As you all undoubtedly know by now, the huge breaking news is about New York Governor Elliot Spitzer's apparent ties to a prostitution ring. The New York Times reports:
Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides inside his Fifth Avenue apartment early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He scheduled an announcement for 2:15 after inquiries from the Times.
Mr. Spitzer, a first-term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
Spitzer has now held a brief press conference where he admitted that he had betrayer the trust of his family and the public and is going to take "some time" to work out his path forward.
It appears that this emanates out of the arrest and charging last Thursday, March 6, 2008, of four people said to be involved in an international prostitution ring. The investigation and charges were announced by the office of Michael J. Garcia, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York (SDNY).
Federal authorities arrested four people Thursday on charges of running an online prostitution ring that serviced clients in New York, Paris and other cities and took in more than $1 million in profits over four years.
The ring, known as the Emperor’s Club V.I.P., had 50 prostitutes available for appointments in New York, Washington, Miami, London and Paris, according to a complaint unsealed on Thursday in Federal District Court in Manhattan. The appointments, made by telephone or through an online booking service, cost $1,000 to $5,500 an hour and could be paid for with cash, credit card, wire transfers or money orders, the complaint said.
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As part of the investigation, federal agents worked with a woman who claimed to have worked for the Emperor’s Club as a prostitute in 2006, according to court papers. An undercover agent posed as a potential client and arranged appointments by phone and online.After obtaining authorization to tap the club’s phones, federal agents recorded more than 5,000 calls and text messages and had access to 6,000 e-mail messages, court papers said. Many of these were somewhat mundane requests for appointments. The authorities — the case was investigated by the Internal Revenue Service and the F.B.I. — did not identify any of the clients.
Now, already questions have been raised about whether there is any tie in to all of the wiretapping/snooping/driftnetting we have been discussing, the possibility of payback by prior Spitzer targets such as former NYSE chief Dick Grasso, Maurice Greenberg and others. These are all valid topics for discussion, so trash talk it up folks.
Clearly from the Times article, the investigation, and Spitzer's portion in particular, emanate out of a wiretapping investigation. So, we know that much, but are there any tie ins to our usual subjects of interest? The other subject I am interested in is what effect this revelation has for Democratic politics, both national and in New York, and what implications it has for the upcoming elections. There are a ton of facets to unpack here, jump in and start unpacking.
UPDATE ONE: Here is a link to a PDF of the criminal complaint in the prostitution case. Spitzer is apparently "Client 9". I do not know much about Michael Garcia, the USA for SDNY. He appears to have been a career prosecutor with the USA office in SDNY for about ten years between 1992 and 2001 and then acting head of the INS for the Bush Administration before being named USA for SDNY. If anybody (paging LHP) knows any more helpful information on Garcia, please post in comments.
Also, the Republican Governor's Conference has already come out with a statement deploring Spitzer's tawdry conduct and demanding his resignation. Good to hear that come from a squeaky clean outfit like the GOP eh? There are signs emerging that Spitzer will, indeed, resign quickly. That would promote the Lieutenant Governor of New York, David Paterson, to the top spot in Albany. Paterson is a lawyer, long time New York activist and politician and is apparently well thought of. Interestingly, he is legally blind. Sounds at first blush like a pretty admirable guy.
UPDATE TWO: Jane reminds us that Spitzer's campaign theme was to "Bring The Passion Back To Albany". This part is starting to porm some credible basis for the suspicions we have been discussing about DOJ and snooping irregularities being involved in the mix. From Jane's article at FDL:
A source familiar with the investigation into the Emperor's Club prostitution ring says that the defendants in the case are the head of the club, the day-to-day business manager and two booking agents. Further, the case has apparently been done for quite a while, and the US Attorney in charge -- Michael Garcia -- "has been tearing his hair out" trying to get someone higher up at the DoJ in Washington to look at the prosecution memo and sign off, because of the need to get their authorization before indicting a public figure.
Garcia continued to pursue the case pending the authorization for indictment (a common prosecutorial practice), which is how the February 13 encounter (below) was included in the complaint. There are also evidently surveillance reports of Spitzer entering the hooker's hotel room, in addition to audio tapes from the wiretaps.
