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	<title>Comments on: George Will Sums Up McCain&#8217;s &#8220;Unattractive Righteousness&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do wonder what motivated Will to write this column right now. Was he nudged by those still angry about McCain’s early campaign finance reforms?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i agree with others who’ve said that we’re seeing an inter-republican fight - but i don’t think it’s necessarily lead by the religious right, or even people still pissed about campaign finance reforms (although i expect they are allies). from a comment i left at fdl yesterday:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; a very cursory review on tuesday made me wonder if we’re not seeing some republican infighting and we’re (the dems/progressives/left of center) are jumping in on the side of the anti-mccain faction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is all just the realm of wild speculation…. so please don’t take it as anything more than a question (or really a series of questions).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. doesn’t mccain look dirty as hell from his time on the indian affairs committee? especially with regard to apparently threatening and potentially blackmailing the abramoff wing? and then covering up for them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. doesn’t it seem weird that the nyt would write a piece on mccain’s relationships with lobbyists by focusing on time when mccain (on the commerce committee) was involved in the debate over telco consolidation. an issue where the nyt sure looks far, far more corrupt than mccain (who was one of only a handful of senators to vote against the telecomunicaitons bill in (i think) 1996? isn’t that in issue where the dems look very bad?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. were the sources of the recent nyt piece sourced to republicans?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so why does the nyt focus on an issue that (as far as i know) mccain was not as corrupt as either the MSM or the clinton administration and ignore the issue that looks (to me in my ignorance) to be the real dirt on mccain?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just does not compute for me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;if i were republican political operative who wanted to safely attack mccain, i’d pick something that if followed up carefully would lead to more corruption by the outlet i’m leaking to and the opposing party. i wouldn’t pick something that would, if followed up, lead to abramoff and his crew of republicans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;since i know so little about mccain’s history, i likely have it all wrong… hoping someone can correct me on the backstory and explain wtf is going on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I do wonder what motivated Will to write this column right now. Was he nudged by those still angry about McCain’s early campaign finance reforms?</p>
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<p>i agree with others who’ve said that we’re seeing an inter-republican fight &#8211; but i don’t think it’s necessarily lead by the religious right, or even people still pissed about campaign finance reforms (although i expect they are allies). from a comment i left at fdl yesterday:</p>
<blockquote><p> a very cursory review on tuesday made me wonder if we’re not seeing some republican infighting and we’re (the dems/progressives/left of center) are jumping in on the side of the anti-mccain faction.</p>
<p>this is all just the realm of wild speculation…. so please don’t take it as anything more than a question (or really a series of questions).</p>
<p>1. doesn’t mccain look dirty as hell from his time on the indian affairs committee? especially with regard to apparently threatening and potentially blackmailing the abramoff wing? and then covering up for them?</p>
<p>2. doesn’t it seem weird that the nyt would write a piece on mccain’s relationships with lobbyists by focusing on time when mccain (on the commerce committee) was involved in the debate over telco consolidation. an issue where the nyt sure looks far, far more corrupt than mccain (who was one of only a handful of senators to vote against the telecomunicaitons bill in (i think) 1996? isn’t that in issue where the dems look very bad?</p>
<p>3. were the sources of the recent nyt piece sourced to republicans?</p>
<p>so why does the nyt focus on an issue that (as far as i know) mccain was not as corrupt as either the MSM or the clinton administration and ignore the issue that looks (to me in my ignorance) to be the real dirt on mccain?</p>
<p>just does not compute for me.</p>
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<blockquote><p>if i were republican political operative who wanted to safely attack mccain, i’d pick something that if followed up carefully would lead to more corruption by the outlet i’m leaking to and the opposing party. i wouldn’t pick something that would, if followed up, lead to abramoff and his crew of republicans.</p>
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<p>since i know so little about mccain’s history, i likely have it all wrong… hoping someone can correct me on the backstory and explain wtf is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Quzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz — I like the way you think again! Why are the Dems so dense most of the time?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jim White — great the YouTube clip. McCain is the biggest hypocrite - but W is the worst pREsident ever…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz — I like the way you think again! Why are the Dems so dense most of the time?</p>
<p>Jim White — great the YouTube clip. McCain is the biggest hypocrite &#8211; but W is the worst pREsident ever…</p>
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		<title>By: pinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Campaign finance restrictions are something Will writes about often. He HATES them on free speech grounds, and I can’t say I blame him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Campaign finance restrictions are something Will writes about often. He HATES them on free speech grounds, and I can’t say I blame him.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish some of our Democratic Party stratigests would start thinking that way. If they had, we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish some of our Democratic Party stratigests would start thinking that way. If they had, we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: obsessed</title>
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		<dc:creator>obsessed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&gt;I suggest people start asking McCain “If you are elected President, will you pardon Charlie Keating”? &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;great idea!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&gt;I suggest people start asking McCain “If you are elected President, will you pardon Charlie Keating”? </em></p>
