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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;foggo trial moved to virginia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080220-9999-1n20wilkes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....ilkes.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foggo trial moved to virginia.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080220-9999-1n20wilkes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.signonsandiego.com/&#8230;..ilkes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not really here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m watching Obama throw some red meat to the left&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;am I awake&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not really here</p>
<p>I’m watching Obama throw some red meat to the left</p>
<p>am I awake</p>
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		<title>By: FrankProbst</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankProbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Random thoughts:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  “Eccentric scientist” is redundant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  The weaponized anthrax that was released was more sophisticated than anything that had been seen before.  Whoever was behind it knew what they were doing.  Hatfill was–and still is–one of the few people out there who might have been able to pull this off.  He’s either guilty, or multiple people are trying to make it look like he’s guilty.  (I favor the latter choice.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3.  I thought he lost his job because he had faked his credentials.  That’ll get you burned almost anywhere.  Yes, the heightened scrutiny from this case led to that discovery, but I have little sympathy for someone who sues and tries to argue, “If it wasn’t for you, my wrongdoing would never been caught!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4.  If I were a jury member on this case, my only question would be whether or not what was printed about Hatfill was accurate.  I’ll assume that the statement that he was being looked at is on the level.  All that’s left is whether or not the bit about the dogs is true.  If it is, then I think he should lose his case.  On the other hand, if it was bullshit, he should win.  I don’t see why we have to breach reporter/source privilege to figure this out.  All we need are the dog handlers.  If they confirm the story, then I really don’t care who the leaker was.  On the other hand, if the dog handlers say, “The dogs didn’t bark,” or “The dogs went nuts at a bunch of different places, not just Hatfill’s,” then the media is guilty of publishing highly prejudicial bullshit, and they should have to pay for it.  I would hope that they would burn their source in the process, but I wouldn’t really care one way or the other.  If you’re going to hang someone out to dry over barking dogs, you’d better be damn sure you got the story right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random thoughts:</p>
<p>1.  “Eccentric scientist” is redundant.</p>
<p>2.  The weaponized anthrax that was released was more sophisticated than anything that had been seen before.  Whoever was behind it knew what they were doing.  Hatfill was–and still is–one of the few people out there who might have been able to pull this off.  He’s either guilty, or multiple people are trying to make it look like he’s guilty.  (I favor the latter choice.)</p>
<p>3.  I thought he lost his job because he had faked his credentials.  That’ll get you burned almost anywhere.  Yes, the heightened scrutiny from this case led to that discovery, but I have little sympathy for someone who sues and tries to argue, “If it wasn’t for you, my wrongdoing would never been caught!”</p>
<p>4.  If I were a jury member on this case, my only question would be whether or not what was printed about Hatfill was accurate.  I’ll assume that the statement that he was being looked at is on the level.  All that’s left is whether or not the bit about the dogs is true.  If it is, then I think he should lose his case.  On the other hand, if it was bullshit, he should win.  I don’t see why we have to breach reporter/source privilege to figure this out.  All we need are the dog handlers.  If they confirm the story, then I really don’t care who the leaker was.  On the other hand, if the dog handlers say, “The dogs didn’t bark,” or “The dogs went nuts at a bunch of different places, not just Hatfill’s,” then the media is guilty of publishing highly prejudicial bullshit, and they should have to pay for it.  I would hope that they would burn their source in the process, but I wouldn’t really care one way or the other.  If you’re going to hang someone out to dry over barking dogs, you’d better be damn sure you got the story right.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this case, the government is siding with the reporter, i.e., the government WANTS the reporter to keep the government source secret.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sometimes the role is reversed, and the government is trying to figure out who the leaker was. This time, the government may well know who the leaker is, and may well have leaked on purpose, but it darn well doesn’t want THAT to come out in Court.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cboldt ya think? (the government leaked on purpose *g*)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In this case, the government is siding with the reporter, i.e., the government WANTS the reporter to keep the government source secret.</p>
