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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58282</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*g* No semantical (is that a word for literate people) 3 card Monte there of course.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58280</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know how politics works and there is some, in the NY Bar, but Spitzer is not going to lose his law license, and right now it would be very premature for the Bar to act. They don’t know if Spitzer will be charged with a crime.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m hoping he will. It’s long overdue to beat up Garcia, and I’m looking forward to it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know how politics works and there is some, in the NY Bar, but Spitzer is not going to lose his law license, and right now it would be very premature for the Bar to act. They don’t know if Spitzer will be charged with a crime.  </p>
<p>I’m hoping he will. It’s long overdue to beat up Garcia, and I’m looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58204</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said.  The money transfers may have exceeded the reporting threshold, but this money wasn’t paid to Spitzer, a necessary element of bribery or other corruption; it was already his money and there is no suggestion, much less evidence, that the money was ill-gotten.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ultimately, the DOJ found evidence of a crime.  But that’s an after the fact justification, used to obfuscate whether there was an adequate basis to launch an investigation in the first place.  From what’s been disclosed to so far, Scott Horton doesn’t think there was.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moreover, the judgment that allocated such substantial federal resources to investigate what is normally a state beef is appalling.  Especially given that that same “judgment” ignores hundreds of crimes of violence and fraud in Iraq, which are uniquely under the jurisdiction of the DOJ, and ignores most sexual (and other) prostitution in its own back yard.  “Selective prosecution” is the kindest description I can think of.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  The money transfers may have exceeded the reporting threshold, but this money wasn’t paid to Spitzer, a necessary element of bribery or other corruption; it was already his money and there is no suggestion, much less evidence, that the money was ill-gotten.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the DOJ found evidence of a crime.  But that’s an after the fact justification, used to obfuscate whether there was an adequate basis to launch an investigation in the first place.  From what’s been disclosed to so far, Scott Horton doesn’t think there was.  </p>
<p>Moreover, the judgment that allocated such substantial federal resources to investigate what is normally a state beef is appalling.  Especially given that that same “judgment” ignores hundreds of crimes of violence and fraud in Iraq, which are uniquely under the jurisdiction of the DOJ, and ignores most sexual (and other) prostitution in its own back yard.  “Selective prosecution” is the kindest description I can think of.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58202</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t really know, but i would not be surprised if the meme that the media, both print and broadcast, have bought off on from Garcia’s statement that there was “no deal in return for Spitzer’s resignation” is actually true.  There is a very convenient and common dodge that US Attorneys use in these situations where the term “deal” is interpreted to mean a “written and binding deal”.  It does NOT mean that there isn’t a solid “understanding”.  As an example, it happens every day in trial courtrooms so that, when questioned by the defense lawyer, the government’s witness can say “no, I don’t have a deal, I am just here to tell the truth”, when, in fact, there is an understanding that after he has cooperated fully an the case is over, he will be given assistance by the government on his sentencing or whatever.  So, “no deal” does not necessarily mean “no understanding”.  I have no idea if this is the case here, but I sure wouldn’t be surprised because the government would not want to have a formal record of such and agreement and Spitzer’s lawyers want the thing over with; so it is a relevant possibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t really know, but i would not be surprised if the meme that the media, both print and broadcast, have bought off on from Garcia’s statement that there was “no deal in return for Spitzer’s resignation” is actually true.  There is a very convenient and common dodge that US Attorneys use in these situations where the term “deal” is interpreted to mean a “written and binding deal”.  It does NOT mean that there isn’t a solid “understanding”.  As an example, it happens every day in trial courtrooms so that, when questioned by the defense lawyer, the government’s witness can say “no, I don’t have a deal, I am just here to tell the truth”, when, in fact, there is an understanding that after he has cooperated fully an the case is over, he will be given assistance by the government on his sentencing or whatever.  So, “no deal” does not necessarily mean “no understanding”.  I have no idea if this is the case here, but I sure wouldn’t be surprised because the government would not want to have a formal record of such and agreement and Spitzer’s lawyers want the thing over with; so it is a relevant possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Times hypocritically can’t get enough of the Spitzer self-immolation.  Neither, presumably, can the GOP.  The Times is reporting that Spitzer’s law license may be under review.  Last I read, there’s been no criminal conviction.  He has admitted to having sex with prostitutes, which is nonsensically a crime in most states.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As with the prosecution itself, it would be appropriate were it not so uniquely discriminatory and so hypocritical, observations the Times’ extensive reporting somehow fails to make.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times hypocritically can’t get enough of the Spitzer self-immolation.  Neither, presumably, can the GOP.  The Times is reporting that Spitzer’s law license may be under review.  Last I read, there’s been no criminal conviction.  He has admitted to having sex with prostitutes, which is nonsensically a crime in most states.  </p>
