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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56321</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW, I’ve been out of town, so I’m way late on this thread.  But I do find the timing of this new EO really intriguing in light of Cheney’s recent house hunting expedition in Texas.  At that time, I wondered whether Hunt was none too pleased with BushCo giving the green light to the Turkish operation against the Kurds in Iraq.  And I wondered whether Hunt wanted a word with Cheney to share his displeasure.  Now I have no idea whether that scenario has any bearing on reality, but lets pretend that’s what actually happened.  And then lets say that Hunt told Cheney in no uncertain terms that Cheney better not jeopardize Hunt’s business interests in Iraq.  And then lets say Hunt followed that demand with a threat, along the lines of “I know things from the PFIAB that you don’t want to become public — got it?”.  And presto chango a new EO magically appears to minimize the damage that Hunt could inflict from his position on the PFIAB.  It is a curiuos coincidence of timing, don’t you think?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, I’ve been out of town, so I’m way late on this thread.  But I do find the timing of this new EO really intriguing in light of Cheney’s recent house hunting expedition in Texas.  At that time, I wondered whether Hunt was none too pleased with BushCo giving the green light to the Turkish operation against the Kurds in Iraq.  And I wondered whether Hunt wanted a word with Cheney to share his displeasure.  Now I have no idea whether that scenario has any bearing on reality, but lets pretend that’s what actually happened.  And then lets say that Hunt told Cheney in no uncertain terms that Cheney better not jeopardize Hunt’s business interests in Iraq.  And then lets say Hunt followed that demand with a threat, along the lines of “I know things from the PFIAB that you don’t want to become public — got it?”.  And presto chango a new EO magically appears to minimize the damage that Hunt could inflict from his position on the PFIAB.  It is a curiuos coincidence of timing, don’t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56232</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;;-))))&lt;br /&gt;
FOTFLMAO&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>;-))))<br />
FOTFLMAO</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56225</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding the Dem cave on FISA/Immunity, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_03/013231.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Drum notes&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But apparently both sides figured they’d get more mileage out of dragging things out: Republicans got to run their Traitorcrat ads while Democrats got to posture for their liberal base — all the while knowing perfectly well that this deal was almost certainly the eventual end state. Ladies and gentlemen, your Congress at work.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly, and just as importantly I imagine is that by stringing this out before rolling over, the Dem Leadersheep kept the question out of play for all the candidates for the entire critical portion of the primary schedule.  This will be a hundred tragedies behind by the time the general election rolls around in November.  It is all about petty political gamesmanship.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Dem cave on FISA/Immunity, <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_03/013231.php" rel="nofollow">Kevin Drum notes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>But apparently both sides figured they’d get more mileage out of dragging things out: Republicans got to run their Traitorcrat ads while Democrats got to posture for their liberal base — all the while knowing perfectly well that this deal was almost certainly the eventual end state. Ladies and gentlemen, your Congress at work.”</p>
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<p>Exactly, and just as importantly I imagine is that by stringing this out before rolling over, the Dem Leadersheep kept the question out of play for all the candidates for the entire critical portion of the primary schedule.  This will be a hundred tragedies behind by the time the general election rolls around in November.  It is all about petty political gamesmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56223</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. The President’s the boss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. Anything not compulsory is forbidden, unless I say so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Anything not forbidden is compulsory, unless I say so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. I can change my mind whenever I want. I can rewrite the &lt;strike&gt;rules &lt;/strike&gt;constitution whenever I want. I can rewrite history whenever I want.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5. I can change the rules retroactively.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6. I’m not guilty of anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7. Stop picking on Dana, Condi, Dick, Addington, Mukasey, and everyone else who works for me, or else you’ll be declared an enemy combatant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;8. It’s all about retroactive immunity for the telcos.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;9. The surge in Iraq is working.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;10. Stop picking on John McCain, or I’ll install my brother Jeb as the 2008 Republican nominee for President of these United States.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those are &lt;strike&gt;my &lt;/strike&gt; the new ten commandments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;11. Stop picking on God. He’s my closest confidante. He’s getting mad at you folks for picking on me, and has promised a new flood if y’all don’t settle down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:</p>
<p>1. The President’s the boss.</p>
<p>2. Anything not compulsory is forbidden, unless I say so.</p>
<p>3. Anything not forbidden is compulsory, unless I say so.</p>
<p>4. I can change my mind whenever I want. I can rewrite the <strike>rules </strike>constitution whenever I want. I can rewrite history whenever I want.</p>
<p>5. I can change the rules retroactively.</p>
<p>6. I’m not guilty of anything.</p>
<p>7. Stop picking on Dana, Condi, Dick, Addington, Mukasey, and everyone else who works for me, or else you’ll be declared an enemy combatant.</p>
<p>8. It’s all about retroactive immunity for the telcos.</p>
<p>9. The surge in Iraq is working.</p>
<p>10. Stop picking on John McCain, or I’ll install my brother Jeb as the 2008 Republican nominee for President of these United States.</p>
<p>Those are <strike>my </strike> the new ten commandments.</p>
<p>11. Stop picking on God. He’s my closest confidante. He’s getting mad at you folks for picking on me, and has promised a new flood if y’all don’t settle down.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56217</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How hard will it be to re-route the Potomac through DC?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can we hope that the next President will overturn all of Shrub’s EOs and directives, and clean out the stables that Bush has made of so much of the government?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or will we have to show up with the garden implements and the patio lights and help clean house?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How hard will it be to re-route the Potomac through DC?</p>