I wonder if the delay from DOJ Main was in order to make sure to roll up a high flying Democrat before rendering an indictment?
UPDATE THREE: Well, the gig may be up. Is looking like it was Spitzer they were after all along. From ABC News via TPM:
The federal investigation of a New York prostitution ring was triggered by Gov. Eliot Spitzer's suspicious money transfers, initially leading agents to believe Spitzer was hiding bribes, according to federal officials.
It was only months later that the IRS and the FBI determined that Spitzer wasn't hiding bribes but payments to a company called QAT, what prosecutors say is a prostitution operation operating under the name of the Emperors Club. …The suspicious financial activity was initially reported by a bank to the IRS which, under direction from the Justice Department, brought in the FBI's Public Corruption Squad.
"We had no interest at all in the prostitution ring until the thing with Spitzer led us to learn about it," said one Justice Department official
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Okay, game on. This is starting to reek.
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The second I heard the Feds were involved I became suspicious. Spitzer is such a high-profile target.
EPUd from downstairs…
I don’t think you need high-tech surveillance to bust someone for patronizing a prostitute - nor does it necessarily have to involve the US Attorney scandal. Spitzer has lots of enemies, from Rudy to Frank Bruno to any number of powerful people on Wall Street, it would not be a stretch to think that they were having him tailed the old-fashioned way, or simply that one of the girls or the pimps squealed. Whatever you think of the sex aspect of it, I’m not even sure prostitution is a crime in DC or NY (as opposed to solicitation for the purposes in a public place) very bad judgment by Spitzer, just like it was bad judgment for Bill Clinton to take up with Monica.
PS Although the NYT is stating that Spitzer may have violated the Mann Act by arranging for the prostitute to cross state lines for immoral purposes, by arranging for her to meet him in Washington from NYC. So, there may be a federal angle for Spitzer to be charged, although I doubt it, the targets seem to be the pimps, and Spitzer is very high-value collateral damage.
How fing stupid can you be, literally.
And as I commented on FDL, apparently this wasn’t his first time:
Apparently the feds are involved because people are being charged under the Mann Act, as the prostitutes crossed state lines. I don’t really see how it has implications for November. It’s just sad, f**king sad. I’m pissed. A career (and maybe a family) goes down in flames because of sheer stupidity, lust, and hubris. Who takes his place if (when) he resigns?
As to the Democratic politics, better to get this out of the way long before the fall elections, where the Dems have a chance to get the State Senate - Spitzer’s ability to pull this off had been in doubt even before this scandal due to other potential scandals. If Hillary is elected President, and Spitzer resigns, NY politics is wide open - vacant Senate seat, vacant governors’ chair….does Bloomberg go for Governor? Does RFK Jr? Or does he go for the Senate as the heir to his father’s name, it was interesting that RFK Jr. didn;t go on the Obama train with Teddy and Caroline….
He’s going to try to ride this out. He’d be able to, I think, if he didn’t have the rep as a crusader.
It’s amazing to me that people can screw up like this, given our scandal history, but then again, human nature is immutable.
“After obtaining authorization to tap the club”.
BMAZ, Don’t you think they got authorization so as to look better in the public’s eye? But really, didn’t the leak spring thru the Quantico Switch?
The Goopers would attack any wiretap as illegal, claim invasion of privacy, march out the troops of decency to opine as to their saviour’s forthrightness and valour (and how often he changes his soiled diapers), claim that he’s already repented and been Saved Again, claim this hoop-di-doo is no more than attempted political payback, claim that the prostitute was an illegal alien (Ms. Abducted from Chiang Mai, perhaps) who should be arrested, and then claim she didn’t give fair value for the money allegedly paid.
And Democrats are wondering whether Gov. Spitzer should resign at 4.00 or 5.00 pm today?
What are they thinking? This isn’t about Mr. Spitzer’s personal life; family, friends, prosecutors and supporters can do that separately. The public fight is about his political position. Sort out the wheat from the chafe. Explore the options. Line up alternatives to maintain political control if events legitimately require a change of personnel.