<p>Sometimes the role is reversed, and the government is trying to figure out who the leaker was. This time, the government may well know who the leaker is, and may well have leaked on purpose, but it darn well doesn’t want THAT to come out in Court.</p>
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<p>Cboldt ya think? (the government leaked on purpose *g*)</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This opinion was the 5th Circuit’s.  The government chose not to appeal and seek cert. from the Supremes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This was a ridiculous and funny case to me because of the way the 5th circuit law clerk wrote the opinion, (notice the pun), but typically sad because you can extrapolate from this the way trial court judges bend over backwards to give the government whatever they want, even when common sense applied to the facts and the law mandate that they don’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 5th Circuit reversed and acquitted Mr. Rozen not just because their was no direct evidence that he was dealing drugs, and tongue in cheek they invoked the confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution–since the dog was dead, but realistically because he was convicted based on the inference of the bloodhound’s interaction with Clyde’s handler and there was just no direct evidence that Rozen was dealing drugs based on the tracking by the bloodhound.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“The government’s effort to win by a nose does not succeed.”THE COURT: We don’t have communication between a dead dog so I’m going to let it in. 32&lt;br /&gt;
Though successful in this appeal, counsel for appellant undoubtedly will always regret that in this colloquy, now enshrined in the official reports, he overlooked the confrontation clause of the Constitution. 33&lt;br /&gt;
The conviction is REVERSED with directions to enter a judgment of acquittal.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This opinion was the 5th Circuit’s.  The government chose not to appeal and seek cert. from the Supremes.</p>
<p>This was a ridiculous and funny case to me because of the way the 5th circuit law clerk wrote the opinion, (notice the pun), but typically sad because you can extrapolate from this the way trial court judges bend over backwards to give the government whatever they want, even when common sense applied to the facts and the law mandate that they don’t.</p>
<p>The 5th Circuit reversed and acquitted Mr. Rozen not just because their was no direct evidence that he was dealing drugs, and tongue in cheek they invoked the confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution–since the dog was dead, but realistically because he was convicted based on the inference of the bloodhound’s interaction with Clyde’s handler and there was just no direct evidence that Rozen was dealing drugs based on the tracking by the bloodhound.</p>
<p><em>“The government’s effort to win by a nose does not succeed.”THE COURT: We don’t have communication between a dead dog so I’m going to let it in. 32<br />
Though successful in this appeal, counsel for appellant undoubtedly will always regret that in this colloquy, now enshrined in the official reports, he overlooked the confrontation clause of the Constitution. 33<br />
The conviction is REVERSED with directions to enter a judgment of acquittal.<br />
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is my hope that &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) As many reporters as possible and as many news organizations as possible will be forced to pay Dr. Hatfill&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) As many reporters as possible will spend 18 months in Casa BOP in the custody of the people they whored for at DOJ including several Assistant US Attorneys and FBI case agents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope Reggie throws away the key on Ms. USA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/steven_j_hatfill/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;NYT &lt;/em&gt;articles Steven J. Hatfill, M.D. including litigation against &lt;em&gt;NYT&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Did &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;The New York Times&lt;/em&gt; State Secrets to defend themselves in Dr.  Hatfill’s suits?  You just betcha it did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/statesec/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steven J. Hatfill v. The New York Times Company&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/clueless.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clueless Media and Settlements Offered to Dr. Hatfill&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/042561.P.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hatfill Appeallate Opinion I&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my hope that </p>
<p>1) As many reporters as possible and as many news organizations as possible will be forced to pay Dr. Hatfill</p>
