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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/more-blue-dogs-come-home/comment-page-2/#comment-58840</link>
		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yay!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/more-blue-dogs-come-home/comment-page-2/#comment-58818</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would not bring up the story Arvonne Fraser tells in her book, except that Hillary is claiming her starring role and speech at the Beijing Conference on the Status of Women in her campaign for the Presidency as an example of Foreign Diplomatic Experience.  All I did was simplify the narrative and tell the story with reference to what Arvonne has published and recently said in public appearances.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now why is it necessary to create a conflict between more progressive Feminism, and its interests in empowering women in many institutions, and place it against say school lunches or S-Chip funding?  It isn’t.  False choice that doesn’t have to be made. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point is different — After the election of 1980 the progress made during the Carter Administration incorporating Women’s Programs into projects the State Department normally supports ended.  The position as Assistant Sec. of State for Women’s Affairs was abolished.  But the programs survived because Arvonne found them a new home in the Humphrey Institute, helped re-structure them as NGO’s, Helped find private financing, and they were essentially more healthy at the beginning of the Clinton years than they had been in 1980.  Initially Clinton adopted them, they were ready-made programs.  Then they were screwed in large measure because someone wanted a starring role at an international conference.  Then, thirteen-fourteen years later, that same person claims this as a huge contribution to International Relations while running for President.  I just think the truth of the matter should surface, and the sources available for telling the story ought to be on the record.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not bring up the story Arvonne Fraser tells in her book, except that Hillary is claiming her starring role and speech at the Beijing Conference on the Status of Women in her campaign for the Presidency as an example of Foreign Diplomatic Experience.  All I did was simplify the narrative and tell the story with reference to what Arvonne has published and recently said in public appearances.  </p>
<p>Now why is it necessary to create a conflict between more progressive Feminism, and its interests in empowering women in many institutions, and place it against say school lunches or S-Chip funding?  It isn’t.  False choice that doesn’t have to be made. </p>
<p>My point is different — After the election of 1980 the progress made during the Carter Administration incorporating Women’s Programs into projects the State Department normally supports ended.  The position as Assistant Sec. of State for Women’s Affairs was abolished.  But the programs survived because Arvonne found them a new home in the Humphrey Institute, helped re-structure them as NGO’s, Helped find private financing, and they were essentially more healthy at the beginning of the Clinton years than they had been in 1980.  Initially Clinton adopted them, they were ready-made programs.  Then they were screwed in large measure because someone wanted a starring role at an international conference.  Then, thirteen-fourteen years later, that same person claims this as a huge contribution to International Relations while running for President.  I just think the truth of the matter should surface, and the sources available for telling the story ought to be on the record.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The House FISA amendment is constitutional oversight.&lt;br /&gt;
Bush has vowed to veto it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unitary presidential power without oversight is now looming as a congressional confrontation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Impeachment proceedings only will resolve the rule of law that Bush is flouting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Rovian/Addington Neocon power struggle that gives corporations power over the people can be stopped by impeachment powers of supeona. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Demand your constitutional rights.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The House FISA amendment is constitutional oversight.<br />
Bush has vowed to veto it.</p>
<p>Unitary presidential power without oversight is now looming as a congressional confrontation.</p>
<p>Impeachment proceedings only will resolve the rule of law that Bush is flouting.</p>
<p>The Rovian/Addington Neocon power struggle that gives corporations power over the people can be stopped by impeachment powers of supeona. </p>
<p>Demand your constitutional rights.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/more-blue-dogs-come-home/comment-page-2/#comment-58786</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;At least no one has appointed his horse a senator yet. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps not; but there are numerous horse’s asses so serving….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At least no one has appointed his horse a senator yet. </p>
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<p>Perhaps not; but there are numerous horse’s asses so serving….</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/more-blue-dogs-come-home/comment-page-2/#comment-58785</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll second that…&lt;br /&gt;
The House upended the Senate.&lt;br /&gt;
I hope the Senate can’t rebound, with a swift kick into Bushie’s&lt;br /&gt;
bully (belly) pulpit…&lt;br /&gt;
Kennedy and Kerry are pulling the right levers…&lt;br /&gt;
I’d like to see our Presidential Candidates give voice to this&lt;br /&gt;
issue….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll second that…<br />
The House upended the Senate.<br />
I hope the Senate can’t rebound, with a swift kick into Bushie’s<br />
bully (belly) pulpit…<br />
Kennedy and Kerry are pulling the right levers…<br />
I’d like to see our Presidential Candidates give voice to this<br />