This is NOT a parlour game; it is a streetfight over political power in New York, New York City, Wall Street and nationally. Those knives ain’t rubber. Fight back.
There have been times I’ve wondered why the Democrats seem to go against their constituents interests, some of it just didn’t make sense…unless, I thought, the Republicans have something on them. I think this happens to be one that popped up unexpectedly (no pun). Wall Street, K Street, the Mayflower…remember the rumors around John Dean and the tin foiled hat theory that the burglars were after a list of “John’s”? Moses went to the mountain and when he came back down there was a party going on. That’s what we’re here for, I vote for more liberal sex laws. Let’s be like “Old Europe”!
At least it wasn’t a betrayal involving public toilet stalls at airports and people of the same sex (not that there’s anything wrong with being gay…it’s the hypocrisy).
The Dems betray their family is slightly less sordid ways than the Rethugs. I was going to say that they also do it without first setting themselves up on a pedestal while decrying “immorality” blah blah and then being guilty of the very act that they were vehemently moralizing against but Numbnuts Spitzer came in on a platform that included NOT doing the same old same old politician shit.
As for ramifications for the Democraps in the general election, I just don’t see any tie-in unless a bunch of others wide and far are also about to get outed (perhaps due to illegal warrantless wiretapping by BushCo that started prior to 9/11).
One measly NY Dem politico with a dick escaped from his pants doesn’t do jack to the overall party.
Spitzer has decided to tough it out for a while, probably commissioning polls and seeing if he can survive with an apology and the rehab route - if he has violated the relevant DC or NY prostitution statutes, I don’t see how he can stay on, given the fact that he is a Democrat, and only Republicans like Vitter are allowed to stay in office and use hookers at the same time.
An indictment under the federal Mann Act - essentially, transporting persons across state lines for immoral purposes - gets the fight out of New York state court and into national, federal court. The relentlessly non-partisan and even-minded judiciary appointed by George Bush, guided by the relentlessly ethical, forthright and fair as George Washington Ashcroft/Gonzales/Mukasey Department of Justice.
Normal patterns of discovery and investigation of unethical or criminal conduct in public office NO LONGER APPLY. Yes, there is work to do to restore those patterns. But it hasn’t been done yet. This is still the Bush administration.
The only dirty trick Karl Rove dislikes is one he hasn’t thought of yet. Spitzer may have been stupid, he may have committed illegal acts. Maybe not. But he is primarily a political target.
Quite so. We’ll see how it plays out, but some of the more bizarre speculation (the Mann Act?! Shades of Jack Johnson!) sounds intended to stampede the herd to me.
I’ll be glad when it’s no longer necessary to mistrust everything that comes down the pike.
I don’t know about the authorization question. You are supposed to get authorization; maybe something was simply just done right for once. Time will tell. I will say this, the USA office for SDNY has for a very long time had a reputation for being one of the finest in the land. I am sure that during the W years it has taken a few hits to it’s core, but there is a lot of good solid history there and, to the best of my knowledge, it has stayed fairly above board.
By the way, I did an update with some links for documents and also some info on Spitzer’s likely successor.
Indeed it truly has. Not to mention a former judge from the district in Justice.
Ooo, I hope Garcia wasn’t at INS very long, just out of concern for the man. Even before the DHS era, that place could ruin anyone’s mojo from what many foreign students and green card holders have told me.
I must need a new tinfoil hat to wonder if somebody at the WSJ had a heads-up about Spitzer and decided to print the Gorman story today?
Nah, couldn’t be….
Imagine the number of senior Democrats and their most lucrative supporters whose communications would be captured by this Department of Justice’s notion of “legitimate” domestic surveillance. Direct? One degree of separation? Two? Three? This investigation/prosecution would legitimate one helluva lot of oppo research.
This may be a legitimate investigation. And if Spitzer has committed some wrong, it should be investigated and appropriate action taken. But in light of Don Siegelman’s experience in nationally obscure Alabama, the investigation’s credibility should not be assumed.