<p>2) As many reporters as possible will spend 18 months in Casa BOP in the custody of the people they whored for at DOJ including several Assistant US Attorneys and FBI case agents.</p>
<p>I hope Reggie throws away the key on Ms. USA.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/steven_j_hatfill/index.html" rel="nofollow"><em>NYT </em>articles Steven J. Hatfill, M.D. including litigation against <em>NYT</em></a></strong></p>
<p><em>Did </em><em>The New York Times</em> State Secrets to defend themselves in Dr.  Hatfill’s suits?  You just betcha it did.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/statesec/index.html" rel="nofollow">Steven J. Hatfill v. The New York Times Company</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/clueless.html" rel="nofollow">Clueless Media and Settlements Offered to Dr. Hatfill</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/042561.P.pdf" rel="nofollow">Hatfill Appeallate Opinion I</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so basically, the SCOTUS ruled that you can’t cross examine a dog, so clyde’s testimony was stricken ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Damn, and I thought being a Supreme Court Justice would be kinda boring …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so basically, the SCOTUS ruled that you can’t cross examine a dog, so clyde’s testimony was stricken ???</p>
<p>Damn, and I thought being a Supreme Court Justice would be kinda boring …</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;45 - thanks for the case info.  Is this what they based the movie, Dead Dogs Don’t Sniff on?  *g*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m similarly biased - German Shepherds are my blind spot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45 &#8211; thanks for the case info.  Is this what they based the movie, Dead Dogs Don’t Sniff on?  *g*</p>
<p>I’m similarly biased &#8211; German Shepherds are my blind spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BAE = Frozen Assets&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article3340854.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://business.timesonline.co.....340854.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bandar Bin Sultan, the former Saudi Arabian ambassador to America, has been hit by a court order in effect freezing some of his US assets, as part of a class-action lawsuit over bribery allegations at British defence giant BAE Systems.&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
The lawsuit accuses BAE directors of “intentional, reckless and negligent breaches of their fiduciary duty”.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of which gets me to thinking - maybe a lawsuit against the ATT Directors for the illegal wiretap assistance and some civil fraud allegations for failure to disclose potential liability?  Something to putter around with.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BAE = Frozen Assets</p>
<p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article3340854.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co&#8230;..340854.ece</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bandar Bin Sultan, the former Saudi Arabian ambassador to America, has been hit by a court order in effect freezing some of his US assets, as part of a class-action lawsuit over bribery allegations at British defence giant BAE Systems.<br />
…<br />
The lawsuit accuses BAE directors of “intentional, reckless and negligent breaches of their fiduciary duty”.
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<p>All of which gets me to thinking &#8211; maybe a lawsuit against the ATT Directors for the illegal wiretap assistance and some civil fraud allegations for failure to disclose potential liability?  Something to putter around with.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To be scientific Mary, I’m  emotionally biased, and Bloodhounds may well be in a category of their own.  They’re great dogs, very sweet, but I’m a Basset freak.  To me they are anatomical fashion statements.  I took care of some Bloodhounds for a while, but I didn’t do any serious tracking or training.  They “seem” similar–to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a funny case  in the old 5th Circuit 2 years before the Eleventh split from it in 1981 that reminds me of the goofey DOJ–FBI anD US attorneys were in all probability the leakers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The argument before the panel centered around a bloodhound, and the trial court was reversed and the good ole boy was acquitted. (Rare as hen’s teeth in a blood hound).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://altlaw.org/v1/cases/512043.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;UNITED STATES V ROZEN&lt;/em&gt; 600 F. 2d 494 (CA 5, 1979)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.k9fleck.org/k9dist.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SelectedCases Federal Court Where Deploying Doggies as Agents&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ed Rozen was convicted of possession of marijuana with intent to distribute in the trial court in the Southern District of Georgia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Local law enforcement in South Georgia had people and their trucks under surveillance.  