<p>Can we hope that the next President will overturn all of Shrub’s EOs and directives, and clean out the stables that Bush has made of so much of the government?</p>
<p>Or will we have to show up with the garden implements and the patio lights and help clean house?</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56212</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for post and citing the article.  My double post was unintentional, as was the reference to “Democrat” leadership.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That leadership continues to dumbfound.  It’s like they’re the new geeks at some trendy southern Californian high school and they can’t take the ribbing from the class clowns or the jocks.  They’re &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;so &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;eager to please, the ribbing can only escalate.  But it’s not school popularity they’re working with, its our civil liberties.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Dems know something critical about how bloody effective this extra-constitutional spying has been, they should put that before the electorate.  Since the Repubs haven’t done that, odds are pretty heavy it ain’t there.  If the Dems are being blackmailed by the GOP, better to fess up; the voters will re-elect most of them and turn out their blackmailers.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Dems are equally beholden to telecoms money - and spurious arguments about voters and jobs (presumably persuasive to someone like Webb in telecom-heavy Virginia) - we should cancel their public employment contracts and elect capable representatives like Donna Edwards in their place.  Those jobs will disappear offshore soon enough, as will the local tax base and community investment.  Our civil liberties, and holding abusive public officials accountable, are worth more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for post and citing the article.  My double post was unintentional, as was the reference to “Democrat” leadership.  </p>
<p>That leadership continues to dumbfound.  It’s like they’re the new geeks at some trendy southern Californian high school and they can’t take the ribbing from the class clowns or the jocks.  They’re <em><strong>so </strong></em>eager to please, the ribbing can only escalate.  But it’s not school popularity they’re working with, its our civil liberties.</p>
<p>If the Dems know something critical about how bloody effective this extra-constitutional spying has been, they should put that before the electorate.  Since the Repubs haven’t done that, odds are pretty heavy it ain’t there.  If the Dems are being blackmailed by the GOP, better to fess up; the voters will re-elect most of them and turn out their blackmailers.  </p>
<p>If the Dems are equally beholden to telecoms money &#8211; and spurious arguments about voters and jobs (presumably persuasive to someone like Webb in telecom-heavy Virginia) &#8211; we should cancel their public employment contracts and elect capable representatives like Donna Edwards in their place.  Those jobs will disappear offshore soon enough, as will the local tax base and community investment.  Our civil liberties, and holding abusive public officials accountable, are worth more.</p>
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		<title>By: Quebecois</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56210</link>
		<dc:creator>Quebecois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve alaways believed that in any abusive relationship, the last one to understand that there is abuse would be the abuser.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THese folks set out to abuse a country, a system, your constitution knowingly.  They’re taking sociopathy to a whole new level.  Corruption redifined, need a new word…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve alaways believed that in any abusive relationship, the last one to understand that there is abuse would be the abuser.  </p>
<p>THese folks set out to abuse a country, a system, your constitution knowingly.  They’re taking sociopathy to a whole new level.  Corruption redifined, need a new word…</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56209</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This was my entry for the IOB from my scandals list.  I will have to update but I wanted to point out.  That the new EO essentially strangles a dead dog.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;219. Another emasculation of oversight.  The Intelligence Oversight Board is a civilian intelligence oversight panel created in the 1970s with the purpose of notifying the President and the Attorney General of intelligence activities which it deems to be illegal.  During the first two years of the Bush Administration, the board was vacant.  During the first 5 1/2 years (2001-2006), the board made no notifications  –this was while the FBI was playing fast and loose with NSLs, the CIA was engaged in torture and black prisons, and the NSA was conducting massive warrantless wiretapping.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my entry for the IOB from my scandals list.  I will have to update but I wanted to point out.  That the new EO essentially strangles a dead dog.</p>
<p>219. Another emasculation of oversight.  The Intelligence Oversight Board is a civilian intelligence oversight panel created in the 1970s with the purpose of notifying the President and the Attorney General of intelligence activities which it deems to be illegal.  During the first two years of the Bush Administration, the board was vacant.  During the first 5 1/2 years (2001-2006), the board made no notifications  –this was while the FBI was playing fast and loose with NSLs, the CIA was engaged in torture and black prisons, and the NSA was conducting massive warrantless wiretapping.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the double post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding Horton’s early judgment on Mukasey, he expected him to be an objective, competent Attorney General.  Horton later admitted he had been dead wrong.  He now thinks Mukasey has abandoned any pretense of being the people’s chief law enforcement officer; he is George Bush’s criminal defense attorney.  In my words, a competent version of Alberto Gonzales’ Tom Hagan, consigliere to Don Corleone.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the double post.</p>
<p>Regarding Horton’s early judgment on Mukasey, he expected him to be an objective, competent Attorney General.  Horton later admitted he had been dead wrong.  He now thinks Mukasey has abandoned any pretense of being the people’s chief law enforcement officer; he is George Bush’s criminal defense attorney.  In my words, a competent version of Alberto Gonzales’ Tom Hagan, consigliere to Don Corleone.</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/the-incredible-disappearing-pfiab/comment-page-1/#comment-56207</link>
		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh, you’re so outraged ya had to repeat it, eh Earl?&lt;br /&gt;
 I posted the article at DU and it is getting plenty of feedback already!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, you’re so outraged ya had to repeat it, eh Earl?<br />
 I posted the article at DU and it is getting plenty of feedback already!</p>
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