<p>great idea!</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suggest people start asking McCain “If you are elected President, will you pardon Charlie Keating”?  He will be forced to emphatically say “No!” and will undoubtedly expound a little.  Charlie Keating is still alive, kicking and holds a grudge against McCain for turning his back on him.  Keating also holds a ton of solid dirt on McCain that hasn’t previously been particularly made public.  Making McCain answer this question a few times in public will likely will explode Keating’s festering wounds and pride and motivate him to let loose.  I am pretty sure it would not take much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest people start asking McCain “If you are elected President, will you pardon Charlie Keating”?  He will be forced to emphatically say “No!” and will undoubtedly expound a little.  Charlie Keating is still alive, kicking and holds a grudge against McCain for turning his back on him.  Keating also holds a ton of solid dirt on McCain that hasn’t previously been particularly made public.  Making McCain answer this question a few times in public will likely will explode Keating’s festering wounds and pride and motivate him to let loose.  I am pretty sure it would not take much.</p>
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		<title>By: Martiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bingo!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo!</p>
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		<title>By: scribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s not a little unfair.  It’s one thing for an officer to be something of a screw-up and a drunken hellraiser, which he was, at least by comparison to his forebears.  The fact of who his forebears were gave him a lot of slack within the military - that’s just the way it is.  I saw the same thing with the generals’ and colonels’ sons I served alongside - they got slack the non-son-of-a-career-officer would not get.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, becoming a PW changes the whole calculus.  Post-capture and return, they get some special solicitude and maybe a little more rank than they would have achieved had they not been captured.  They get promoted along with their peers even while in captivity.  And that goes for officer as well as enlisted.  A sergeant I served with had been a PW in Vietnam (and it showed - he looked ancient from the experience).  No one even had to mention it - when he needed covering for (his treatment had taken most of his energy away), he got it without anyone ever mentioning it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, McCain might never have become a fleet commander or CINCPAC like his forebears, but had he stayed in (IIRC, he retired shortly after hitting his 20 years) he likely would have gotten a flag of his own and some notable job - one important but not on the main stream of career advancement and ultimately a dead end - where he could have been held up to the rank and file.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His getting out when he did was likely motivated by the opportunity of politics which may have been apparent (or made apparent) to him while he was in the Navy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s not a little unfair.  It’s one thing for an officer to be something of a screw-up and a drunken hellraiser, which he was, at least by comparison to his forebears.  The fact of who his forebears were gave him a lot of slack within the military &#8211; that’s just the way it is.  I saw the same thing with the generals’ and colonels’ sons I served alongside &#8211; they got slack the non-son-of-a-career-officer would not get.</p>
<p>But, becoming a PW changes the whole calculus.  Post-capture and return, they get some special solicitude and maybe a little more rank than they would have achieved had they not been captured.  They get promoted along with their peers even while in captivity.  And that goes for officer as well as enlisted.  A sergeant I served with had been a PW in Vietnam (and it showed &#8211; he looked ancient from the experience).  No one even had to mention it &#8211; when he needed covering for (his treatment had taken most of his energy away), he got it without anyone ever mentioning it.</p>
<p>So, McCain might never have become a fleet commander or CINCPAC like his forebears, but had he stayed in (IIRC, he retired shortly after hitting his 20 years) he likely would have gotten a flag of his own and some notable job &#8211; one important but not on the main stream of career advancement and ultimately a dead end &#8211; where he could have been held up to the rank and file.</p>
<p>His getting out when he did was likely motivated by the opportunity of politics which may have been apparent (or made apparent) to him while he was in the Navy.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I do wonder what motivated Will to write this column right now. Was he nudged by those still angry about McCain’s early campaign finance reforms?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the rats are eating their own, and you wonder why ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;some of this might be “make nice” gestures toward the Democrats by repuglitards who can read the writing on the wall&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or maybe Will just has his own finger in the wind, and senses a change coming …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we could drive ourselves crazy figuring out what this is about&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but that kinda interferes with the enjoyment of it all&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>I do wonder what motivated Will to write this column right now. Was he nudged by those still angry about McCain’s early campaign finance reforms?</strong></p>
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<p>the rats are eating their own, and you wonder why ???</p>
<p>some of this might be “make nice” gestures toward the Democrats by repuglitards who can read the writing on the wall</p>
<p>or maybe Will just has his own finger in the wind, and senses a change coming …</p>
<p>we could drive ourselves crazy figuring out what this is about</p>
<p>but that kinda interferes with the enjoyment of it all</p>
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		<title>By: JimWhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s another YouTube with Bush calling McCain out in 2000 for his lobbyist ties: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ofeg5XnoY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ofeg5XnoY&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s another YouTube with Bush calling McCain out in 2000 for his lobbyist ties: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ofeg5XnoY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ofeg5XnoY</a></p>
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