This is the Bush administration. In an election year. An election that could witness the toppling Republican electoral prospects as resoundingly as if they were golden calves in the Sinai. A modicum of skepticism and public questioning would seem appropriate.
Heh heh, well that isn’t a positive at this point….
Uh, yeah. Of course, the USA and judiciary live separately, and I seriously agree about the high rep of the former. They’re practically street legends in the City.
But this tale here seems to have a nastily political arc to me, whatever foolishness and foibles are also involved in it.
Man, isn’t that the truth. That is exactly why what Bush did in terms of purging the USAs and politicizing the DOJ is so freaking critical, and why the Democrats are so totally derelict in not forcing accountability through impeachment.
Ishmael @7 - That is exactly the kind of political ramifications I was wondering about. This is a pretty big tree to fall over; it is going to have some effects.
Amazing, a man having sex with a woman. A democratic fundamental desecration o’ craptastic
Amazing, a man having sex with children, boy children or male military hotstuds. None of your damn business cuz it’s republican fun and you aren’t invited.
too bad it didn’t happen in nevada where no one cares. their gubner even had charges brought against him cause a gal wouldn’t give in. Didn’t come to anything though. It stayed in vegas
Republican governors think Mr. Spitzer should resign? Just like their Republican president vowed to fire any of his White House staff involved in leaking the name of a covert intelligence operative, unless, of course, it was somebody he knew and who Cheney relied on to get things done. Not that Bush’s behavior should be a precedent for normal behavior.
I assume from Spitzer’s reported behavior that essential elements of the indictment pertaining to him are true. Sad, stupid. If so, I would expect that the only thing on his plate is lining up to transfer power as seamlessly as possible.
This is a pity for all progressives; a potentially great resource for positive reform has been sidetracked, possibly permanently. Let’s hope Spitzer and the Democratic leadership mimics Johnson & Johnson’s former management by making this their Tylenol moment. Show the American public how such painful problems ought to be handled, both for the benefit of those directly involved, and to illustrate how Republicans religiously do it differently.
Hmm, now Josh is linking to a NY Sun story saying that the the public corruption unit from the SDNY has been handling the case:
During a court hearing in the case, at which the four people were arraigned, it emerged that all three of the assistant U.S. attorneys assigned to the prosecution are part of the U.S. attorney’s public corruption unit. One is the bureau’s chief, Boyd Johnson III. The unit investigates wrongdoing by both elected and nonelected officials and bureaucrats at various levels of government. …
Wow. This raises some questions. Did the investigation originate with Spitzer? Or did they just stumble on his phone#/name during the course of the wire tap? If the latter, who were the original investigators? One would think a prostitution ring would be investigated on the local level. Did it get handed over to the feds when they figured out crimes were crossing state lines? Or did it get handed over to the feds as a “public corruption” investigation? And what exactly is corrupt about a politician hiring a hooker? Stupid and immoral, sure. But “corruption” in this context would involve misuse of office/funds, etc. Was Spitzer steering work their way? Dole out a contract? Lotsa variables here…
What if — just for a minute — what if it was the money-laundering that got swept up in the Treasury-to-NSA financial transactions driftnet; which then led to the prostitution, which then led to “legal” wiretaps that picked up Spitzer? Isn’t that called fruit of the poisoned tree?
Eh, I dunno. Depending on how the office is set up and staffed, vice cases could/would fall under the public corruption division. And as interstate and international as this appears to be, there is no reason it could not have started on the Fed level as opposed to state or city. All valid questions, and we should, and must, keep probing in all of those directions, but I don’t see anything of substance yet that makes this more than what it appears to be. Hell of a lot of questions to be looked at seriously though, and it is only two hours into the story…. Keep asking and pondering!
Stolen from a caller on the Sean Hannity show:
See, even wingnuts can be funny sometimes!
