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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56293</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Sara #44:  I had the same thought, only I know very little about what kinds of things federal judges can be impeached for, and what the evidence would need to be.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve also wondered about the same thing as OrionATL #26 — is there really no way to stop a vengeful judge in league with prosecutors?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sara #44:  I had the same thought, only I know very little about what kinds of things federal judges can be impeached for, and what the evidence would need to be.  </p>
<p>I’ve also wondered about the same thing as OrionATL #26 — is there really no way to stop a vengeful judge in league with prosecutors?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56167</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a&gt;Bush Aide Resigns After Admitting Plagiarism&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
By Sheryl Gay Stolberg, NYT, Published: March 1, 2008&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON — A longtime aide to President Bush who wrote occasional guest columns for his hometown newspaper resigned on Friday evening after admitting that he had repeatedly plagiarized from other writers.&lt;br /&gt;
[snip]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… Mr. Goeglein signed on with Mr. Bush, &lt;b&gt;eventually becoming a top aide to Karl Rove, the chief political strategist. &lt;/b&gt;He was the eyes and ears of the White House in the world of religious conservatives and an emissary to that world for Mr. Rove and the president.&lt;br /&gt;
[snip]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A review by The News-Sentinel found that &lt;strong&gt;of the 38 columns Mr. Goeglein published since 2000, 19 included plagiarized material&lt;/strong&gt;, according to Mr. Hubartt. He said the paper would no longer publish work by Mr. Goeglein, whom he described as “well respected here by a lot of people.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There was no reason for it that I can see,” Mr. Hubartt said, noting that Mr. Goeglein had submitted columns voluntarily and had no deadlines to meet. “He was not under any pressure.”
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did Mr Hubartt say is “well respected here by a lot of people” and was “well respected here by a lot of people.”?  Did someone say “eyes and ears”?  What does Goeglein know about Rove’s skullduggery?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<a>Bush Aide Resigns After Admitting Plagiarism</a><br />
By Sheryl Gay Stolberg, NYT, Published: March 1, 2008</p>
<p>WASHINGTON — A longtime aide to President Bush who wrote occasional guest columns for his hometown newspaper resigned on Friday evening after admitting that he had repeatedly plagiarized from other writers.<br />
[snip]</p>
<p>… Mr. Goeglein signed on with Mr. Bush, <b>eventually becoming a top aide to Karl Rove, the chief political strategist. </b>He was the eyes and ears of the White House in the world of religious conservatives and an emissary to that world for Mr. Rove and the president.<br />
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<p>A review by The News-Sentinel found that <strong>of the 38 columns Mr. Goeglein published since 2000, 19 included plagiarized material</strong>, according to Mr. Hubartt. He said the paper would no longer publish work by Mr. Goeglein, whom he described as “well respected here by a lot of people.”</p>
<p>“There was no reason for it that I can see,” Mr. Hubartt said, noting that Mr. Goeglein had submitted columns voluntarily and had no deadlines to meet. “He was not under any pressure.”
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<p>Did Mr Hubartt say is “well respected here by a lot of people” and was “well respected here by a lot of people.”?  Did someone say “eyes and ears”?  What does Goeglein know about Rove’s skullduggery?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56166</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yea, a tear came to my eye, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, a tear came to my eye, too.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56165</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aw Neil, you’re making me nostalgic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw Neil, you’re making me nostalgic.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56158</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great stuff EW.  Really great stuff. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And since she can’t be with us… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There you go again, beating up on poor Karl Rove.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t you remember the last time you had him cornered and were ready to string him up on the Plame-Wilson tree?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some people are slow learners.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Posted by: Jodi &#124; October 11, 2007 at 01:20&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, we know who.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff EW.  Really great stuff. </p>
<p>And since she can’t be with us… </p>
<blockquote><p>There you go again, beating up on poor Karl Rove.</p>
<p>Don’t you remember the last time you had him cornered and were ready to string him up on the Plame-Wilson tree?</p>
<p>Some people are slow learners.</p>
<p>Posted by: Jodi | October 11, 2007 at 01:20</p>
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<p>Yeah, we know who.</p>
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		<title>By: sailmaker</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56155</link>
		<dc:creator>sailmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Humm.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm.  </p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Huh.  If they didn’t receive that part of the satellite transmission at the scheduled air time, how did they have it in time for the 10pm re-air?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  If they didn’t receive that part of the satellite transmission at the scheduled air time, how did they have it in time for the 10pm re-air?</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56145</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i actually have an email from the chief engineer for WHNT, in response to query.  it says this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Simple, a CBS satellite  receiver failed at WHNT causing us to loose about 5 minutes of the story ,we aired it again at 10pm last night and again At 6pm tonight and had it posted on the web last night and all day today.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, they are required by FCC to keep detailed logs on such incidents; it will be interesting to see if that’s pursued.  i contacted conyers to hopefully include this in his inquiry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i actually have an email from the chief engineer for WHNT, in response to query.  it says this:</p>
<p>“Simple, a CBS satellite  receiver failed at WHNT causing us to loose about 5 minutes of the story ,we aired it again at 10pm last night and again At 6pm tonight and had it posted on the web last night and all day today.”</p>
<p>Of course, they are required by FCC to keep detailed logs on such incidents; it will be interesting to see if that’s pursued.  i contacted conyers to hopefully include this in his inquiry.</p>
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		<title>By: sailmaker</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/29/rove-looking-for-an-underground-railroad-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56140</link>
		<dc:creator>sailmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that you hit on a very important point: Radack was able, with help, to reconstruct deleted DoJ emails. Her time frame was the end of 2001, first few months of 2002.  The emails the White House claims are missing are from 2003-2005. Do we believe the White House? Do we even have to think about the White House? Maybe we only have to look at the DoJ emails (many of them are missing?). Maybe the DoJ system is much easier to reconstruct. Maybe whoever was doing the deleting at the DoJ was not as good as Rove/Addington, and left more cookie crumbs to be reconstructed?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you hit on a very important point: Radack was able, with help, to reconstruct deleted DoJ emails. Her time frame was the end of 2001, first few months of 2002.  The emails the White House claims are missing are from 2003-2005. Do we believe the White House? Do we even have to think about the White House? Maybe we only have to look at the DoJ emails (many of them are missing?). Maybe the DoJ system is much easier to reconstruct. Maybe whoever was doing the deleting at the DoJ was not as good as Rove/Addington, and left more cookie crumbs to be reconstructed?</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is a war of attrition. We and federal prosecutors, a Democratic Congress and White House, will face these tactics for years.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amen. While this is well-understood in these parts, a major task coming out of the campaigns will probably be to make sure that it’s understood by the candidate and the public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding telecom or other lobbyist donations to the candidates, I know only a little in passing, but one thing that stands out in rifling the lists at opensecrets.org is the way contributions sky-rocket with electoral success, and the speed with which they do so. Maybe think of the donations as options or activities on spec by the lobbyists, rather than done deals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is a war of attrition. We and federal prosecutors, a Democratic Congress and White House, will face these tactics for years.</p>
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<p>Amen. While this is well-understood in these parts, a major task coming out of the campaigns will probably be to make sure that it’s understood by the candidate and the public.</p>
<p>Regarding telecom or other lobbyist donations to the candidates, I know only a little in passing, but one thing that stands out in rifling the lists at opensecrets.org is the way contributions sky-rocket with electoral success, and the speed with which they do so. Maybe think of the donations as options or activities on spec by the lobbyists, rather than done deals.</p>
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