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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/opr-endorses-pixie-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-54308</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember the thread.  Good excerpt.  Limiting redefining the corporation’s legal status would be a healthy step for a civil society.  Implementing it would be one of the most divisive reforms since the income tax.  (But where would we be without that?)  A great topic that we should expand.  Initial thoughts:  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Shareholder democracy” is a lie.  It exists only when the corporation is about to go under or gobble up another one.  It is practicable only for the largest and most resource rich shareholders.  That includes pension funds, but not most wealthy individuals, let alone me and my hundred shares in a 401(k).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most corporate boards provide oversight that’s about as effective as Congress’ oversight of Dick Cheney.  Yet, both remained gainfully employed and well-compensated.  Their members are picked by the CEO for their cooperative attitude or status, eg, a Condi Rice: the twofer, a woman of color, beloved of HR staffs and consultants [politically incorrect, also true].  Like that example, they have impressive resumes, but are often too ambitious or pre-occupied and so have little time to do more than read the sanitized reports given them by the CEO’s staff (or the nearly as sanitized reports from outside auditors and legal staffs).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many board members do work exceptionally hard; I’m sure even Enron and Delphi had ones like that.  But any board member that becomes too inquisitive is not invited back.  They’re insured from liability for all but the most egregious intentional conduct, so they go along to get along.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Corporations are controlled by and run for the benefit of their top managers, who are shrinking the employment and compensation pie to their small circle.  Everyone else knows they’re doing twice the work they did when they started out: cell phones, notebooks, internet.  Many essentially work 24/7.  None but a handful at the top are compensated for the extra work.  Hence, the gains in productivity, but not in worker compensation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the thread.  Good excerpt.  Limiting redefining the corporation’s legal status would be a healthy step for a civil society.  Implementing it would be one of the most divisive reforms since the income tax.  (But where would we be without that?)  A great topic that we should expand.  Initial thoughts:  </p>
<p>“Shareholder democracy” is a lie.  It exists only when the corporation is about to go under or gobble up another one.  It is practicable only for the largest and most resource rich shareholders.  That includes pension funds, but not most wealthy individuals, let alone me and my hundred shares in a 401(k).</p>
<p>Most corporate boards provide oversight that’s about as effective as Congress’ oversight of Dick Cheney.  Yet, both remained gainfully employed and well-compensated.  Their members are picked by the CEO for their cooperative attitude or status, eg, a Condi Rice: the twofer, a woman of color, beloved of HR staffs and consultants [politically incorrect, also true].  Like that example, they have impressive resumes, but are often too ambitious or pre-occupied and so have little time to do more than read the sanitized reports given them by the CEO’s staff (or the nearly as sanitized reports from outside auditors and legal staffs).  </p>
<p>Many board members do work exceptionally hard; I’m sure even Enron and Delphi had ones like that.  But any board member that becomes too inquisitive is not invited back.  They’re insured from liability for all but the most egregious intentional conduct, so they go along to get along.    </p>
<p>Corporations are controlled by and run for the benefit of their top managers, who are shrinking the employment and compensation pie to their small circle.  Everyone else knows they’re doing twice the work they did when they started out: cell phones, notebooks, internet.  Many essentially work 24/7.  None but a handful at the top are compensated for the extra work.  Hence, the gains in productivity, but not in worker compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/opr-endorses-pixie-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-54248</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BSL - You can also print off &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/18/dont-cry-for-the-telcos-bush-cheney-are-the-only-ones-that-are-dying-for-immunity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post &lt;/a&gt;and plant it in the appropriate neighborly location…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSL &#8211; You can also print off <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/18/dont-cry-for-the-telcos-bush-cheney-are-the-only-ones-that-are-dying-for-immunity/" rel="nofollow">this post </a>and plant it in the appropriate neighborly location…..</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/opr-endorses-pixie-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-54239</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BSL - Jello Jay said that?  I can understand the Repug neighbor, we got those here too, they often aren’t the brightest bulbs in the fixture, but Jello Jay??  He is now flat out as patently dishonest and hysterical as Bush and Cheney.  Unbelievable. Freepatriot is right about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/fbi-wiretap-cut.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;turning off the tap&lt;/a&gt; because of the government being behind in paying the monthly bill.  So, there is that.  You can also refer to&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; 50 USC 1802&lt;/a&gt;, under the FISA provisions, which provides:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Government shall compensate, at the prevailing rate, such carrier for furnishing such aid.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are &lt;a href=&quot;http://epic.org/privacy/wiretap/calea/calea_report1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;similar provisions under CALEA&lt;/a&gt;.  So, it is total fictional BS that the telcos are not paid; they are paid, and handsomely.  Why do think Qwest had such problems because Nacchio didn’t get in on the lucrative contracts?  This is the dumbest argument I have ever heard, and it is especially galling coming out of Jello Jay.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSL &#8211; Jello Jay said that?  I can understand the Repug neighbor, we got those here too, they often aren’t the brightest bulbs in the fixture, but Jello Jay??  He is now flat out as patently dishonest and hysterical as Bush and Cheney.  Unbelievable. Freepatriot is right about the <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/fbi-wiretap-cut.html" rel="nofollow">turning off the tap</a> because of the government being behind in paying the monthly bill.  So, there is that.  You can also refer to<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html" rel="nofollow"> 50 USC 1802</a>, under the FISA provisions, which provides:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Government shall compensate, at the prevailing rate, such carrier for furnishing such aid.</p>