issue….</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But isn’t this really the problem that has gotten us where we are today?  My enormous disappointment with the Clinton administration was that they ultimately failed to make good on the promise of the progressive agenda that they campaigned on.  Instead of making their case and selling it to the public, and thereby bringing the Congress along with them, instead of building a progressive movement, they shifted the emphasis via their infamous triangulation to what we know refer to as “Republican-lite”.  Whether on women’s issues as Sara describes so eloquently above, or on free-trade issues, or on health care, etc.  Bill Clinton had enormous popular appeal and he could have sold his agenda, but instead he backed off.  I understand that he had an uphill battle after the 1994 mid-terms, but I think he could have done so much more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not terribly interested in the Obama-Hillary pissing contest that is currently underway, and I agree with Pachacutec (I think that’s who it was) who posted over at FDL recently that neither of these candidates is actually a progressive candidate.  What I am interested in however, is pushing hard on the current (and future) leadership to get the Democratic Party back into the progressive camp again.  To teach them how to defend progressive principles and sell them to the public.  In that light, I think understanding how the Clinton administration and the Democratic Leadership Council undercut the historic progressive legacy of the Democratic Party is a useful exercise and I am grateful for Sara’s post to that end.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, I cannot think of a better example in my lifetime of the public pushing the Democrats to find their progressive voice (such as it is) than this FISA fight.  It is entirely because of the tremendous efforts of our leading bloggers to organize the rest of us to make phone calls, write letters, send emails and faxes.  EW, Jane, Christy, Glenn, mcjoan, KagroX, etc. deserve enormous credit and praise for yesterday’s victory.  I am deeply thankful for all they have done.  For the first time in years I believe that we may yet prevail in regaining control of our out-of-control government.  Thank you all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn’t this really the problem that has gotten us where we are today?  My enormous disappointment with the Clinton administration was that they ultimately failed to make good on the promise of the progressive agenda that they campaigned on.  Instead of making their case and selling it to the public, and thereby bringing the Congress along with them, instead of building a progressive movement, they shifted the emphasis via their infamous triangulation to what we know refer to as “Republican-lite”.  Whether on women’s issues as Sara describes so eloquently above, or on free-trade issues, or on health care, etc.  Bill Clinton had enormous popular appeal and he could have sold his agenda, but instead he backed off.  I understand that he had an uphill battle after the 1994 mid-terms, but I think he could have done so much more.</p>
<p>I am not terribly interested in the Obama-Hillary pissing contest that is currently underway, and I agree with Pachacutec (I think that’s who it was) who posted over at FDL recently that neither of these candidates is actually a progressive candidate.  What I am interested in however, is pushing hard on the current (and future) leadership to get the Democratic Party back into the progressive camp again.  To teach them how to defend progressive principles and sell them to the public.  In that light, I think understanding how the Clinton administration and the Democratic Leadership Council undercut the historic progressive legacy of the Democratic Party is a useful exercise and I am grateful for Sara’s post to that end.</p>
<p>By the way, I cannot think of a better example in my lifetime of the public pushing the Democrats to find their progressive voice (such as it is) than this FISA fight.  It is entirely because of the tremendous efforts of our leading bloggers to organize the rest of us to make phone calls, write letters, send emails and faxes.  EW, Jane, Christy, Glenn, mcjoan, KagroX, etc. deserve enormous credit and praise for yesterday’s victory.  I am deeply thankful for all they have done.  For the first time in years I believe that we may yet prevail in regaining control of our out-of-control government.  Thank you all.</p>
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		<title>By: dirigo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/14/more-blue-dogs-come-home/comment-page-2/#comment-58783</link>
		<dc:creator>dirigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Congratulations to Jane Hamsher and Firegdoglake for the effort to, at least, put on hold for a time the inclusion of blanket immunity for telecoms within a new FISA bill.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to Jane Hamsher and Firegdoglake for the effort to, at least, put on hold for a time the inclusion of blanket immunity for telecoms within a new FISA bill.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s lovely, Ishmael; it really is. You gave me such a smile.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s lovely, Ishmael; it really is. You gave me such a smile.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As you may have been able to tell, I am a huge fan of Dr. Seuss, and I truly believe that everyone benefits from reading his books at periodic points in life to remind you of what’s important.  I wish that Bar Bush had read Yertle the Turtle or The Lorax to W when he was younger, the world would be a better place.  Actually, this line from the Lorax says it all when it comes to stressing the importance of being involved and aware….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,&lt;br /&gt;
nothing is going to get better. It’s not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you may have been able to tell, I am a huge fan of Dr. Seuss, and I truly believe that everyone benefits from reading his books at periodic points in life to remind you of what’s important.  I wish that Bar Bush had read Yertle the Turtle or The Lorax to W when he was younger, the world would be a better place.  Actually, this line from the Lorax says it all when it comes to stressing the importance of being involved and aware….</p>
<p>Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,<br />
nothing is going to get better. It’s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With the release of Horton Hears A Who this weekend, my sweet fantasy is that Bush will end up in the mud like Yertle the Turtle, toppled by the burps of the little Macks at the bottom of the turtle tower…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And today the great Yertle, that Marvelous he,&lt;br /&gt;
Is King of the Mud. That is all he can see.&lt;br /&gt;
And the turtles, of course…all the turtles are free&lt;br /&gt;
As turtles and, maybe, all creatures should be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the release of Horton Hears A Who this weekend, my sweet fantasy is that Bush will end up in the mud like Yertle the Turtle, toppled by the burps of the little Macks at the bottom of the turtle tower…</p>
<p>And today the great Yertle, that Marvelous he,<br />
Is King of the Mud. That is all he can see.<br />
And the turtles, of course…all the turtles are free<br />
As turtles and, maybe, all creatures should be.</p>
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