<p>As with the prosecution itself, it would be appropriate were it not so uniquely discriminatory and so hypocritical, observations the Times’ extensive reporting somehow fails to make.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58198</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If FBI/DOJ are going to claim that the original SAR came from the Emperor’s club, why aren’t the FBI/DOJ investigating/prosecuting more hookers? What was unique about the Emperor Club’s “suspicious activity” relative to other whore houses?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The answer to this is because DOJ is a tool of the Rove legacy and it has laregely been converted with unlimited resources into a machine to go after democrats.  It was interested in hookers in this situation because Spitzer was involved.  He fit their profile.  He was a Democrat in high office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is hardly a routine SARS pickup as LHP tried to explain over at the Lake in little golden book terms.  If you believe it was, then you must believe Telcom immunity is for your protection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This was distortion of the financial transaction laws for pure political purposes period.  Nothing else.  Had Spitzer not been one of the individuals involved there would have been no goofy kabuki dance with a grand jury used to investigate, followed by a complaint laced with wiretap transcripts and affidavits carefully leaked.  If you want to talk structuring, the structuring was done by Mike Garcia and his superiors at DOJ and their superiors in the West Wing for maximum publicity to bring Spitzer down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point, I would love to see Garcia dumb enough to indict Spitzer.  My message to Garcia would be “Bring it punk.   We’ll flay your illegal use of SWIFT open for the world to see.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If FBI/DOJ are going to claim that the original SAR came from the Emperor’s club, why aren’t the FBI/DOJ investigating/prosecuting more hookers? What was unique about the Emperor Club’s “suspicious activity” relative to other whore houses?</p>
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<p>The answer to this is because DOJ is a tool of the Rove legacy and it has laregely been converted with unlimited resources into a machine to go after democrats.  It was interested in hookers in this situation because Spitzer was involved.  He fit their profile.  He was a Democrat in high office.</p>
<p>This is hardly a routine SARS pickup as LHP tried to explain over at the Lake in little golden book terms.  If you believe it was, then you must believe Telcom immunity is for your protection.</p>
<p>This was distortion of the financial transaction laws for pure political purposes period.  Nothing else.  Had Spitzer not been one of the individuals involved there would have been no goofy kabuki dance with a grand jury used to investigate, followed by a complaint laced with wiretap transcripts and affidavits carefully leaked.  If you want to talk structuring, the structuring was done by Mike Garcia and his superiors at DOJ and their superiors in the West Wing for maximum publicity to bring Spitzer down.</p>
<p>At this point, I would love to see Garcia dumb enough to indict Spitzer.  My message to Garcia would be “Bring it punk.   We’ll flay your illegal use of SWIFT open for the world to see.”</p>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58141</link>
		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks. Getting the particulars right will help me put together search strings.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Getting the particulars right will help me put together search strings.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-resigns/comment-page-2/#comment-58131</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Areas I think the GOP is exposed on national security. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The FBI and DOJ are supposed to use their resources in  the GWOT. Why did it take them two-years to figure out this was about sex and not Islamofacsists?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Based on the evidence so far, it looks like FBI/DOJ preferred to &lt;strike&gt;use my tax dollars&lt;/strike&gt; chase high priced hookers than al-queda and the Taliban.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If FBI/DOJ are going to claim that the original SAR came from the Emperor’s club, why aren’t the FBI/DOJ investigating/prosecuting more hookers? What was unique about the Emperor Club’s “suspicious activity” relative to other whore houses?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Areas I think the GOP is exposed on national security. </p>
<p>The FBI and DOJ are supposed to use their resources in  the GWOT. Why did it take them two-years to figure out this was about sex and not Islamofacsists?</p>
<p>Based on the evidence so far, it looks like FBI/DOJ preferred to <strike>use my tax dollars</strike> chase high priced hookers than al-queda and the Taliban.</p>
<p>If FBI/DOJ are going to claim that the original SAR came from the Emperor’s club, why aren’t the FBI/DOJ investigating/prosecuting more hookers? What was unique about the Emperor Club’s “suspicious activity” relative to other whore houses?</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not to be picky, and it’s confusing because they sound alike, but the section that is handling this (well at the local level because I believe their initial puppet master was Rove or West Wing personnel who now run DOJ) but it’s an operation whose day to day handling is the Public Corruption Section in the SDNY, LHP’s old alma mater.  PIN or the Public Integrity Section is a different platform, and it runs out of D.C. at Main Justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be picky, and it’s confusing because they sound alike, but the section that is handling this (well at the local level because I believe their initial puppet master was Rove or West Wing personnel who now run DOJ) but it’s an operation whose day to day handling is the Public Corruption Section in the SDNY, LHP’s old alma mater.  