That is certainly not out of the question; especially in light of the fact that the IRS seems to be knee deep into the underlying investigation. I always have questions when the IRS is slated as lead or co-lead on a criminal investigation that is not straight up tax fraud. I hate cross-pollinization of regular criminal cases with IRS; there is a lot of opportunity for mischief (that is one of my beefs with the Clemens persecution, and there will be some pretty ugly facts come out in this regard there before it is all over).
Fox news, so take it for what it’s worth:
17 - Don’t you wonder, though, if they didn’t just pick up lots of spare info over the years, covertly keep lots of it on tapper, and when the “right” interesting names popped, then they put in a, oh, what do those FeeBee boys like to call them, oh yeah, “Clean teams” ?
Basically, I think Spitzer is an idiot, but I don’t buy that the investigation was “clean” either.
[btw - saw the comment on the AT&T thread and I agree]
Huffpo, btw, is running screen grabs from the old site.
http://images.huffingtonpost.c.....iginal.jpg
Let’s talk about Guckert’s overnights, too.
Gary Hart, Bill Clinton, now Elliot Spitzer. Breaks my heart to see smart talented men think they are too clever to get caught doing something that they must know will derail their political careers. At least Bill’s stupidity was just your garden variety extramarital affair. Prostitution is a whole different ball game. I think Spitzer is done.
As for comparions to Vitter, it is unlikely that he will be reelected. The only reason he remains in Congress is the GOP needs him there for now. As Governor, Spitzer has got no one running cover for him to keep him in place. Idiot.
Sad.
But I’m so pleased for the clarification this provides:
THINGS THAT EVADE LEGAL PENALTIES:
1. Lying about WMD
2. Outing a CIA agent
3. Hanging out with adolescent male House pages
4. Legalizing torture
5. Toe-tapping in the men’s restrooms
6. Inventing no-bid contracts for private mercenaries
7. Selling billions in bogus mortgages
8. Bringing a male prostitute to the WH (repeatedly)
9. Laundering money
10. Illegally wiretapping citizens…
Okay, I’d better stop now; this list could be endless…and I have to get back to work…
THINGS FOR WHICH YOU WILL NEED A LEGAL DEFENSE ATTY:
1. Being a Democrat who pays money for sex
2. Being a Democrat who has sex in the WH (with a member of the opposite sex).
2. Challenging a Republican for the governorship of Alabama.
FauxNewz will be so grateful. They needed something to howl about, and Spitzer’s just handed them his ass on a platter.
If he is “Client #9,” who are clients # 1-8?
Uh, oh…Cafferty says his guess is that other shoes to fall on this…
Given the cost of this particular service, I would be very very surprised if there weren’t.
This may give a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill some pause in the whole FISA stalemate.
Given that everything that comes out of the DOJ is eminently suspect as corrupt, doesn’t this case illustrate what could and has been done to the opposition?
I don’t know about anybody else but the WSJ story on the driftnet, combined with the Quantico Switch from last week, and then this today — how incurious and submissive do you have to be to not wonder?
Oh, I agree, it may well be some dirty poisonous fruit that has been sandpapered and scrubbed to be run by a “clean team”. I am just pointing out that I don’t see any direct evidence of it yet, so it is at least feasible that it is a straight up investigation. Of course, even if that is the case, you sure wonder about the juxtaposition vis avis the DC Madam case, where they have refused to even talk about the important and political johns; that in spite of the fact that the defendant wants them to assist her defense. An interesting dichotomy in the treatment of the johns if you ask me….
OT: Marcy, have you seen this? It’s about Rove’s latest speech in Iowa.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/10/rove-iowa/
Yup. You’d have to be brain-dead not to connect a few dots.
Perhaps that’s the real question we need to be asking… How come the DC Madam’s case is being treated differently than this one. If there is reason to believe Spitzer is being unfairly treated, seems to me this would be the place to start.
Marcy is in transit, but i have seen that and am working on a post about that combined with a couple of other related bits. Have a couple of work things I am also trying to take care of, so it will be a little bit…
OK - I got it.
The driftnet story hits the WSJ (A1, above the fold, 3 columns; inside page next to the LTE, 2/3 of the whole page) this morning.
The Spitzer case hits the wires this afternoon. Case made by … wiretaps and email intercepts.
