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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-54077</link>
		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I couldn’t agree more.  I’m sure Hillary is a perfectly nice and charming to meet in person, but she just doesn’t come off well in front of a crowd.  Charisma is simply not something you can practice and perform.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That probably wouldn’t be such an issue, even in this election, if she didn’t come with so much baggage.  The electorate simply doesn’t want to sit through four more years of ugly battle between the Clintons and the right wing.  It’s not her fault, and I sort of feel for her on this, but that’s just the way it is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now you add all that to the fact that she has consistantly polled as the underdog in the general election against any marque repuglitard, and it just leaves her standing up to her knees in mud.  Lots of people that may genuinely think she’d be the best choice for both the party and the nation (and like you, I’m not so sure she wouldn’t), simply aren’t going to cast a primary vote against the odds of victory in the general just for her sake.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems like there is a reason either to vote for Obama, or not to vote for Hillary just about any way you look at it.  Bummer for her, but I kinda like seeing her building seniority in the Senate anyway.  Hillary as SML would be able to shape the nation far more effectively and for much longer than she ever could as president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hopefully she’ll soon realize that, and focus herself on commitment to the country from where she is really needed, and that’s in the Senate, it’s a fine destiny, she just needs to accept it and flourish.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I couldn’t agree more.  I’m sure Hillary is a perfectly nice and charming to meet in person, but she just doesn’t come off well in front of a crowd.  Charisma is simply not something you can practice and perform.  </p>
<p>That probably wouldn’t be such an issue, even in this election, if she didn’t come with so much baggage.  The electorate simply doesn’t want to sit through four more years of ugly battle between the Clintons and the right wing.  It’s not her fault, and I sort of feel for her on this, but that’s just the way it is.</p>
<p>Now you add all that to the fact that she has consistantly polled as the underdog in the general election against any marque repuglitard, and it just leaves her standing up to her knees in mud.  Lots of people that may genuinely think she’d be the best choice for both the party and the nation (and like you, I’m not so sure she wouldn’t), simply aren’t going to cast a primary vote against the odds of victory in the general just for her sake.</p>
<p>Seems like there is a reason either to vote for Obama, or not to vote for Hillary just about any way you look at it.  Bummer for her, but I kinda like seeing her building seniority in the Senate anyway.  Hillary as SML would be able to shape the nation far more effectively and for much longer than she ever could as president.</p>
<p>Hopefully she’ll soon realize that, and focus herself on commitment to the country from where she is really needed, and that’s in the Senate, it’s a fine destiny, she just needs to accept it and flourish.</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GO PRAIRIE VIEW!  SHOW US WHAT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN…  Palli&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO PRAIRIE VIEW!  SHOW US WHAT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN…  Palli</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-54029</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW @ 8&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It HAS to happen in DC regarding immunity…ASAP…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW @ 8</p>
<p>It HAS to happen in DC regarding immunity…ASAP…</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-54013</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is consistent with what I see in general here as well.  Hillary doesn’t inspire, she is not magnetic; it is just not in her DNA.  It doesn’t matter how much she changes her message; you either have that quality or you don’t, and she doesn’t.  Bill Clinton has tons of it, but it doesn’t transfer; even when he is the one doing the talking, it comes off bad trying to be her spokesman instead of himself.  She sure hasn’t been helped by the merciless attention, criticism and general assholiness of the media either.  Really, Hillary has as much of the “it factor”, and certainly is more articulate, than Bush in 2000; but look at the difference in how they were treated.  It makes a dent after a while and Obama has just been slathered for the most part. That said, I kind of feel the same way.  As much as I know how knowledgeable and competent Clinton is/would be, and as much as I know that Obama is really a bit of a blank slate and the bandwagon borderline cult like, I just can’t muster any excitement for Hillary.  If a craggy guy like me, who is only concerned about the issues (which she really is superior on) can’t buy in; I don’t know who is, I think she is toast.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is consistent with what I see in general here as well.  Hillary doesn’t inspire, she is not magnetic; it is just not in her DNA.  It doesn’t matter how much she changes her message; you either have that quality or you don’t, and she doesn’t.  Bill Clinton has tons of it, but it doesn’t transfer; even when he is the one doing the talking, it comes off bad trying to be her spokesman instead of himself.  She sure hasn’t been helped by the merciless attention, criticism and general assholiness of the media either.  Really, Hillary has as much of the “it factor”, and certainly is more articulate, than Bush in 2000; but look at the difference in how they were treated.  It makes a dent after a while and Obama has just been slathered for the most part. That said, I kind of feel the same way.  As much as I know how knowledgeable and competent Clinton is/would be, and as much as I know that Obama is really a bit of a blank slate and the bandwagon borderline cult like, I just can’t muster any excitement for Hillary.  If a craggy guy like me, who is only concerned about the issues (which she really is superior on) can’t buy in; I don’t know who is, I think she is toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-54012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Man, I’ve been talking to everyone.  Grocery clerks, my Mexican contacts, attorneys, digruntled conservatives (many of which are old friends), my progressive crowd, writer buddies (usually much less politically attentive than you’d think), tons of people in the tech industry (through my better half), random people anywhere I go.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t bumped into ANY solid HIllary people, a few comment she’s not so bad, but I’ve bumped into many, many “Obama all the way”  folks.  I was in Wal-mart night before last and I stepped into one of those Fidelity? sublet spaces at the front of the super center to cop a look at their TV while my gal dropped off some film.  The kid in there started chatting me up, and I turned the conversation to election coverage that was on their flatpanel.  