIA http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58656 JTMinIA Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:01:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58656 <p>Unravel… Do you mean do something nuts like attack Iran? That’s my worry, at least.</p> Unravel… Do you mean do something nuts like attack Iran? That’s my worry, at least.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58654 readerOfTeaLeaves Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:53:48 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58654 <p>Actually, I only heard a snippet, b/c it made me so uncomfortable that I had to shut it off. Very unnerving; there’s something really wrong there.</p> <p>I’m just worried that as things unravel, he’ll act in ever more risky ways; gamblers tend to do that, I assume. The bigger their losses, the more they’re willing to put on the table. Probably people in Vegas have more insight about Bush than I do.</p> Actually, I only heard a snippet, b/c it made me so uncomfortable that I had to shut it off. Very unnerving; there’s something really wrong there.

I’m just worried that as things unravel, he’ll act in ever more risky ways; gamblers tend to do that, I assume. The bigger their losses, the more they’re willing to put on the table. Probably people in Vegas have more insight about Bush than I do.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58645 readerOfTeaLeaves Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:38:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58645 <p>Hey scribe! </p> <blockquote><p>I think it would not have been achievable without all us in the blogosphere </p></blockquote> <p>Totally agree.<br /> But I don’t think that it was simply ‘pressure’; I think it really was the value of the information the netroots had: Wired, EW, Glenzilla, FDL, TPM.. were like magnets that attracted expertise, and some excellent info was exchanged. </p> <p>As that process occurred, the fundamental contradictions, paradoxes, and ‘Trojan horses’ in that Bush version of FISA/PAA were revealed. If Bush’s version could have withstood scrutiny, it would have passed.</p> <p>I assume that O’Reilly and Coulter and their ilk are going to whine that this was the ‘lefties’ somehow ‘pressuring’ Congress. That’s superficial and flawed. They only delude themselves.<br /> The simple truth (which they don’t want to confront) is that FISA/PAA couldn’t withstand public scrutiny.</p> <p>That CCIA doc EW linked to was brilliant, IMHO.</p> <p>And once MadDogs linked to those Verizon, ATT, and Qwest docs that all basically said, “Sorry, Congress, but we can’t tell you b/c the WH says we can’t talk” then it was clear the Dems had to either pack it in, or dig in.</p> <p>Glad they dug in ;-)))</p> <p>But they had a lot of talent in the blogosphere helping them out.<br /> Personally, I learned a ton.</p> Hey scribe!

I think it would not have been achievable without all us in the blogosphere

Totally agree.
But I don’t think that it was simply ‘pressure’; I think it really was the value of the information the netroots had: Wired, EW, Glenzilla, FDL, TPM.. were like magnets that attracted expertise, and some excellent info was exchanged.

As that process occurred, the fundamental contradictions, paradoxes, and ‘Trojan horses’ in that Bush version of FISA/PAA were revealed. If Bush’s version could have withstood scrutiny, it would have passed.

I assume that O’Reilly and Coulter and their ilk are going to whine that this was the ‘lefties’ somehow ‘pressuring’ Congress. That’s superficial and flawed. They only delude themselves.
The simple truth (which they don’t want to confront) is that FISA/PAA couldn’t withstand public scrutiny.

That CCIA doc EW linked to was brilliant, IMHO.

And once MadDogs linked to those Verizon, ATT, and Qwest docs that all basically said, “Sorry, Congress, but we can’t tell you b/c the WH says we can’t talk” then it was clear the Dems had to either pack it in, or dig in.

Glad they dug in ;-)))

But they had a lot of talent in the blogosphere helping them out.
Personally, I learned a ton.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58644 bmaz Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:36:56 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58644 <p>Man, was that the most pathetic gig ever this morning or what? Even by Bush’s standards, it was absolutely horrid. The speech was terrible and said nothing but a bunch of tired and false tripe. And Bush looked vacant, lost, disoriented, scared and defeated. Really bad, even for Bush.</p> Man, was that the most pathetic gig ever this morning or what? Even by Bush’s standards, it was absolutely horrid. The speech was terrible and said nothing but a bunch of tired and false tripe. And Bush looked vacant, lost, disoriented, scared and defeated. Really bad, even for Bush.

]]> By: JTMinIA http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58639 JTMinIA Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:32:24 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58639 <p>bmaz -</p> <p>You seem to be operating under the assumption that there can be only one #2. (Maybe you’re old enough to remember the TV show?) This is post-Dan-Quayle America. There can be several.</p> bmaz -

You seem to be operating under the assumption that there can be only one #2. (Maybe you’re old enough to remember the TV show?) This is post-Dan-Quayle America. There can be several.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-58637 readerOfTeaLeaves Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:29:33 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/the-blue-dogs-some-of-them-at-least-come-home/#comment-58637 <p>Probably Bu$hCo thought that an AQ ‘terraist’ or two would put a little more NOISE into the media today, in an effort to reduce the following SIGNALS:<br /> (1) news of US taxpayers bailing out more Wall St Gamblers in a very big way today (see: Bear Stearns), plus<br /> (2) Boosh’s pathetic (delusional?) speech before bankers in NY, plus<br /> (3) Dems prevailing over Bu$hCo on FISA by protecting Americans, while calling bullshit on Bush’s efforts to cover his criminal activity.</p> <p>AQ = Necessary Bright Shiny Object on a very bad newz day.</p> Probably Bu$hCo thought that an AQ ‘terraist’ or two would put a little more NOISE into the media today, in an effort to reduce the following SIGNALS:
(1) news of US taxpayers bailing out more Wall St Gamblers in a very big way today (see: Bear Stearns), plus
(2) Boosh’s pathetic (delusional?) speech before bankers in NY, plus
(3) Dems prevailing over Bu$hCo on FISA by protecting Americans, while calling bullshit on Bush’s efforts to cover his criminal activity.

AQ = Necessary Bright Shiny Object on a very bad newz day.

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