Message to Wall Street: “We know what you do, with whom, and for how much. You will do as you are told.”
Just e-mailed my partner (who is blind) about the possibility of the US having its first blind governor. Would be pretty cool.
Does the NY Lieutenant Governor get to serve the balance of Spitzer’s term, or is there an election at the first opportunity?
Update on the crimes of Larry Craig.
Last week there was a Jury Trial in Hennepin County District Court that involved the same stall in the same men’s room, and the same cop, but a different customer. Upshot, the customer was able to establish sufficient doubt in the minds of the Jury to achieve an acquital. Cop could not prove that his toe tapping came after the toe tapping of the charged, and thus the argument that the cop enticed the response prevailed.
Message to Craig I guess — You should have demanded a Jury Trial in the first place. The Appeals Court has not yet acted on his petition to withdraw his guilty plea, but there has been at least one round of briefs filed. Apparently the Jury Trial noted above involved Defense by the Public Defender’s Office. I don’t know whether the outcome of this trial will impact the manner in which the Hennepin County Attorney addresses these kinds of cases.
Yes, and can we get Mark Foley to answer some questions too? Is he out of rehab yet for his “alcoholism?”
Spitzer’s other activities on Feb. 14 in DC:
Feb 14 Prepared Testimony for the House Committee on Financial Services (pdf) (Other documents related to the hearing here)
Feb 14 Elliot Spitzer, Washington Post Op-Ed, Predatory Lenders’ Partner in Crime
There’s some blogging on these around, too.
Thanks Sara.
I am not positive, but I believe he serves out the term.
Now this is fascinating. According to TPM, the original wiretap was from January 8 to February 7, when it expired. However, the day before Spitzer was caught up, the wiretap was reissued. Now that is pretty interesting….
Here is a link to the FBI search warrant affidavit that has been discussed.
Try @52.
The local CBS affiliate is reporting Spitzer is to resign and Paterson sworn in at 7 pm.
Well, a renewed wiretap by itself is nothing special, happens all the time - the issue is, was the wiretap itself a “duck-blind” that the investigation was holed up in waiting for a big Democratic duck to get on tape eventually? Very tough to prove, and without evidence that the prostitute was acting as some kind of police agent provacateur, probably very hard to raise into an entrapment defence or otherwise become legally relevant - or maybe they just got lucky. Even if the investigation was spurred into action by the prominence of Spitzer as a customer, and no other real law enforcement priority, he still stumbled into the trap.
25 years ago, I was living in Manhattan’s Upper West Side (Ungentrified). I knew Dave Paterson from school days on Long Island. At that time he was working on his early campaigns to represent Upper Manhattan and Harlem as a State Representative. There were several weekends of going door-to-door in GOTV operations. Hard work, but a good time.
Short story is that Dave was successful at campaigning. He is also successful at representing his constitutents. He eventually moved into the NYS Senate and became Minority Leader at at time of Republican ascendancy. IMHO he is a good people’s representative and a strong politician.
He is legally blind, and that is basically irrelevant. He has damn near a photographic memory and a ’steel trap mind’. He can and has played with the Big Dogs.
Jane reminds us that Spitzer’s campaign theme was to “Bring The Passion Back To Albany“. This part is starting to porm some credible basis for the suspicions we have been discussing about DOJ and snooping irregularities being involved in the mix. From Jane’s article at FDL:
I wonder if the delay from DOJ Main was in order to make sure to roll up a high flying Democrat before rendering an indictment?
This comment was also added as an update to the main post.
Heh heh, the tipos return. “Porm” should read “form”.
Persecution or prosecution?
I’m interested in the public corruption angle vs the run of the mill vice investigation. As we know, the provision of hookers was a big part of the Duke Cunningham bribery case - are the hookers the McGuffin here, and the larger story one of using them to influence politicians, besides Spitzer?
42 - I don’t even know that I think there is any taint, it’s just a level of what I believe, institutionally, about the people who are putting the cases together these days that I can’t imagine trusting any one of them about anything.