They followed them to a motel in Savannah, and then to a creek area accessed by boat and lost the guys. They then spotted one of the trucks and stopped it and it had 1460 pounds in bales of marijuana in the back.  They later found the other truck with no one in it in the woods,  and it contained 1720 pounds of marijuana.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They promptly summoned &lt;em&gt;Clyde,&lt;/em&gt; who was a well known bloodhound cared for by one of the prisons in Georgia. Clyde circled the truck with grass and no occupant, and followed a scent across a creek, during which time two officers with Clyde had to swim the creek to follow Clyde.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After about 4 hours, Clyde found one of the men and the defendant asleep under a tree. The controversy evolved over which man’s scent Clyde was following or whether Clyde was following two scents at once.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was the government’s case; the only evidence they had on one Ed Rozen was that Clyde found him asleep under a tree after circling the truck.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Appellant’s first, last and only appearance in the wide spectrum of activities was when he was found and arrested. Until that moment no one identified him as in the company of either of his brothers…. No marijuana was found on him, nor any visible evidence of burlap that might have come from coverings of the bales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We do not speculate whether the motion for judgment of acquittal would have to be granted if there had been sufficient evidence tending to show that appellant had been in the GMC. 2 The only evidence even tending to show appellant’s presence in the truck was Clyde’s pursuit of a scent from near the truck to the sleeping brothers. The only connecting factor is Clyde’s nose, and no one can do any more than guess whether Clyde was following the scent of David, the scent of appellant, or the scent of both. In this respect the case is similar to &lt;em&gt;U. S. v. Reyes&lt;/em&gt;s, 595 F.2d 275 (CA5, 1979).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The government would like us to hold that the jury might have inferred that one or more of the defendants pushed bales of marijuana out of the plane and smeared the cabin with pineapple, but there was no direct testimony that Any of them did so, much less that All of them participated. Each of the defendants was entitled to have his guilt or innocence determined as an individual; the government failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that each defendant or any particular defendant participated in any way in the importation scheme beyond being present in the aircraft. 13&lt;br /&gt;
Id., at p. 281. In like manner, a jury could not infer that the scent from the vicinity of the truck to the tree where appellant and his brother were sleeping was the scent of appellant, or the scent of both men, and that it was not the scent of only David. 14&lt;br /&gt;
In addition, Clyde did not pick up the scent from the interior of the truck, or from any item removed from the truck, or even from its exterior. He “cut a tight circle” around the truck, found a scent and followed it. No doubt this is acceptable procedure for tracking down an escapee or fugitive, but it is not enough to support the chain of inferences that the government necessarily would have had the jury draw in this case when the motion for judgment of acquittal was made and denied, and that are argued to us on appeal i. e., that it may be inferred that appellant was a conspirator because he was aware of the presence of the marijuana in the camper body of the truck, and it may be inferred that he was aware because he had been in the truck. A scent picked up at some unspecified point near the truck, even if identified as the scent of appellant, would not permit the inference that appellant had been inside the truck or in any other position where he could see the bales of marijuana within the camper body. 15&lt;br /&gt;
The test of sufficiency is whether the evidence, viewed as we have viewed it in the light most favorable to the government, could be accepted by a reasonably-minded jury as adequate to support a conclusion that appellant was guilty of conspiracy beyond reasonable doubt. U. S. v. Warner, 441 F.2d 821 (CA5), Cert. denied, 404 U.S. 829, 92 S.Ct. 65, 30 L.Ed.2d 58 (1971); U. S. v. Prout, 526 F.2d 380 (CA5, 1976). The evidence does not meet this standard, with respect to whether appellant knew of the conspiracy and, with that knowledge, voluntarily joined in it. 3 The government’s effort to win by a nose does not succeed. Obviously, appellant’s presence was highly suspicious, but this is not a substitute for evidence sufficient to prove beyond reasonable doubt. 16&lt;br /&gt;
Although it is certainly possible maybe even probable that Littrell was involved in the conspiracy, such speculation does not constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and juries “must not be permitted to convict on suspicion and innuendo.” 17&lt;br /&gt;
Littrell, supra, 574 F.2d at 833. If appellant was not a participant in the conspiracy there is no evidence of possession. 18&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If nothing else can be salvaged from this case, testimony concerning Clyde deserves to be perpetuated. After the dog handler described Clyde’s experience and skill this ensued: 19
