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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Dude, that&#8217;s what they want.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/07/dude-thats-what-they-want/comment-page-2/#comment-57188</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some bugs are features.&lt;br /&gt;
Others are just bugs.&lt;br /&gt;
The difference can be, as they say, ‘contextual’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some bugs are features.<br />
Others are just bugs.<br />
The difference can be, as they say, ‘contextual’.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/07/dude-thats-what-they-want/comment-page-2/#comment-57175</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suspect?  Look at all the unintentional holes they patch every damned month.  There’s a point at which so many bugs must be features.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suspect?  Look at all the unintentional holes they patch every damned month.  There’s a point at which so many bugs must be features.</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/07/dude-thats-what-they-want/comment-page-2/#comment-57163</link>
		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Technically correct. There are bandwidth issues if one taps the complete US phone system from a central point. And the network is a mesh, not a start with a single routing point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically correct. There are bandwidth issues if one taps the complete US phone system from a central point. And the network is a mesh, not a start with a single routing point.</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/07/dude-thats-what-they-want/comment-page-2/#comment-57160</link>
		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You assume there are no backdoors in windows. We suspect there are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You assume there are no backdoors in windows. We suspect there are.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are still actions the government wants quashed, e.g. MO, ME, VT, NJ.  Here is a Walker 2007 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/07242007_order_state_puc.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;denial of the government’s request to squelch investigations in those states&lt;/a&gt;; and here a LichtblauRisenEtAl article about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/washington/16nsa.html?_r=2&amp;hp=&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at least one case which began in an eastern state&lt;/a&gt; re a mirror noc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still actions the government wants quashed, e.g. MO, ME, VT, NJ.  Here is a Walker 2007 <a href="http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/07242007_order_state_puc.pdf" rel="nofollow">denial of the government’s request to squelch investigations in those states</a>; and here a LichtblauRisenEtAl article about <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/washington/16nsa.html?_r=2&amp;hp=&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=print&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">at least one case which began in an eastern state</a> re a mirror noc.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s shine the light on all the spigots we can accurately identify.&lt;br /&gt;
Right now I know about 2. The magic door in SFO and now the Quantico Circuit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can add San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose, Seattle and Atlanta into that list.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s shine the light on all the spigots we can accurately identify.<br />
Right now I know about 2. The magic door in SFO and now the Quantico Circuit.</p>
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<p>You can add San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose, Seattle and Atlanta into that list.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/07/dude-thats-what-they-want/comment-page-2/#comment-57120</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The entire network was supposed to be hardened after 9/11.  We spent huge gobs of money on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some guy who likely has NO security clearance was allowed to get close enough to see this “Quantico Circuit”, let alone the circuit exists without any rational, reasonable form of security on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everything the administration did to harden the nation’s information infrastructure has to be viewed with complete skepticism at this point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were Pasdar, I’d be terrified; I’d have papers on my person and locked away with trusted resources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s every bit as bad as we thought, and likely far worse.  There’s NOTHING that any commercial entity like Google could do that’s more egregious than this, short of &lt;i&gt;publishing&lt;/i&gt; personal information like our health care data.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire network was supposed to be hardened after 9/11.  We spent huge gobs of money on it.</p>
<p>Some guy who likely has NO security clearance was allowed to get close enough to see this “Quantico Circuit”, let alone the circuit exists without any rational, reasonable form of security on it.</p>
<p>Everything the administration did to harden the nation’s information infrastructure has to be viewed with complete skepticism at this point.</p>
<p>If I were Pasdar, I’d be terrified; I’d have papers on my person and locked away with trusted resources.</p>
<p>It’s every bit as bad as we thought, and likely far worse.  There’s NOTHING that any commercial entity like Google could do that’s more egregious than this, short of <i>publishing</i> personal information like our health care data.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Surf Dudes are our best weapon!  First Randiego and friends save the Trestles beach; now they’re kicking Eric Prince and Blackwater’s ass!  Clearly all we need to do is replace Pelosi, Hoyer, Emmanuel and Reid with Surfriders!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Surf Dudes are our best weapon!  First Randiego and friends save the Trestles beach; now they’re kicking Eric Prince and Blackwater’s ass!  Clearly all we need to do is replace Pelosi, Hoyer, Emmanuel and Reid with Surfriders!</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/07/dude-thats-what-they-want/comment-page-2/#comment-57118</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;dcgaffer, really appreciate your’s (and others) lucid explanations of extremely complex and changing telecom technologies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcgaffer, really appreciate your’s (and others) lucid explanations of extremely complex and changing telecom technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz will NOT be surprised…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bmaz, LHP, Mary anyone one of our LB’s… got a question:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we have written statements from telecoms and CCIA stating no immunity needed and we have whistle blowers (ATT, Verizon, Qwest)but congress votes to pass immunity because  they still state the arguement “telecoms need it,” does that not give us recourse?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz will NOT be surprised…</p>
<p>bmaz, LHP, Mary anyone one of our LB’s… got a question:</p>
<p>If we have written statements from telecoms and CCIA stating no immunity needed and we have whistle blowers (ATT, Verizon, Qwest)but congress votes to pass immunity because  they still state the arguement “telecoms need it,” does that not give us recourse?</p>
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