It’s kind of sad, but I have a hard time believing any USAs office has good people with integrity left in them. Who would fit that bill and still be working, years into it, for torturers?
Yeah, I dunno; but I am rethinking my earlier statement that it might not be significant that it was under the Public Corruption group. I believe it is significant; now the question is is that group involved out of caution or for nefarious reasons?
I want tapes from Watergate and Weston hotel security cameras.
Spitzer Aides Cited for Use of Police to Tarnish Bruno
This dust up may provide a connection. Spitzer was good at making enemies.
Some things are not forgotten.
There was talk of indicting him under the Mann Act
EW:
In New York, most people are going to view this as Spitzer’s problem, and not as general Democratic problem. Outside of the very major exception that he’s the governor, this probably won’t affect NY Democrats very much.
Nationally, I suspect those who associate NY Liberals with the Democratic Party in general, will use this as further confirmation of their biases. Other than that, I think most people will read it as most New Yorkers will, that is to say, as Spitzer’s problem, not the Dems.
It’s not as if Spitzer is another in a long string of recent sex scandals like the Republicans have been experienceing.
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What is the Public Corruption Group exactly? Is it DOJ > Office of Inspector General > Public Integrity Section > Public Corruption Group?
I’m in NY and an active Dem. My phone has been ringing off the hook (from party people) since this broke. Emails faster tahn I can open them,
NYS Dems do not merely regard this as Spitzer’s problem, they are regarding it (at least today) as a body blow to the party.
Tomorrow when the shock wears off, maybe things will seem brighter
No, it is a unit within the USAO SDNY. It’s my old stomping ground.
While the Bruno affair obviously added to his list, I still think it’s the big bucks that were lining up against him that explains so much of why this reeks —aside from the power vacuum in NYS that could last for years, as someone pointed out.
It seems also that Spitzer was some kind of point man among state regulators who were worried about the “monolines,” or the municipal bond insurers (who are misnamed, because they obviously had other lines that have been getting them into trouble).
The pressure to get those insurers to clean up their balance sheets has had some widereaching reverb the last few months.
Well, the gig may be up. Is looking like it was Spitzer they were after all along. From ABC News via TPM:
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Okay, game on. This is starting to reek.
Per Brian Ross at ABC News:
The feds caught the prostitution ring when they were looking at Spitzer’s financials, and not the other way around:
[my emphasis]
Told you this was a political hit. Spitzer’s too rich to need bribes - it’s an implausible reason to be looking at his financials.
BOYD M. JOHNSON I11
RITA GLAVIN
DANIEL STEIN
Assistant United States Attorneys - SDNY
Let’s track the aboves’ political donations, colleges attended, club memberships, their parents’ donations, who appointed them and when.
Yeah. He has always been well to do; plenty of money. I would like to get at the bank clerk or official that supposedly “noticed” this and reported it. Sounds weak. However, this is exactly the kind of info that the Bush Administration has recently been confirmed to be hoovering up.
I want to know what bank it was, the dollar amount and how many transfers occurred. I wonder of the dollar amount falls into the normal range for FBI involvement.
What did I tell you! So Spitzer’s “bankers got suspicious” and went to the IRS? Surrrrrre they did. Doesn’t Spitzer come from money? How many private banker type establishments are in the habit of ratting out their very well to do clientele to the feds? Right, none. Unless Spitzer banks with one of the Wall Street houses that he targeted while AG.
If anybody else out there is a Wire fan like me, you can image Maury Levy (crooked yet effective lawyer) running this all around in his mind, and getting rid to say: I can’t wait to get to discovery. I’ll guess a) that Spitzer never gets charged because b) the evidence is tainted.
Also: Why exactly if Spitzer was the original subject of the investigation has he not been charged, but the pimps/owners have been? This all fits EXACTLY into the politicized DOJ playbook.
Folks
First, thanks to bmaz for minding the shop. When will they have planes with wifi??
Just one point, from the NPR coverage I listened to while driving across LA (lovely, as always). They said this story came bc a law enforcement officer revealed this news.
