Comments on: Think Outside the Box http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:46:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: prostratedragon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-58114 prostratedragon Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:12:07 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-58114 <p><i>bought by real estate interests near Milwaukee say otherwise.</i></p> <p>Now that would be selling yourself fucking cheap. For the last great freshwater resource in the world, that does not even rise to the level of a decent lentil soup.<br /> (Native Chicagoan; apologies to my Milwaukee relatives, but Jeez!)</p> bought by real estate interests near Milwaukee say otherwise.

Now that would be selling yourself fucking cheap. For the last great freshwater resource in the world, that does not even rise to the level of a decent lentil soup.
(Native Chicagoan; apologies to my Milwaukee relatives, but Jeez!)

]]> By: klynn http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-58045 klynn Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:46:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-58045 <p>bmaz</p> <blockquote><p>How is “practicle and consistent with national security” determind in regards to FISA? </p></blockquote> <p>Couldn’t one “drive a truck” through that language or rather “not” drive a truck through?</p> bmaz

How is “practicle and consistent with national security” determind in regards to FISA?

Couldn’t one “drive a truck” through that language or rather “not” drive a truck through?

]]> By: klynn http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-58041 klynn Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:31:36 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-58041 <p>bobs @ 49</p> <blockquote><p>Now a series of 1000 withdrawals of $5, to make $5,000, was a red flag.</p> <p>Davidson said that another layer of scrutiny was of PEP–”politically exposed persons”–which includes even the relatives of elected officials. Their bank accounts got an even finer-toothed comb.</p></blockquote> <p>There is also the PIP software that scrutinizes Politically Informed Persons who comment at EW, FDL, TPM…</p> <p>Those $$$ withdrawals of $20 on a weekly pattern of 52 weeks annually gets you put into the system and red-flagged…</p> <p>Thanks for the info Bob.</p> <p>on topic: bmaz I am with you on the need for a harsh penalty to secure true information…</p> <p>The “factual determinations” section makes me uneasy simply by your point of cherry picking. </p> <blockquote><p>…to the extent practicable and consistent with national security, request that any party present briefs and arguments on any legal question the court determines is raised by such a submission even if that party does not have full access to such submission.</p></blockquote> <p>How is “practicle and consistent with national security” determind in regards to FISA?</p> bobs @ 49

Now a series of 1000 withdrawals of $5, to make $5,000, was a red flag.

Davidson said that another layer of scrutiny was of PEP–”politically exposed persons”–which includes even the relatives of elected officials. Their bank accounts got an even finer-toothed comb.

There is also the PIP software that scrutinizes Politically Informed Persons who comment at EW, FDL, TPM…

Those $$$ withdrawals of $20 on a weekly pattern of 52 weeks annually gets you put into the system and red-flagged…

Thanks for the info Bob.

on topic: bmaz I am with you on the need for a harsh penalty to secure true information…

The “factual determinations” section makes me uneasy simply by your point of cherry picking.

…to the extent practicable and consistent with national security, request that any party present briefs and arguments on any legal question the court determines is raised by such a submission even if that party does not have full access to such submission.

How is “practicle and consistent with national security” determind in regards to FISA?

]]> By: Synoia http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-58036 Synoia Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:13:21 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-58036 <p>Do pardons cover civil suits? They cover criminal actions, but not civil actions, I think.</p> <p>If someone encroaches on my land, and I sue, the Government cannot intervene and forgive the person encroaching, because that then is a taking of my land without compensation - Clearly not constitutional.</p> Do pardons cover civil suits? They cover criminal actions, but not civil actions, I think.

If someone encroaches on my land, and I sue, the Government cannot intervene and forgive the person encroaching, because that then is a taking of my land without compensation – Clearly not constitutional.

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-58009 bobschacht Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:01:33 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-58009 <p>What is the legal basis for enhanced surveillance of PEPs–”politically exposed persons”? Is this in legislation, or is it an executive regulations, or what? Anyway, as I originally suspected, it seems made to order for Karl Rove.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> What is the legal basis for enhanced surveillance of PEPs–”politically exposed persons”? Is this in legislation, or is it an executive regulations, or what? Anyway, as I originally suspected, it seems made to order for Karl Rove.