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;MR. MC ABEE (prosecutor): Your Honor, at this time, I would like to submit to the Court that the testimony concerning Clyde, the bloodhound, entitles him to be considered as an expert in this case. And that the testimony of Mr. Powell concerning Clyde will be used in that light. 20&lt;br /&gt;
MR. ENTIN (defense counsel): Your Honor, I would have to object. I think I ought to have the opportunity to confront and cross examine Clyde. 21&lt;br /&gt;
NOTE: (BRIEF COLLOQUY.) 22&lt;br /&gt;
MR. ENTIN: Your Honor, I think that the witness can testify as to what Clyde did, as to making him an expert in terms of putting him into the mind of an animal, I don’t think we can do that. I think he can testify that he took the dog and the dog led him somewhere, but as to anything else, I really don’t think that that makes him an expert. 23&lt;br /&gt;
THE COURT: The dog or the man? 24&lt;br /&gt;
MR. ENTIN: The dog was an expert, but the man was only carrying his leash. It’s an unusual situation. 25&lt;br /&gt;
THE COURT: Well, I think if you give a full background of the dog’s training and the dog’s ability to smell . . . 26&lt;br /&gt;
MR. MC ABEE: . . . It has happened in the state of Georgia on several occasions where a bloodhound such as Clyde have (sic) been qualified in State Court, sir. 27&lt;br /&gt;
MR. ENTIN: Your Honor, I’m not saying we can’t qualify the dog, we can’t qualify the witness. 28&lt;br /&gt;
MR. MC ABEE: Well, in this particular instance, Your Honor, it’s unlikely, Clyde has since died, I believe, so we don’t have Clyde to bring in before the Court. 29&lt;br /&gt;
THE COURT: I’ll let him testify. 30&lt;br /&gt;
MR. ENTIN: What about the application of the dead man’s rule? 31&lt;br /&gt;
THE COURT: We don’t have communication between a dead dog so I’m going to let it in. 32&lt;br /&gt;
Though successful in this appeal, counsel for appellant undoubtedly will always regret that in this colloquy, now enshrined in the official reports, he overlooked the confrontation clause of the Constitution. 33&lt;br /&gt;
The conviction is REVERSED with directions to enter a judgment of acquittal.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be scientific Mary, I’m  emotionally biased, and Bloodhounds may well be in a category of their own.  They’re great dogs, very sweet, but I’m a Basset freak.  To me they are anatomical fashion statements.  I took care of some Bloodhounds for a while, but I didn’t do any serious tracking or training.  They “seem” similar–to me.</p>
<p>There is a funny case  in the old 5th Circuit 2 years before the Eleventh split from it in 1981 that reminds me of the goofey DOJ–FBI anD US attorneys were in all probability the leakers.</p>
<p>The argument before the panel centered around a bloodhound, and the trial court was reversed and the good ole boy was acquitted. (Rare as hen’s teeth in a blood hound).</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://altlaw.org/v1/cases/512043.txt" rel="nofollow"><em>UNITED STATES V ROZEN</em> 600 F. 2d 494 (CA 5, 1979)</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.k9fleck.org/k9dist.htm" rel="nofollow">SelectedCases Federal Court Where Deploying Doggies as Agents</a></strong></p>
<p>Ed Rozen was convicted of possession of marijuana with intent to distribute in the trial court in the Southern District of Georgia.</p>
<p>Local law enforcement in South Georgia had people and their trucks under surveillance.  They followed them to a motel in Savannah, and then to a creek area accessed by boat and lost the guys. They then spotted one of the trucks and stopped it and it had 1460 pounds in bales of marijuana in the back.  They later found the other truck with no one in it in the woods,  and it contained 1720 pounds of marijuana.</p>
<p>They promptly summoned <em>Clyde,</em> who was a well known bloodhound cared for by one of the prisons in Georgia. Clyde circled the truck with grass and no occupant, and followed a scent across a creek, during which time two officers with Clyde had to swim the creek to follow Clyde.</p>
<p>After about 4 hours, Clyde found one of the men and the defendant asleep under a tree. The controversy evolved over which man’s scent Clyde was following or whether Clyde was following two scents at once.</p>
<p>That was the government’s case; the only evidence they had on one Ed Rozen was that Clyde found him asleep under a tree after circling the truck.</p>
<blockquote><p>Appellant’s first, last and only appearance in the wide spectrum of activities was when he was found and arrested. Until that moment no one identified him as in the company of either of his brothers…. No marijuana was found on him, nor any visible evidence of burlap that might have come from coverings of the bales.</p>
<p>We do not speculate whether the motion for judgment of acquittal would have to be granted if there had been sufficient evidence tending to show that appellant had been in the GMC. 2 The only evidence even tending to show appellant’s presence in the truck was Clyde’s pursuit of a scent from near the truck to the sleeping brothers. The only connecting factor is Clyde’s nose, and no one can do any more than guess whether Clyde was following the scent of David, the scent of appellant, or the scent of both. In this respect the case is similar to <em>U. S. v. Reyes</em>s, 595 F.2d 275 (CA5, 1979).</p>