He wasn’t any kind of political type guy just a guy who worked for a “stocks in box” store in a Wal-mart, and he said, “Obama has my vote, he’s change.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s pretty typical.  My conservative friends won’t likely vote in the Dem primary, and they may not be big on Obama, but clearly they HATE Hillary.  That energy will bleed over to cross over GOP voters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of those that seem like they are going to vote in the Dem primary, most don’t have any strong feelings against Hillary, they just seemed to have tuned into Obama’s message.  They’re going to vote for him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Same with the latinos I know, my yard guy (and friend for 10 years),  a contractor I know (and his crew).  These are working class Mexican folks. All Obama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m in Austin, but with what I know of this state, born here.  I can tell you that Houston and Dallas tilt more conservative, and that it seems to me will tilt both populations away from Hillary.  Plus, lots of black folk in both those cities as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t say what south Texas will be like, big latino population down there, but my small sample gives no indication of a Hillary tilt with them in Texas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m just one guy with my ear to the ground, but all I’m hearing is Obama.  I’ll be very suprised if it’s even close down here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hate to stick my neck out like this, but that’s what I’m seeing.  I know there’s another Texan or two on the board, any intel?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I’ve been talking to everyone.  Grocery clerks, my Mexican contacts, attorneys, digruntled conservatives (many of which are old friends), my progressive crowd, writer buddies (usually much less politically attentive than you’d think), tons of people in the tech industry (through my better half), random people anywhere I go.</p>
<p>I haven’t bumped into ANY solid HIllary people, a few comment she’s not so bad, but I’ve bumped into many, many “Obama all the way”  folks.  I was in Wal-mart night before last and I stepped into one of those Fidelity? sublet spaces at the front of the super center to cop a look at their TV while my gal dropped off some film.  The kid in there started chatting me up, and I turned the conversation to election coverage that was on their flatpanel.  He wasn’t any kind of political type guy just a guy who worked for a “stocks in box” store in a Wal-mart, and he said, “Obama has my vote, he’s change.”  </p>
<p>That’s pretty typical.  My conservative friends won’t likely vote in the Dem primary, and they may not be big on Obama, but clearly they HATE Hillary.  That energy will bleed over to cross over GOP voters.</p>
<p>Of those that seem like they are going to vote in the Dem primary, most don’t have any strong feelings against Hillary, they just seemed to have tuned into Obama’s message.  They’re going to vote for him.</p>
<p>Same with the latinos I know, my yard guy (and friend for 10 years),  a contractor I know (and his crew).  These are working class Mexican folks. All Obama.</p>
<p>I’m in Austin, but with what I know of this state, born here.  I can tell you that Houston and Dallas tilt more conservative, and that it seems to me will tilt both populations away from Hillary.  Plus, lots of black folk in both those cities as well.</p>
<p>I can’t say what south Texas will be like, big latino population down there, but my small sample gives no indication of a Hillary tilt with them in Texas.</p>
<p>I’m just one guy with my ear to the ground, but all I’m hearing is Obama.  I’ll be very suprised if it’s even close down here.</p>
<p>Hate to stick my neck out like this, but that’s what I’m seeing.  I know there’s another Texan or two on the board, any intel?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-54006</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh heh; just who are you chatting up down there??&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh; just who are you chatting up down there??</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-53998</link>
		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;– Nor have I spoken to anyone not planning to vote.  duh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>– Nor have I spoken to anyone not planning to vote.  duh.</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-53997</link>
		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hope Hillary likes BBQ.  ‘Cause she’s about to get smoked down here Texas way.  I haven’t spoken with a single person planning to vote for Hillary yet, not have I spoken to anyone not planning to vote.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fire’s ready.  Anybody got an apple?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope Hillary likes BBQ.  ‘Cause she’s about to get smoked down here Texas way.  I haven’t spoken with a single person planning to vote for Hillary yet, not have I spoken to anyone not planning to vote.  </p>
<p>The fire’s ready.  Anybody got an apple?</p>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-53994</link>
		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This just in from the Waller county seat in Hempstead, early counts of today’s voting 1003 for Hillary, 3 for Obama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am John Q. Diebold and I approve of this message&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in from the Waller county seat in Hempstead, early counts of today’s voting 1003 for Hillary, 3 for Obama.</p>
<p>I am John Q. Diebold and I approve of this message</p>
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		<title>By: mikenportc</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/20/democracy-in-action/comment-page-1/#comment-53957</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenportc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good on them! Don’t just take it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  In other proud democracy news , Bush Administration is pressuring the winners in Pakistan to keep Musharraf . ( Don’t want them setting the bad example of impeaching a  president for dictatorial behavior?) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/28273.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom.....28273.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; These @$$&amp;*(#$!!1 can’t leave soon enough . As soon they get the democracy that they claim to be spreading , they try to mess with it . Way to make friends &amp; influence people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on them! Don’t just take it.</p>
<p>  In other proud democracy news , Bush Administration is pressuring the winners in Pakistan to keep Musharraf . ( Don’t want them setting the bad example of impeaching a  president for dictatorial behavior?) <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/28273.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/hom&#8230;..28273.html</a></p>
<p> These @$$&amp;*(#$!!1 can’t leave soon enough . As soon they get the democracy that they claim to be spreading , they try to mess with it . Way to make friends &amp; influence people.</p>
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