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<p>There are <a href="http://epic.org/privacy/wiretap/calea/calea_report1.html" rel="nofollow">similar provisions under CALEA</a>.  So, it is total fictional BS that the telcos are not paid; they are paid, and handsomely.  Why do think Qwest had such problems because Nacchio didn’t get in on the lucrative contracts?  This is the dumbest argument I have ever heard, and it is especially galling coming out of Jello Jay.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They get to remain in business, with a stranglehold on our telecommunications systems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And for all we know, they have the ultimate source of competitive intelligence on our telecommunications consumption, let alone the competitive intelligence for ALL business in America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rockefeller’s an idiot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They get to remain in business, with a stranglehold on our telecommunications systems.</p>
<p>And for all we know, they have the ultimate source of competitive intelligence on our telecommunications consumption, let alone the competitive intelligence for ALL business in America.</p>
<p>Rockefeller’s an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/opr-endorses-pixie-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-54237</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like the sovereign nation of Iraq has some invading nation-state terrorists and some in-country terrorist enablers on their hands.  Bush’s reaction would be to slaughter the invaders and place the in-country enablers in a gulag to be tortured, killed and disappeared.  If that is good enough for the moral Christian leaders of the free world greatest democracy evah, it ought to be cool for the Iraqis.  Right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the sovereign nation of Iraq has some invading nation-state terrorists and some in-country terrorist enablers on their hands.  Bush’s reaction would be to slaughter the invaders and place the in-country enablers in a gulag to be tortured, killed and disappeared.  If that is good enough for the moral Christian leaders of the free world greatest democracy evah, it ought to be cool for the Iraqis.  Right?</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080222/iraq_turkey_080222/20080222?hub=TopStories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Turkey launches ground incursion into Iraq&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thousands of Turkish troops have crossed into northern Iraq for a ground operation against separatist Kurdish rebels, the military confirmed Friday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, the U.S. military said Friday that they had been assured that Turkey would do everything possible to avoid “collateral damage” to innocent civilians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Multi-National Forces-Iraq is aware Turkish ground forces have entered into northern Iraq, for what we understand is an operation of limited duration to specifically target PKK terrorists in that region,” Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a U.S. spokesman in Iraq, said in a statement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The United States continues to support Turkey’s right to defend itself from the terrorist activities of the PKK and has encouraged Turkey to use all available means, to include diplomacy and close coordination with the Government of Iraq to ultimately resolve this issue.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Damn and drat. I keep trying to believe in Erdogan, but this is not making it easier.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080222/iraq_turkey_080222/20080222?hub=TopStories" rel="nofollow">Turkey launches ground incursion into Iraq</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thousands of Turkish troops have crossed into northern Iraq for a ground operation against separatist Kurdish rebels, the military confirmed Friday.</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the U.S. military said Friday that they had been assured that Turkey would do everything possible to avoid “collateral damage” to innocent civilians.</p>
<p>“Multi-National Forces-Iraq is aware Turkish ground forces have entered into northern Iraq, for what we understand is an operation of limited duration to specifically target PKK terrorists in that region,” Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a U.S. spokesman in Iraq, said in a statement.</p>
<p>“The United States continues to support Turkey’s right to defend itself from the terrorist activities of the PKK and has encouraged Turkey to use all available means, to include diplomacy and close coordination with the Government of Iraq to ultimately resolve this issue.” </p>
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<p>Damn and drat. I keep trying to believe in Erdogan, but this is not making it easier.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My Repug neighbor, who I run with, stuck this up my arse cuz&lt;br /&gt;
I told ‘em earlier that we ARE paying the Telcos (since when&lt;br /&gt;
do we give away freebies… he thinks the Telco did it for free&lt;br /&gt;
due to their extreme patriotism…)&lt;br /&gt;
Any links will be helpful…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>My Repug neighbor, who I run with, stuck this up my arse cuz<br />
I told ‘em earlier that we ARE paying the Telcos (since when<br />
do we give away freebies… he thinks the Telco did it for free<br />
due to their extreme patriotism…)<br />
Any links will be helpful…</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/21/opr-endorses-pixie-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-54233</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;he’s wasting his time&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they’re running a bunch of “YOU CAN’T WIN” trials&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would call them Kangaroo courts, but the kangaroos might get pissed, and those things can throw a punch&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he’s wasting his time</p>
<p>they’re running a bunch of “YOU CAN’T WIN” trials</p>
<p>I would call them Kangaroo courts, but the kangaroos might get pissed, and those things can throw a punch</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Did the Telecoms wiretap pro bono?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;uhmmm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;from what Iv’e heard, the telecos CUT THE TAP at least once cuz george didn’t pay the bill&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so we’ll guess that the answer to your question would be NO&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Did the Telecoms wiretap pro bono?</strong></p>
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<p>uhmmm</p>
<p>from what Iv’e heard, the telecos CUT THE TAP at least once cuz george didn’t pay the bill</p>
<p>so we’ll guess that the answer to your question would be NO</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Yeah, exactly, because the Pinto is every bit as good as those disintegrating heart stents……&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s not fair dude&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the Pinto was the BEST four passenger stove ever made …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Yeah, exactly, because the Pinto is every bit as good as those disintegrating heart stents……</strong></p>
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<p>that’s not fair dude</p>
<p>the Pinto was the BEST four passenger stove ever made …</p>
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