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		<title>By: theExile</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-56168</link>
		<dc:creator>theExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Congrats Marcy on your new digs! I’ll have to make sure they are on my rounds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Marcy on your new digs! I’ll have to make sure they are on my rounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-56041</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe the D House leadership has realized that if the telco indemnity does comes due, it’ll likely be during a D Presidency, so there will be popular blowback and possible perception of a national economic hit on the D’s watch.  Granting retroactive immunity would short-circuit that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the D House leadership has realized that if the telco indemnity does comes due, it’ll likely be during a D Presidency, so there will be popular blowback and possible perception of a national economic hit on the D’s watch.  Granting retroactive immunity would short-circuit that.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-56023</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;exactly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55977</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Probably not to make it better for citizens or more protective of their rights eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably not to make it better for citizens or more protective of their rights eh?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55975</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;yeah, bmaz, I think you’re right. But what worries me is that this may be a bipartisan issue–that Rockefeller, among others, is also compromised. But Pelosi seems to have decided she can hold this line, which is somewhat reassuring.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And time, time, time is on our side in this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not so sure about that….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&amp;docID=cqmidday-000002678676&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;House Could Take Up Surveillance Legislation Next Week&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;House Democrats are planning floor action next week on a new version of contentious electronic surveillance legislation, but it remains unclear what the bill will contain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“We don’t have agreement but … I am very hopeful that we will have legislation on the floor next week, “ House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer , D-Md., said on the floor Thursday in a colloquy with Minority Whip Roy Blunt , R-Mo.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if time is on our side and pelosi is holding the line, why is the house planning to rewrite their bill?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>yeah, bmaz, I think you’re right. But what worries me is that this may be a bipartisan issue–that Rockefeller, among others, is also compromised. But Pelosi seems to have decided she can hold this line, which is somewhat reassuring.</p>
<p>And time, time, time is on our side in this.</p>
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<p>not so sure about that….</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&amp;docID=cqmidday-000002678676" rel="nofollow">House Could Take Up Surveillance Legislation Next Week</a></p>
<p>House Democrats are planning floor action next week on a new version of contentious electronic surveillance legislation, but it remains unclear what the bill will contain.</p>
<p>“We don’t have agreement but … I am very hopeful that we will have legislation on the floor next week, “ House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer , D-Md., said on the floor Thursday in a colloquy with Minority Whip Roy Blunt , R-Mo.</p>
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<p>if time is on our side and pelosi is holding the line, why is the house planning to rewrite their bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55974</link>
		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For agency eyes only, of course. Openly boasting would be unseemly, and dissing NSA’s helper might be counterproductive if, as President Bush implies, cooperation is optional.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For agency eyes only, of course. Openly boasting would be unseemly, and dissing NSA’s helper might be counterproductive if, as President Bush implies, cooperation is optional.</p>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55972</link>
		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Imagined text of a virtual NSA billboard:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;NSA works wherever AT&amp;T does—and beyond&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagined text of a virtual NSA billboard:</p>
<blockquote><p>NSA works wherever AT&amp;T does—and beyond</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55967</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://gizmodo.com/361991/nsa-gets-the-best-att-coverage-around&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;So did I predict it or what?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gizmodo.com/361991/nsa-gets-the-best-att-coverage-around" rel="nofollow">So did I predict it or what?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55944</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But it’s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; all about the money.  I don’t disagree with EW very often, but it seems to me that the telcos aren’t worried about the money (for reasons given by commenters); it’s the administration officials who are worried about criminal liability and the public finding out through discovery and testimony in court cases what the extent and targets of the warrantless eavesdropping were.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it’s <i>not</i> all about the money.  I don’t disagree with EW very often, but it seems to me that the telcos aren’t worried about the money (for reasons given by commenters); it’s the administration officials who are worried about criminal liability and the public finding out through discovery and testimony in court cases what the extent and targets of the warrantless eavesdropping were.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/28/its-all-about/comment-page-1/#comment-55939</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Indeed. Allowing poorly or unregulated differential pricing and/or access is crossing the Rubicon.  It would then no longer be whether providers could charge more or grant readier or more direct access for favored clients, but to what degree.  Not whether I can rape with impunity, but how much money I can make while doing it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These companies already make substantial profits from competently running their businesses.  They make considerable additional sums, eg, from commercializing - selling for use without restriction - individual household’s cable viewing patterns.  Query what they do with VOIP and other personal data transmissions (apart from give copies to Uncle George).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What criteria would be used to grant differential access or to support differential pricing.  A Bush regime would say any or none at all.  Even a Democratic administration would be hard put to implement “reasonable” regulation.  There’s been no education or debate because the neocons have made the whole notion of data ownership and privacy rights synonymous with “socialism” and off limits.  (Unlike every other developed country, such as Canada, Japan, Australia, and the EU.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As usual, where consumers are concerned, this government has things backwards.  It concedes to private interests the unregulated right to an income stream without first sorting out whose competing interests are at risk.  Kinda like telling a drug company to go ahead and market those chemicals without first asking about product quality or therapeutic purpose.  Come to think of it, that’s exactly where this administration and its pet Supreme Court is taking us and the FDA.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re reverting to a Wild West culture, where the guy with the most cowhands and guns gets to do WTF he wants.  Time for a little, um, government of the people, by the people and for the people.  According to Honest Abe at Gettysburg, preserving that was worth one helluva lot of spilled blood.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Allowing poorly or unregulated differential pricing and/or access is crossing the Rubicon.  It would then no longer be whether providers could charge more or grant readier or more direct access for favored clients, but to what degree.  Not whether I can rape with impunity, but how much money I can make while doing it.</p>
<p>These companies already make substantial profits from competently running their businesses.  They make considerable additional sums, eg, from commercializing &#8211; selling for use without restriction &#8211; individual household’s cable viewing patterns.  Query what they do with VOIP and other personal data transmissions (apart from give copies to Uncle George).</p>
<p>What criteria would be used to grant differential access or to support differential pricing.  A Bush regime would say any or none at all.  Even a Democratic administration would be hard put to implement “reasonable” regulation.  There’s been no education or debate because the neocons have made the whole notion of data ownership and privacy rights synonymous with “socialism” and off limits.  (Unlike every other developed country, such as Canada, Japan, Australia, and the EU.)</p>
<p>As usual, where consumers are concerned, this government has things backwards.  It concedes to private interests the unregulated right to an income stream without first sorting out whose competing interests are at risk.  Kinda like telling a drug company to go ahead and market those chemicals without first asking about product quality or therapeutic purpose.  Come to think of it, that’s exactly where this administration and its pet Supreme Court is taking us and the FDA.  </p>
<p>We’re reverting to a Wild West culture, where the guy with the most cowhands and guns gets to do WTF he wants.  Time for a little, um, government of the people, by the people and for the people.  According to Honest Abe at Gettysburg, preserving that was worth one helluva lot of spilled blood.</p>
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