Did Garcia leak this? If they have NOT YET indicted Spitzer, on what grounds? Yes, it would come out eventually, but I didn’t see DOJ releasing Vitter’s name.
Ah, now ABC news is saying he’s likely to be charged with “structuring” - repeated transactions just under $10,000. That’s more legit, depending on how many transactions are at issue. Still. Guess we’ll find out soon.
lol… can i just get a “Hells Yeah” for that headline?
From TPM:
So, it appears that the transfers didn’t trigger the $10K alarm threshold. As bmaz said in #73, ID the bank, branch, and clerk. If any. And if none don’t stop asking questions.
Okay folks, here may be my first useful nugget. I think the odds are close to 100% that Spitzer already has been indicted and it remains sealed temporarily to give him a chance to clean up his affairs and get the Lt. Governor sworn in. But the deed is done, you just don’t know it yet. Spritzer has probably known since at least Friday….
I’ll do as little imagining of Maury Levy as possible, thank you [shudder]!
Sorry to see that brilliant show end, though on the other hand I’m glad it didn’t overstay.
The ABC article says:
“Structuring” isn’t obscure. It is part of the lingo associated with Currency Transaction Reports. A CTR is required for transactions greater than $10,000 in currency. Structuring occurs when people try to avoid that requirement by doing 2 or more transactions close together, all below 10K, but greater in the aggregate. Most banks have computers looking at their business so they can comply with CTR obligations and a bunch of other stuff under the Bank Secrecy Act, the Patriot Act and other related laws. The system is usually set up to look at cash transactions daily and over a trailing two or three day period over even longer periods, looking for structured transactions.
With that in mind, just exactly why would a bank report on these transactions? Is there something happening in Spitzer’s cash transactions? Was he paying the hookers in cash, drawing out more than $10,000 in cash over some short period? And how could this happen with bribes? If he were receiving bribes, he would be depositing cash, not withdrawing it. There isn’t any reason to think this is possible, and if it did happen, it is absurd to think that he was depositing cash in small amounts to try to avoid having to file for receipt of larger bribes.
It is equally stupid to think he was drawing cash to pay a bribe. That makes no sense at all. It is a lot easier to see why he might be receiving bribes.
Bmaz is right, this is reeking weak.
I mean, i thought the headline was funny, not the event itself.
Talk about handing Fox News their talking point for the next six months…
Good points masaccio!
And the one that I’d like answered is:
Why was anybody at all watching the Democratic Govenor Spitzer?
‘Sokay, randiego, it is funny. I just bet I’m not the only one who didn’t notice at first.
What happened to the DC madame and Larry Flint’s forthcoming revelations regarding a number of Republican clients? Why do dems always have to step down? Vitter and Craig still have their jobs.
Client-4 asked if there was any “traceability,” and added that he could “get it ‘past my accountant and auditor as a business expense but you sometimes hear of these agencies getting busted, you know, that’s my really only concern, that’s why I don’t call more often.” LEWIS
responded: ‘I would say no . . . the tax ID for the business is
QAT Consulting.” Client-4 asked if that was a real company, and
LEWIS replied: ‘It is . . . it exists . . . there are real
offices in New York City.” Client-4 stated: “That’ s how they
usually come after you . . . fake company.” LEWIS replied:
“Exactly, just as long as you pay your taxes, you’re fine.”
Keep up the digging. I’m sure the politicization of the DoJ is the most important angle to this story.
However, I’m stuck on the fact that Spitzer would stray so close to Valentine’s Day. It looks like symbolism was on his mind, too, if he was out of that hotel room before 12:02am Feb 14.
Religion and its followers, whether they be hypocrites or otherwise, have imposed a brand of false morality on society that society is incapable of and is unwilling to adhere to. This is a matter of someone getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. All the hypocrites will point their fingers at Spitzer even as they themselves are guilty of the same acts or worse - even by their own standards. The difference is that these hypocrites have not yet been caught. There is no good reason why an adult woman (or a man) cannot rent her body to another adult person as he or she sees fit.
Headline from the Huffington Post Department of Unfortunately Unintentional Humor:
And with