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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/bush-administration-tries-to-reverse-a1-cut-out-declassification/comment-page-1/#comment-56312</link>
		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks loo hoo. I actually did send that, as the Cliff Notes version.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks loo hoo. I actually did send that, as the Cliff Notes version.</p>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_03/013236.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Permalink&lt;/a&gt;  won’t go there from Preview, but I think it will from out here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_03/013236.php" rel="nofollow">Permalink</a>  won’t go there from Preview, but I think it will from out here.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/bush-administration-tries-to-reverse-a1-cut-out-declassification/comment-page-1/#comment-56307</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly.  Sorry I can’t link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly.  Sorry I can’t link.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not the most eloquent but it gets a point across…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;RE: Did Bush grant telecomms indemnification for domestic surveillance?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To: Congressman&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;March 3, 2008&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the President and Secretary of Defense were asking Congress to pass a bill that provided retroactive immunity for criminal prosecution for criminal acts by Blackwater in the US and abroad, and Congress was not clear about the nature and scope of the criminal behavior because no through investigation had occurred, Congress would rightly be reluctant to blindly give blanket immunity. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How could Congress justify their decision without full knowledge of the crimes? It could not responsibly do so. Furthermore, it could not responsibly take the word of the administration in the matter either. It would have to investigate or make sure the courts could adjudicate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With over 40 cases already pending in the courts regarding whether the government and telecomm industries conducted illegal surveillance on Americans citizens, it would be a miscarriage of justice for Congress to intercede and end adjudication, the President’s misinformation campaign - that day by day since February 15 Democrats have put American lives more and more at risk - notwithstanding. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is an argument being made that these telecomm (savvy from experienced legal staff and 70 years of wiretapping legal history) were able to extract indemnification agreements from the US government before becoming a party to the Bush Administration’s domestic surveillance program. If so, retroactive immunity is not needed for the telecomms but needed only by the US government to conceal the facts. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do not grant telcomms or the Bush administration retroactive immunity. Allow the courts to do their job. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Americans can no longer have the right to privacy in their communications as we have for so many years then let it be done in the open and not in secret.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the most eloquent but it gets a point across…</p>
<blockquote><p>RE: Did Bush grant telecomms indemnification for domestic surveillance?</p>
<p>To: Congressman</p>
<p>March 3, 2008</p>
<p>If the President and Secretary of Defense were asking Congress to pass a bill that provided retroactive immunity for criminal prosecution for criminal acts by Blackwater in the US and abroad, and Congress was not clear about the nature and scope of the criminal behavior because no through investigation had occurred, Congress would rightly be reluctant to blindly give blanket immunity. </p>
<p>How could Congress justify their decision without full knowledge of the crimes? It could not responsibly do so. Furthermore, it could not responsibly take the word of the administration in the matter either. It would have to investigate or make sure the courts could adjudicate. </p>
<p>With over 40 cases already pending in the courts regarding whether the government and telecomm industries conducted illegal surveillance on Americans citizens, it would be a miscarriage of justice for Congress to intercede and end adjudication, the President’s misinformation campaign &#8211; that day by day since February 15 Democrats have put American lives more and more at risk &#8211; notwithstanding. </p>
<p>There is an argument being made that these telecomm (savvy from experienced legal staff and 70 years of wiretapping legal history) were able to extract indemnification agreements from the US government before becoming a party to the Bush Administration’s domestic surveillance program. If so, retroactive immunity is not needed for the telecomms but needed only by the US government to conceal the facts. </p>
<p>Do not grant telcomms or the Bush administration retroactive immunity. Allow the courts to do their job. </p>
<p>If Americans can no longer have the right to privacy in their communications as we have for so many years then let it be done in the open and not in secret.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/bush-administration-tries-to-reverse-a1-cut-out-declassification/comment-page-1/#comment-56305</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT but&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I don’t want you reading my personal stuff,” the president explained to newspaper editors three years ago on why he doesn’t send electronic messages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All historians need to see are your fucking loopy, loads o’shit, dimwitted,&lt;br /&gt;
press conferences…&lt;br /&gt;
That’s your legacy…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT but</p>
<p>“I don’t want you reading my personal stuff,” the president explained to newspaper editors three years ago on why he doesn’t send electronic messages.</p>
<p>All historians need to see are your fucking loopy, loads o’shit, dimwitted,<br />
press conferences…<br />
That’s your legacy…</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now there’s a solution I haven’t seen anyone else come up with. And it has endless possibilities — meta-constitutional, anyone?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there’s a solution I haven’t seen anyone else come up with. And it has endless possibilities — meta-constitutional, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Slothrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slothrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Cheney’s lifelong goal to increase the power of the presidency…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This frames the issue as the actions of a man devoted to some sense of civic duty. That’s not the case. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney’s lifelong goal is to find ways of helping himself to more power and then using that power to benefit himself (and his friends) financially.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Cheney’s lifelong goal to increase the power of the presidency…”</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>This frames the issue as the actions of a man devoted to some sense of civic duty. That’s not the case. </p>
<p>Cheney’s lifelong goal is to find ways of helping himself to more power and then using that power to benefit himself (and his friends) financially.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/bush-administration-tries-to-reverse-a1-cut-out-declassification/comment-page-1/#comment-56302</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll second that… yeoman’s job shining the light, bmaz…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll second that… yeoman’s job shining the light, bmaz…</p>
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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/03/01/bush-administration-tries-to-reverse-a1-cut-out-declassification/comment-page-1/#comment-56301</link>
		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just sent off your feb 18 post to my USRep’s local chief of staff, regarding prior administrative indemnification. She expressed surprise at this argument when I ran into her at our local starbucks. Is there any more follow-up on this? In particular, anyone who has written not by pseudonym?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz–</p>
<p>I just sent off your feb 18 post to my USRep’s local chief of staff, regarding prior administrative indemnification. She expressed surprise at this argument when I ran into her at our local starbucks. Is there any more follow-up on this? In particular, anyone who has written not by pseudonym?</p>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It has been suggested to me in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/03/k-drum-breaking.html#comment-105552716&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt; over at JustOneMinute that I consider using “meta-legal” instead of &lt;em&gt;illegal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; in “illegal surveillance.” To find the legal lines being crossed, one would examine current FISA, the Fourth Amendment, and oaths of office, I take it, but where else might one find violated legal boundaries pertaining to surveillance and information-sharing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been suggested to me in a <a href="http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/03/k-drum-breaking.html#comment-105552716" rel="nofollow">comment</a> over at JustOneMinute that I consider using “meta-legal” instead of <em>illegal</em><em></em> in “illegal surveillance.” To find the legal lines being crossed, one would examine current FISA, the Fourth Amendment, and oaths of office, I take it, but where else might one find violated legal boundaries pertaining to surveillance and information-sharing?</p>
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