Bob in HI

]]> By: perris http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-57994 perris Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:07:54 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-57994 <p>I love that idea</p> I love that idea

]]> By: PetePierce http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-57993 PetePierce Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:02:03 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-57993 <p>These articles may be helfpul in detailing how the DOJ and Tresasury Departments allege Spitzer was targeted. I still believe the SWIFT data base is being illegally adopted by the CIA, and illegally used by DOJ, that it is illegal as applied to US citizens operated in Belgium, that there are no safeguards for US citizens now vis a vis SWIFT as Mary pointed out in the thread before this. If SWIFT was used to get the data initially on Spitzer, then it was illegally done. However the hastily contrived cover story for US Attorney Garcia goes along the lines of these links. What they did worked because the airhead media is following Spitzer’s limo to his resignation the way they followed OJ, Martha Stewart, and Britney.</p> <p>The government would defend any attempt at discovering how they actually got the information in the first place with a State Secrets argument if Spitzer’s attorney <strong><a href="http://www.paulweiss.com/lawyers/detail.aspx?attorney=719" rel="nofollow">Michele Hirshman</a></strong> who used to be his first Deputy Attorney General in NY and was chief of the Public Corruption Unity in the S.D.N.Y. for eleven years. They have a front story that is extremely shaky along the lines of a standard IT interception as outlined below:</p> <p><strong><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=643" rel="nofollow">Eliot Spitzer’s Software Nightmare</a></strong></p> <p><strong><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8211" rel="nofollow">How an information system helped nail Eliot Spitzer and a prostitution ring</a></strong></p> <p><strong><a href="http://www.fincen.gov/" rel="nofollow"><br /> Financial Crimes Enforcement Network</a></strong></p> <p><strong><a href="http://www.fincen.gov/sars/sar_by_numb_09.pdf" rel="nofollow">SAR Activity Review By the Numbers</a></strong></p> These articles may be helfpul in detailing how the DOJ and Tresasury Departments allege Spitzer was targeted. I still believe the SWIFT data base is being illegally adopted by the CIA, and illegally used by DOJ, that it is illegal as applied to US citizens operated in Belgium, that there are no safeguards for US citizens now vis a vis SWIFT as Mary pointed out in the thread before this. If SWIFT was used to get the data initially on Spitzer, then it was illegally done. However the hastily contrived cover story for US Attorney Garcia goes along the lines of these links. What they did worked because the airhead media is following Spitzer’s limo to his resignation the way they followed OJ, Martha Stewart, and Britney.

The government would defend any attempt at discovering how they actually got the information in the first place with a State Secrets argument if Spitzer’s attorney Michele Hirshman who used to be his first Deputy Attorney General in NY and was chief of the Public Corruption Unity in the S.D.N.Y. for eleven years. They have a front story that is extremely shaky along the lines of a standard IT interception as outlined below:

Eliot Spitzer’s Software Nightmare

How an information system helped nail Eliot Spitzer and a prostitution ring


Financial Crimes Enforcement Network

SAR Activity Review By the Numbers

]]> By: IntelVet http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-57992 IntelVet Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:01:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-57992 <p>On a Mac, 10.5, Leopard.</p> <p>Activate Finder or any Cocoa written app like Safari, Mail, etc.(make name next to black apple on upper left side of screen read as, say, Finder - or click once the two-faced icon in Dock.) </p> <p>With mouse, select Edit -> Special Characters….</p> <p>Will give you a floating Character palette. If not already there, open Symbols and select “Numbers and Number Symbols.</p> On a Mac, 10.5, Leopard.

Activate Finder or any Cocoa written app like Safari, Mail, etc.(make name next to black apple on upper left side of screen read as, say, Finder – or click once the two-faced icon in Dock.)

With mouse, select Edit -> Special Characters….

Will give you a floating Character palette. If not already there, open Symbols and select “Numbers and Number Symbols.

]]> By: BayStateLibrul http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-57991 BayStateLibrul Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:54:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-57991 <p>You can ask Ted Wells?</p> You can ask Ted Wells?

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/comment-page-1/#comment-57989 bmaz Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:34:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/11/think-outside-the-box/#comment-57989 <p>Bob - Is that a British PEP or an American PEP there? Sure looks British….</p> Bob – Is that a British PEP or an American PEP there? Sure looks British….

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