<p>The government would like us to hold that the jury might have inferred that one or more of the defendants pushed bales of marijuana out of the plane and smeared the cabin with pineapple, but there was no direct testimony that Any of them did so, much less that All of them participated. Each of the defendants was entitled to have his guilt or innocence determined as an individual; the government failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that each defendant or any particular defendant participated in any way in the importation scheme beyond being present in the aircraft. 13<br />
Id., at p. 281. In like manner, a jury could not infer that the scent from the vicinity of the truck to the tree where appellant and his brother were sleeping was the scent of appellant, or the scent of both men, and that it was not the scent of only David. 14<br />
In addition, Clyde did not pick up the scent from the interior of the truck, or from any item removed from the truck, or even from its exterior. He “cut a tight circle” around the truck, found a scent and followed it. No doubt this is acceptable procedure for tracking down an escapee or fugitive, but it is not enough to support the chain of inferences that the government necessarily would have had the jury draw in this case when the motion for judgment of acquittal was made and denied, and that are argued to us on appeal i. e., that it may be inferred that appellant was a conspirator because he was aware of the presence of the marijuana in the camper body of the truck, and it may be inferred that he was aware because he had been in the truck. A scent picked up at some unspecified point near the truck, even if identified as the scent of appellant, would not permit the inference that appellant had been inside the truck or in any other position where he could see the bales of marijuana within the camper body. 15<br />
The test of sufficiency is whether the evidence, viewed as we have viewed it in the light most favorable to the government, could be accepted by a reasonably-minded jury as adequate to support a conclusion that appellant was guilty of conspiracy beyond reasonable doubt. U. S. v. Warner, 441 F.2d 821 (CA5), Cert. denied, 404 U.S. 829, 92 S.Ct. 65, 30 L.Ed.2d 58 (1971); U. S. v. Prout, 526 F.2d 380 (CA5, 1976). The evidence does not meet this standard, with respect to whether appellant knew of the conspiracy and, with that knowledge, voluntarily joined in it. 3 The government’s effort to win by a nose does not succeed. Obviously, appellant’s presence was highly suspicious, but this is not a substitute for evidence sufficient to prove beyond reasonable doubt. 16<br />
Although it is certainly possible maybe even probable that Littrell was involved in the conspiracy, such speculation does not constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and juries “must not be permitted to convict on suspicion and innuendo.” 17<br />
Littrell, supra, 574 F.2d at 833. If appellant was not a participant in the conspiracy there is no evidence of possession. 18</p>
<p>If nothing else can be salvaged from this case, testimony concerning Clyde deserves to be perpetuated. After the dog handler described Clyde’s experience and skill this ensued: 19
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<p><em>MR. MC ABEE (prosecutor): Your Honor, at this time, I would like to submit to the Court that the testimony concerning Clyde, the bloodhound, entitles him to be considered as an expert in this case. And that the testimony of Mr. Powell concerning Clyde will be used in that light. 20<br />
MR. ENTIN (defense counsel): Your Honor, I would have to object. I think I ought to have the opportunity to confront and cross examine Clyde. 21<br />
NOTE: (BRIEF COLLOQUY.) 22<br />
MR. ENTIN: Your Honor, I think that the witness can testify as to what Clyde did, as to making him an expert in terms of putting him into the mind of an animal, I don’t think we can do that. I think he can testify that he took the dog and the dog led him somewhere, but as to anything else, I really don’t think that that makes him an expert. 23<br />
THE COURT: The dog or the man? 24<br />
MR. ENTIN: The dog was an expert, but the man was only carrying his leash. It’s an unusual situation. 25<br />
THE COURT: Well, I think if you give a full background of the dog’s training and the dog’s ability to smell . . . 26<br />
MR. MC ABEE: . . . It has happened in the state of Georgia on several occasions where a bloodhound such as Clyde have (sic) been qualified in State Court, sir. 27<br />
MR. ENTIN: Your Honor, I’m not saying we can’t qualify the dog, we can’t qualify the witness. 28<br />
MR. MC ABEE: Well, in this particular instance, Your Honor, it’s unlikely, Clyde has since died, I believe, so we don’t have Clyde to bring in before the Court. 29<br />
THE COURT: I’ll let him testify. 30<br />
MR. ENTIN: What about the application of the dead man’s rule? 31<br />
THE COURT: We don’t have communication between a dead dog so I’m going to let it in. 32<br />
Though successful in this appeal, counsel for appellant undoubtedly will always regret that in this colloquy, now enshrined in the official reports, he overlooked the confrontation clause of the Constitution. 33<br />
The conviction is REVERSED with directions to enter a judgment of acquittal.</em></p>
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