PIN or the Public Integrity Section is a different platform, and it runs out of D.C. at Main Justice.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that you will see some pretty competent scrutiny of this situation in the next few weeks although it will take a long time for the media to extrapolate questions you’re seeing raised here.  Mary,  Bmaz, Masaccio, and others have been making some very astute observations and crutinizing this closely and spending time looking closely at some of the filings/affidavits, etc.  We don’t have access to all the affidavits, and I honestly can’t figure out where Garcia thinks he’s going with this now or before.  Mary just pointed out significant background on Garcia while he was at ICE in DHS and it’s strikingly gruesome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From Bmaz:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So did Mukasey’s memo tell the troops to go forth and run their yaps like fucking teenage schoolgirls? Because if not, there ought to be some terminations, and maybe some GJ secrecy investigations coming immediately and publicly; lest they not ask for more from Spitzer than they do themselves….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I think they have some potential major problems with the warrant affidavits. You would have to attack the affidavits on their face, but they are not looking all that good to me. For one, they didn’t sufficiently establish the requisite prongs of knowledge basis and reliability/veracity of the CI (they call a “CS”; same difference to me) and, as you indicate, under the current story, the CI is key. Two, I think they were extremely disingenuous with the court as to the true nature and purpose of what they were investigating, both on the affidavit for the Jan. 8 order and,as i said above, I suspect the Feb. 11 order. Three, thats before the defense has even joined the fray; there will be a whole lot more if a defense pro starts dissecting the thing. Judges are flaky these days, but cognizable arguments are already there, they would appear to be only going to get stronger.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Bmaz raised a very significant question on the warrant timing, and if I remember correctly LHP was probably mulling that as well when she wanted links for the warrant timing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were running some aspects of the media, and obviously I’m not, I’d like to put Bmaz and Mary on KO for the next few nights and make listening compulsory for indifferent America.  The story is still early in the news cycle, but it is frustrating to see the media so obtuse on the signficant legal questions and red flags as to really a cascade of serious errors in judgement in this whole case by DOJ.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This wasn’t an exercise of prosecutorial discretion in my perception; it was instead a medical grand rounds as to what happens when someone performs a lobotomy on people at Main Justice and Mike Gracia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t expect people like Larry King and the “local detective” to pick up on any of these nuances, and although she may know about them don’t expect Linda Fairstein to focus on  these issues either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you will see some pretty competent scrutiny of this situation in the next few weeks although it will take a long time for the media to extrapolate questions you’re seeing raised here.  Mary,  Bmaz, Masaccio, and others have been making some very astute observations and crutinizing this closely and spending time looking closely at some of the filings/affidavits, etc.  We don’t have access to all the affidavits, and I honestly can’t figure out where Garcia thinks he’s going with this now or before.  Mary just pointed out significant background on Garcia while he was at ICE in DHS and it’s strikingly gruesome.</p>
<p>From Bmaz:</p>
<blockquote><p>So did Mukasey’s memo tell the troops to go forth and run their yaps like fucking teenage schoolgirls? Because if not, there ought to be some terminations, and maybe some GJ secrecy investigations coming immediately and publicly; lest they not ask for more from Spitzer than they do themselves….</p>
<p>Yeah, I think they have some potential major problems with the warrant affidavits. You would have to attack the affidavits on their face, but they are not looking all that good to me. For one, they didn’t sufficiently establish the requisite prongs of knowledge basis and reliability/veracity of the CI (they call a “CS”; same difference to me) and, as you indicate, under the current story, the CI is key. Two, I think they were extremely disingenuous with the court as to the true nature and purpose of what they were investigating, both on the affidavit for the Jan. 8 order and,as i said above, I suspect the Feb. 11 order. Three, thats before the defense has even joined the fray; there will be a whole lot more if a defense pro starts dissecting the thing. Judges are flaky these days, but cognizable arguments are already there, they would appear to be only going to get stronger.</p>
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<p>I think Bmaz raised a very significant question on the warrant timing, and if I remember correctly LHP was probably mulling that as well when she wanted links for the warrant timing.</p>
<p>If I were running some aspects of the media, and obviously I’m not, I’d like to put Bmaz and Mary on KO for the next few nights and make listening compulsory for indifferent America.  The story is still early in the news cycle, but it is frustrating to see the media so obtuse on the signficant legal questions and red flags as to really a cascade of serious errors in judgement in this whole case by DOJ.  </p>
<p>This wasn’t an exercise of prosecutorial discretion in my perception; it was instead a medical grand rounds as to what happens when someone performs a lobotomy on people at Main Justice and Mike Gracia.</p>
<p>I don’t expect people like Larry King and the “local detective” to pick up on any of these nuances, and although she may know about them don’t expect Linda Fairstein to focus on  these issues either.</p>
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